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moonrockmushy
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#23860843 - 11/23/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: Good morning, Leary Fan.
This is what we were discussing last night, to avoid saying things like this.
It makes complete sense to be honest and passionate, unfortunately we need to censor our wording to avoid comparing kratom to medicine.
I'm going to write up mine this am, but will read what others have submitted first.
I feel like I'm walking on eggshells.
Banana man, are you a reformed opiate user? It seems those who never dabbled in heroin/narcos don't have withdrawal symptoms, whereas people that have either kicked or cross-addicted will experience discontinue symptoms.
I am a pretty long term opiate user and I really get no withdrawal to speak of. Maybe it is just by comparison.
I don't really get high from kratom so I don't redose. If I don't take it 1x/day I kinda get a little restless and the yawns, but no opiate withdrawal. If you asked me to forgo either coffee or kratom in the morning I would have a tough choice, because I would say I am dependent on both the same way.
It's like I can get a "withdrawal" from weed which isn't fun, but it's really nothing. If you actually have something to do you'll hardly notice, and if you are just sitting around crying about it that's really your fault. It's not like, "I'm staying in bed for a week then slowly getting back on my feet over the next month" like opiates are.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23860888 - 11/23/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah as long as i keep busy i dont crave weed that much unless im really bored.
But if im trying to quit weed what really gets me is when you go to bed and its just dark and quiet.
I used to lose my apitite totally without weed but that must have been for some other reason because it doesnt happen anymore. Idk.
Maybe i just had a problem that involved my apetite and didnt notice because i was always high and when i wasnt id blame it on not smoking. Then the problem sorted its self out i geuss. If thats even what happend.
Im more impulsive without weed though thats the biggest thing. I dont think its because ive always been impulsive and weed covers it up because i was never impulsive before i started smoking weed. One of my theories is that there was down regulation of the receptors which are activated by a neurotransmitter that effects self analysis. Thats just a theory though i have no clue. Theee probably isnt even a neurotransmitter that effects self analysis im just making shit up here. The reason i think there is is because tryptamine psychedelics make people reflect on themselves and there are endogenous tryptamine neurotransmitters in humans.
With weed i carefully analyze my past and present behaivior. Sometimes i smoke and realize what a dumbass i was being eariler in the day.
Im pretty sure weed changed my brain to amke me more impulsive. And i used to envy people who could just do things and not care its acctually not that great.
After a few days without weed my memory slowly returns back to normal. Then when i smoke again i forget my thoughts part way through thinking them every 3 minutes and i realize how much it fucks with my memory.
Edited by BANANA.MAN (11/23/16 02:48 PM)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23860975 - 11/23/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I drank bleach every day for 8 years and I quit 2 days ago and am having withdrawals.
(Not really but the point is still that if you do enough of most anything you can have 'withdrawal effects')
But I think body chemistry has more to do with why one has more physical withdrawal vs another. Personality only plays into the mental aspect.
This a thousand times. If someone watches tv 8 hours a day for several years and uses it to pass time and cope with something (say they get fired and would prefer being distracted by greys anatomy) they are going to end up feeling different if you take it away one day.
Why wouldn't they? You're removing a massive portion of what they use to cope as well as taking ay a portion of their identity.
Anything can be used for these purposes, it's an error of the human mind more then the plant or object of their desire.
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birdeatingspider
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23861239 - 11/23/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: Copied from /r/kratom for clarity
Please post your comments!
HOW TO COMMENT (NO-FLUFF VERSION) :
TO SEE COMMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY POSTED, GO HERE : http://bit.ly/2eeaGq0
Go to kratomcomments.org
Fill in your information (if you want to be anonymous, put "anon" in all the fields except phone and zip. Then put 555-555-5555 for your number and use any zip code in your state)
Write a comment from the heart. We simply do not want to use the words "treat", "medicine", or "cure" because substances with those descriptions fall under FDA control. Kratom has NOT been proven to treat or cure anything and it really is not a medicine. So this is just a way of making sure we are being factual in our description.
Preview the comment to make sure all your text is there (50000 character limit!) and submit. You'll get an email in about 24 hours and your comment will post in a day or two.
