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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23858194 - 11/22/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Too much soluble fiber can cause constipation. I dunno if kratom is soluble or insoluble.
But from what I understand there is also muscle relacing alkaloids in kratom. So that could explain the muscle cramps and it could also play into how your bowels contract.
Im telling you its the opiods. I get hard shits like opiates give. My intestines feel packed with hard shit.
Im sure its the opiods.
Also to the person who said the sweating might be weed withdrawl maybe so but i sweat through my shirt with no kratom amd sweating is a symptom of opiod withdrawl.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23858268 - 11/22/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh I thought you meant you can't shit in wds. Yeah if it's while you're using it is the opoid aspect.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23858407 - 11/22/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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when i dose i can but later in the day and the day after i cant. the morning of the second day without it i can.
Anyway im going to stop talking about my shit now. I hope you understamd now lol
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
#23858486 - 11/22/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said:
I'm avoiding specific words 'treat', 'cure', 'heal', but you are damn sure I'm going to convey that Kratom offsets the pain and 'allows' me to be a productive member of society.
As the earlier poster mentioned, the reason these terms shouldn't be used is because they have a specific legal/regulatory meaning. Whoever is making the recommendations for the comments should have spent some time reading standard scheduling documents.
Millions of people writing in that they love a compound and that they can't live with out it doesn't exactly help the case for a low abuse potential.
Was this directed at me? You quoted me stating preciously this, to avoid using 'buzzwords' despite their validity.
This isn't a mission to have Kratom approved for medicinal use. It's well understood the impossible hoops this classification would entail traversing.
Alls we were saying is that shirking the fact of the matter and confining our comments to rigid guidelines will result in many not submitting their case. It's a strong possibility in my mind that legally, the AKA must put it out there, but I don't believe it is a promising tactic.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#23858521 - 11/22/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No I don't think this tactic is going to work. I'm telling you it doesn't make sense. Buzzwords or not they're going to schedule it. The only hope I think we do have is getting them to believe there is a medicinal use for it.
Unless I'm missing something that says they don't have to schedule a plant because people don't use it as medicine?
I feel like I'm either being really dense or this whole thing is retarded.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23858527 - 11/22/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think I'm just gonna copy paste geokill's comment and add a little spice or 2 of my own. I don't feel that I'd be following the rules if I actually said anything I wanted to say.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom *DELETED* [Re: birdeatingspider]
#23858552 - 11/22/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post deleted by Amanita86Reason for deletion: Same shit, different day.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23858553 - 11/22/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes you are missing something... You can't just claim that it 'treats', or is a 'medicine', nor can 5-10M people with any greater impact than yourself alone. 'Treats' and 'medicine' are formal words with legal meanings as Badchad pointed out. Something treats an ailment in the US when it successfully goes through a formal, double blind phase III clinical trial and not before that. It does not matter how many people claim that it treats this or that; those claims are anecdotes until they are medically substantiated in a phase III trial. Of course, this will not happen with kratom until a large pharma can extract, purify and most probably alter the chemical constituents of kratom in a non-obvious way that would provide strong patent protection (effectively a monopoly on the sales of).
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
#23858559 - 11/22/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: That's funny as I and others I have seen around here are the opposite, after taking kratom we can't dump becouse its so full of fiber and or constipating.
So I tend to use the bathroom every morning before I take my kratom 
Also about the sweats, you said weed fixes that but are you sure that isn't just "cannabis withdrawals"? I sweat after not smoking personally.
When I stop smoking I usually have a night or two of restless sweaty sleep and even shortly after I stop smoking I tend to get sweaty palms.
But as I smoke my palms don't sweat, it only happens as I start coming down.
I get the tiniest tast of kratom in my mouth and i swear to god it's like a fuckin log is trying to burst through... idk something a log shouldn't fit through
It's like trying to fit a log through "o"< like imagine that was a hole and you had to push a log thr ough. If i didn't have kratom it would be like trying to empty a 2 litre bottle of burning kerosene through that same hole.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#23858562 - 11/22/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Kratom maks you not shit? Thats your diet. Kratom doesnt effect shitting,.
"I drink kratom and cant shit" 
This bullshit feeds the fire. If kratom is the reason you cant shit, mabe you should check your diet.
