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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23858701 - 11/22/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

14 grams is a bit much maybe try extracts


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23858720 - 11/22/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I use kratom for pain management. I dose 3-4 capsules 4-5 times a day. I usually come a little under 12 grams in a day (if I do math correctly). Sometimes I go a little over, just depends on how I feel that day. Some days I don't take half that. My prescription dose is "take as needed for pain." If I do feel I've done too much too often for a while I'll take a break and just deal with said pain.


Extracts don't hold much appeal for me. I like the full alkaloid spectrum.


And I eat flax seeds and have less digestive issues now than before I started taking kratom, FYIs.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #23858730 - 11/22/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If anything, Kratom has improved my digestion.

One thing I've noticed is dehydration associated with Kratom. 

Try drinking extra aqua:shrug:

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23858741 - 11/22/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've had good success with co2 extracts but thats just me.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: psilly the kid] * 1
    #23859002 - 11/22/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The reason the American Kratom Association is advising us not to tell the DEA that we use Kratom as a medicine is because they are financed largely by Kratom distributors who have a vested interest in keeping Kratom completely unscheduled. To these businesses having kratom become schedule 2 or schedule 3 would be just as bad as schedule 1, financially, for them. I too would like to see it remain unscheduled as it has been, but I don't think that is very likely. I think our best hope is to argue that kratom is a great medicine. I appreciate what the AKA has done to help this fight, but I think they're wrong about this strategy. Maybe we should avoid words like "cure," but I don't think it helps our cause to ignore its medicinal value.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #23859328 - 11/23/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe you should question your diet.  Because in a halthy gut a few grams isnt going to throw anythin out of whack...

...but then again, people eat shit consistently so.

My bet is if people cant figure out a balance diet they'll blame anything... anything to throw the blame away from their lack of responsibility.


A few spoons of krat isnt going to change a thing.  But here you go, morbidly obese people blaming genetics, and metabolism... blaming everything but their gluttonly..



What is a normal kratom dose in your book?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23859356 - 11/23/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Too much soluble fiber can cause constipation. I dunno if kratom is soluble or insoluble.

But from what I understand there is also muscle relacing alkaloids in kratom. So that could explain the muscle cramps and it could also play into how your bowels contract.






Im telling you its the opiods. I get hard shits like opiates give. My intestines feel packed with hard shit.

Im sure its the opiods.

Also to the person who said the sweating might be weed withdrawl maybe so but i sweat through my shirt with no kratom amd sweating is a symptom of opiod withdrawl.




Do you dose fairly high/often?  I think there is some withdrawal but it is so slight that it isn't really debilitating in any sense.  I only dose 1x per day and a pretty moderate dose.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23859615 - 11/23/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Too much soluble fiber can cause constipation. I dunno if kratom is soluble or insoluble.

But from what I understand there is also muscle relacing alkaloids in kratom. So that could explain the muscle cramps and it could also play into how your bowels contract.






Im telling you its the opiods. I get hard shits like opiates give. My intestines feel packed with hard shit.

Im sure its the opiods.

Also to the person who said the sweating might be weed withdrawl maybe so but i sweat through my shirt with no kratom amd sweating is a symptom of opiod withdrawl.




Do you dose fairly high/often?  I think there is some withdrawal but it is so slight that it isn't really debilitating in any sense.  I only dose 1x per day and a pretty moderate dose.



I start with around 5-5.5g stright toss amd washee in one go. then i take up to like 6 grams in redoses and sometimes i even try dosing it again after it wears off.

Or ill put like 7 grams in some iced tea and drink it kind of slow. Then ill do a few more grams after i finish the first bottle.

Its definately withdrawl. I cant fuckin shit like no matter how hard i push even though I feel it up there. I feel it trying to move up in my upper abdomin too. Its not debilitating but it isnt pleasent. I have to hold it in for a whole day (maaaaybe i get a little out if im lucky) until the next morning i have to run to the bathroom as soon as I wake up.