NOTE : There really is no reason to worry that the DEA will come after you solely based on your comment, and we encourage commenters to at least provide their name or initials. But it is better to comment anonymously than not at all. The DEA must read and consider EVERY COMMENT. So please be original. Form-letter style responses are greatly discouraged by both the DEA and the AKA.
kratomcomments.org is created by the AKA's PR Team and is safe and reliable to use. However, you may go directly to the federal register site and click "Comment now" on the upper right if you want. NOTE THAT YOU MUST GO THERE IF YOU HAVE FILE ATTACHMENTS. https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DEA-2016-0015-0006
To expedite your comment post time, please include the text "Docket No. DEA-442W" at the top of your comment. *
You may make your comment anonymously, though it is preferred to use your name if possible. Using your initials would also be fine, but you still need a valid U.S. address for the comment to be counted. It's unlikely that someone would know it was you or that they would even be able to find you, but you can use initials if you need to. Nothing else about you will show up on the site. kratomcomments.org has instructions for commenting anonymously.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#23861351 - 11/23/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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keep kratom awareness high.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: psilly the kid] 2
#23861986 - 11/23/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS NOW! We have a week to give them hell. THIS WAR IS NOT OVER!! The DEA initially withdrew from placing Kratom as schedule 1. This means.. After this comment period is over, they could reinstate another Scheduling for an alternate Scheduling or even the same one!! Please pass this along and get your comments in and spread this word!!! TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO LEAVE A COMMENT!!!
http://kratomcomments.org/#/5/
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tripp23]
#23862005 - 11/23/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dec 1st is going to bring a lot of changes i'm anxious to see what the outcome will be...anything but schedule 1 is at least a partial victory.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23862097 - 11/23/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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LuSiD enthusiast said:
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Amanita86 said: Maybe you should question your diet. Because in a halthy gut a few grams isnt going to throw anythin out of whack...
...but then again, people eat shit consistently so.
My bet is if people cant figure out a balance diet they'll blame anything... anything to throw the blame away from their lack of responsibility.
A few spoons of krat isnt going to change a thing. But here you go, morbidly obese people blaming genetics, and metabolism... blaming everything but their gluttonly..
What is a normal kratom dose in your book?
A "normal" dose is I fold my library card in a v and scoop a little in the corner, and toss and wash. If I had to guess it would be less than or right about a gram..
Whatever it is though, it works for me, so Im not comparing dicks. That is what works for me. So... all I'm saying is 12 gs would have me puking. But Im far from judging so, whatever works for you, do it.
Either way, its nobodies business but ours. Not a soul on earth has any place telling us what is right for us.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86] 2
#23862804 - 11/24/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just signed it
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: kinggucci]
#23864835 - 11/24/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you guys think its getting banned on dec 1?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#23864899 - 11/24/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone try the two alternatives mentioned in the video? They are two plants...around the 27min mark.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23865032 - 11/25/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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They might pass a ban that goes into effect January 1.
Maybe at least we can get really good kratom deals one last time...
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23865056 - 11/25/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I submitted another letter.
Can anyone give me a TL:DR? I have 185 unread messages in this thread.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: TNK]
#23865202 - 11/25/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dec. 1st to see what happens next
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23865233 - 11/25/16 04:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: They might pass a ban that goes into effect January 1.
Maybe at least we can get really good kratom deals one last time...
better than dec 1.....
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musiclover420
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#23865653 - 11/25/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said:
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CookieCrumbs said: They might pass a ban that goes into effect January 1.
Maybe at least we can get really good kratom deals one last time...
better than dec 1.....
Well their announcement is coming Dec 1st and if they decide to schedule it it will most likely go into effect 1 month from the announcement.
What worries me is if they decide to schedule it again we will see more packages seized and more "rogue cops" going after people. Thankfully until it is scheduled anything like that should be illegal but that didn't stop people last time...
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 3
#23876747 - 11/28/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I doubt they'll announce anything on the 1st. If they do that will basically be an admission that they didn't even bother reading the comments.
I just posted a long thing on facebook asking my friends to all write. I was pretty candid. It will be interesting to see how my family reacts to the revelation that I was smoking heroin and injecting crushed up pills a few months ago.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#23876754 - 11/28/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone got some insider information like before the temporary ban and notice of the September intent to withdrawal?
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musiclover420
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
#23876836 - 11/28/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dr. P. Silocybin said: I doubt they'll announce anything on the 1st. If they do that will basically be an admission that they didn't even bother reading the comments.
I just posted a long thing on facebook asking my friends to all write. I was pretty candid. It will be interesting to see how my family reacts to the revelation that I was smoking heroin and injecting crushed up pills a few months ago.
I bet that took some balls! Good for you though, so much better then them finding out becouse your stealing shit to feed your addiction which is sadly common.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
#23877054 - 11/29/16 01:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't been using for awhile, and I don't plan to again unless I decide life isn't worth living. Then I'll get real heavy into dope. When I was using I didn't steal anything from anyone. I never got too deep into it, but I probably would have if it wasn't for Kratom.
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