Either way, most of these outspoken people are doing more harm than good. Goodbye kratom, it was never your fault, it was devil law makers and loud spoken mororns that made you "illegal"...
Im sorry
sorry humans are nit wit dipshits that can't tell their assholes from a hole in the ground.. people are morons.
Once again, "we're all the same"... .
This whole society should just throat fuck a shotgun. Every day I walk outside all I see are maggots, mass fucking kids, and feeling entitled to have their feet licked.
What you people have turned this life into is ..unforgivable. i hope it comes back on you 10 fold..
Bullshit, i don't think I've ever seen a convo about kratom where shit doesn't come up. Maybe one person gets constipated while the other squirts, but it definitely fucks something up in the gut.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
#23858564 - 11/22/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I get that, I get that they are legal words that we don't have backing for, what I don't get is how we plan on battling them if we can't say we've used it as medicine and treatment...?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom *DELETED* [Re: Amanita86]
#23858584 - 11/22/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I may have to call it a night.. was this directed at me? 
No one is attempting to have kratom approved for medicinal use. Was just pointing out how it shouldn't matter if a few specific words are used.
The message is what is compelling, not the words. At least that's how it should be.. talking big picture.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23858591 - 11/22/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong--- I think it is stupid as hell. The situation is, by design of the authorities, almost impossible to argue against. Soft statements might be the best approach.
Things like, 'kratom brightens my day and makes me more productive'. 'I thoroughly enjoy the taste of kratom (ya rignt....!) and the small amount of non-intoxicating relaxation it provides me'. 'Kratom makes me a more productive person'.
Just use your imagination and don't make medical claims.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
#23858607 - 11/22/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do enjoy the taste of kratom tea brewed with coffee though 
Noted. I'll pretend I'm a 15 year old girl that doesn't understand real life.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23858622 - 11/22/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Perfect!
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#23858624 - 11/22/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe you should question your diet. Because in a halthy gut a few grams isnt going to throw anythin out of whack...
...but then again, people eat shit consistently so.
My bet is if people cant figure out a balance diet they'll blame anything... anything to throw the blame away from their lack of responsibility.
A few spoons of krat isnt going to change a thing. But here you go, morbidly obese people blaming genetics, and metabolism... blaming everything but their gluttonly..
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom *DELETED* [Re: birdeatingspider]
#23858664 - 11/22/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: I may have to call it a night.. was this directed at me? 
No one is attempting to have kratom approved for medicinal use. Was just pointing out how it shouldn't matter if a few specific words are used.
The message is what is compelling, not the words. At least that's how it should be.. talking big picture.
No. That was not directed at you.
It was directed at irresposbility as a whole, combined with the way "govt" works as a whole. These ways are trash and peoe think their opinions are going to somehow matter. Treaties mean shit.
Obama for example...lied, broke laws...and it never came back on him. ,
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#23858669 - 11/22/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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... most people do have bad diets yes, but plenty of people eat more than a few grams in a day and kratom IS AN OPOID and it does effect your digestive tract. To say nothing of what eating 12grams of powder a day does to it.
I don't understand why you're so upset about this. You are the one who is misinformed. Just because it doesn't effect everyone doesn't mean it's not a common side effect. Some people also say that kratom does nothing. Are they right and we're all on a placebo high just because that is their experience? No? Alright. Enough people report digestive disruption that it IS a side effect.
I agree it generally can be countered with improvements in diet. But that doesn't ring true for everyone, since everyone reacts a little differently to drugs, and that's not to say that others have a bad diet, probably just that they need a little bit more fiber.
I understand you're angry. I'm fucking pissed off too. But you are directing your anger at the wrong people.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23858682 - 11/22/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're eating 12 grams, ...then thats like comparing someone that takes two shots of whiskey to someonr that drinks a fifth..
Assuming you krat isnt shit, there is no need for a 12 gram dose..
Of course you will see a difference between someone taking a fifth, than you would 2 spoon fulls.. again, gluttony.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#23858687 - 11/22/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean in a day, not a dose. Though some people do dose 12 grams in a sitting. That isn't awfully uncommon for the more frequent recreational users.
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