The crappy mood is the worst for sure though.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23859636 - 11/23/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't read the thread, so I don't know if this has been posted.  But even if it has, the DEA is soliciting public comments about the ban.  Click here to read more about it and Click here to send the DEA a comment about it.  Please be polite, concise and explain how a ban on Kratom will negatively affect your life.  For instance, you'll have to resort to pain killers and heroin, etc. for your physical pain relief. 













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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Learyfan]
    #23859697 - 11/23/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Good morning, Leary Fan.

This is what we were discussing last night, to avoid saying things like this.

It makes complete sense to be honest and passionate, unfortunately we need to censor our wording to avoid comparing kratom to medicine.

I'm going to write up mine this am, but will read what others have submitted first. 

I feel like I'm walking on eggshells.

Banana man, are you a reformed opiate user?  It seems those who never dabbled in heroin/narcos don't have withdrawal symptoms, whereas people that have either kicked or cross-addicted will experience discontinue symptoms.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23859753 - 11/23/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No ive never been addicted to opiates I just use them recreationally and for pain once in a while.

Moonshoe has never been addicted to opiates and he gets kratom withdrawl also.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23859828 - 11/23/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I never experienced rls until after I kicked.  I know Moonshoe has conquered addiction, perhaps it is related to having an addictive personality :strokebeard:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23859861 - 11/23/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I never experienced rls until after I kicked.  I know Moonshoe has conquered addiction, perhaps it is related to having an addictive personality :strokebeard:



It appears to me that you are still trying to make kratom seem like it has a lower potential for abuse than it really dose.

im sorry to burst your bubble but kratom can cause withdrawl for anyone who uses it enough. Saying it doesnt or it only does in certain cases that is false and harmful information.

You dont need a more addictive than average personality.

Its not only people who have been addicted to things before. It could happen to you or anyone.

For sure some people are more likely to become addicted but that really doesnt mean anything.

And for sure it has a lower potential for sbuse than opiates but it causes physical dependance regardless.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23859919 - 11/23/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When did I insinuate this..?  Just to clarify:

Not denying that it can cause dependence, I said nothing pertaining to such.  Was touching on reasons it may cause more or less withdrawal for some.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23859943 - 11/23/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I dose an eighth to a quarter depending on my goal.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23859945 - 11/23/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I drank bleach every day for 8 years and I quit 2 days ago and am having withdrawals.

(Not really but the point is still that if you do enough of most anything you can have 'withdrawal effects')

But I think body chemistry has more to do with why one has more physical withdrawal vs another. Personality only plays into the mental aspect.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23860182 - 11/23/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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When did I insinuate this..?  Just to clarify:

Not denying that it can cause dependence, I said nothing pertaining to such.  Was touching on reasons it may cause more or less withdrawal for some.



Im just saying it doesnt matter if moonshoe has dealt with addiction. A person who has never been dependant on a drug could become dependant.

Ok it just looked like you were trying to find reasons why its addictive to some but not others. I just want people to know it is addictive for sure and they will get addicted.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23860445 - 11/23/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

half ounce down the hatch.


:dizope:



im suprised its even still legal. i have a great local guy who has good prices,especially for a smoke shop.

whats the status? are they dead set on scheduling it?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23860465 - 11/23/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I want to comment, but I don't want to be on any sort of DEA shit list. If you will refer to my signature: "We grow felonies and are adults here" also refers to yours truly lmao. Do we have to leave our real name?

Yes, modern day America has left me paranoid.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23860477 - 11/23/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have a hiiiiighly addictive nature. The worst of anyone I know, perhaps. Gambling, alcohol, drugs... generally speaking, you name it, I've had a problem with it. Kratom and phenibut, however, I have never experienced withdrawals from, and I can take them or leave them. I used kratom daily for over a year, and then just sort of stopped, unwittingly, at some point when I didn't need a crutch, because my day wasn't so busy.

I think it may have made me a bit sluggish for a couple weeks, but I can't say whether or not that was just me not having an energizer herb, or being below baseline.


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