Home | Community | Message Board

Cannabis Seeds - Original Sensible Seeds
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Kraken Kratom Buy Kratom Powder & Leaf

Jump to first unread post Pages: < First | < Back | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | Next > | Last >
Offlinepsilly the kid
Hedge wizard/ Cultist
Male


Registered: 05/17/16
Posts: 4,615
Loc: Stoprock City
Last seen: 1 year, 3 months
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23849686 - 11/19/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

grrr frackin government always fuckin shut up


--------------------
CA weed @ all times unless specified
currently this high
pebbles suck
its turtles all the way down


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineWu-tang
C20H25N3O
Male


Registered: 10/02/16
Posts: 269
Last seen: 6 years, 7 months
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom *DELETED* [Re: psilly the kid]
    #23852642 - 11/20/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Post deleted by Wu-tang

Reason for deletion: My b



--------------------
400 years ago-The earth is the center of the universe and anyone who says outherwise is a heretic. How dare you claim that the earth is not the center of the universe? Your looking glass your moons around Jupiter and your navigation tables prove nothing. Your heresy is an affront to the church and to God who made the earth the center of the universe.
Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.:callingbullshit:


Edited by Wu-tang (11/20/16 08:26 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleAmanita86
OTD Keymaster
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
    #23852699 - 11/20/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You too much tv..


--------------------
:mushroom2:Orange clock, pencil:bouncysmoke:
"They threw me off the hay truck about noon...":fishing:
:mushroom2:*Mark 15:34:levitate::mushroom2::blueninja:
Gam zeh ya’avor...:sunny:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebirdeatingspider
Stranger in Paradise
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/14
Posts: 2,994
Loc: so many roads
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #23856334 - 11/22/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Copied from /r/kratom for clarity

Please post your comments!



HOW TO COMMENT (NO-FLUFF VERSION) :

TO SEE COMMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY POSTED, GO HERE : http://bit.ly/2eeaGq0

Go to kratomcomments.org

Fill in your information (if you want to be anonymous, put "anon" in all the fields except phone and zip. Then put 555-555-5555 for your number and use any zip code in your state)

Write a comment from the heart. We simply do not want to use the words "treat", "medicine", or "cure" because substances with those descriptions fall under FDA control. Kratom has NOT been proven to treat or cure anything and it really is not a medicine. So this is just a way of making sure we are being factual in our description.

Preview the comment to make sure all your text is there (50000 character limit!) and submit. You'll get an email in about 24 hours and your comment will post in a day or two.

NOTE : There really is no reason to worry that the DEA will come after you solely based on your comment, and we encourage commenters to at least provide their name or initials. But it is better to comment anonymously than not at all. The DEA must read and consider EVERY COMMENT. So please be original. Form-letter style responses are greatly discouraged by both the DEA and the AKA.

kratomcomments.org is created by the AKA's PR Team and is safe and reliable to use. However, you may go directly to the federal register site and click "Comment now" on the upper right if you want. NOTE THAT YOU MUST GO THERE IF YOU HAVE FILE ATTACHMENTS. https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=DEA-2016-0015-0006

To expedite your comment post time, please include the text "Docket No. DEA-442W" at the top of your comment. *


You may make your comment anonymously, though it is preferred to use your name if possible. Using your initials would also be fine, but you still need a valid U.S. address for the comment to be counted. It's unlikely that someone would know it was you or that they would even be able to find you, but you can use initials if you need to. Nothing else about you will show up on the site. kratomcomments.org has instructions for commenting anonymously.


Edited by birdeatingspider (11/22/16 06:16 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCookieCrumbsM
Fucked off to the pub
Female User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/11
Posts: 14,146
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] * 1
    #23856551 - 11/22/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It doesn't make sense. Why argue for kratom legality if it doesn't "treat" anything? it doesn't make sense. HOW do you argue for it without claiming it treats something? It doesn't fucking make sense.


--------------------
          :dancingbear: Free time is the only time :dancingbear:                    :thatsinteresting:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleSpicyWizard
I'm a teapot


Registered: 12/14/15
Posts: 511
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23856725 - 11/22/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

been using dail for about 2 weeks. (about 10 grams at work, dose- 5g twice green borneo/red mix from centennial harvest.)

have not seen or felt any withdrawal symptoms. i think i would've noticed something... i took the weekend and Monday off. honestly not even mentally addicting, just a plus...like coffee WITH a cig. (cig free  years.)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinegeokillsA
∙∙∙∙☼ º¿° ☼∙∙∙∙
Male User Gallery

Registered: 05/08/01
Posts: 23,419
Loc: city of angels Flag
Last seen: 10 hours, 7 minutes
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #23856882 - 11/22/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well here's what I wrote:

Quote:

Kratom and its constituent alkaloids should not be placed into any restrictive drug schedule. This natural plant product should continue to be treated in a similar manner as many existing herbal supplements, allowing adult consumers to make their own choice as to whether or not they wish to ingest this safe and effective dietary supplement. Please accept the findings of the doctors and researchers who have (and barring restrictive legal order will no doubt continue to) produce scientific papers demonstrating that kratom and its alkaloids are safe for human consumption and should not be a Schedule I substance. With an estimated 3-5 million kratom users in the United States, please also consider the billions of dollars in economic impact that would result if this supplement is removed from the marketplace.




--------------------

--------------------
··∙   long live the shroomery  ∙··
...π╥ ╥π...


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCookieCrumbsM
Fucked off to the pub
Female User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/11
Posts: 14,146
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: geokills] * 1
    #23856912 - 11/22/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's good.
But man I still don't like this at all. If they're willing to use poison control calls as a reference to toxicity then I don't think they'll buy "it's safe"


I was going to suggest they regulate it in some other manner. Because it's almost guaranteed they're going to put restrictions on it. And I don't mind that. Most of those hospital visits and poison control calls are from idiot kids.
I'm not sure how to word this though. Especially if I can't say it's an herbal medicine.


--------------------
          :dancingbear: Free time is the only time :dancingbear:                    :thatsinteresting:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBANANA.MAN
Turd Ferguson
Male

Registered: 01/11/15
Posts: 7,474
Loc: Ontario Canada
Last seen: 6 months, 3 days
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23856974 - 11/22/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i recently started getting kratom withdrawl. I get digestive tract issues and pains until the second morning of not taking any. But if i take kratom i can shit. Its only one day of not taking it.

It makes me sweat through my clothes but weed fixes that.

Depression and anxiety.

Mild cravings

Restless leg syndrome.

Sometimes muscle soreness upon waking. but that could be from something else. It seems to line up with when im not on kratom.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebirdeatingspider
Stranger in Paradise
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/14
Posts: 2,994
Loc: so many roads
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23857596 - 11/22/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly Cookie Crumbs, I'm struggling with that, too.  I think too careful wording is why we aren't going to beat this- too many in the same boat.

I'm avoiding specific words 'treat', 'cure', 'heal', but you are damn sure I'm going to convey that Kratom offsets the pain and 'allows' me to be a productive member of society.


--------------------

From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the Universe, and feel
What I can ne’er express, yet cannot all conceal.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCookieCrumbsM
Fucked off to the pub
Female User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/11
Posts: 14,146
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23857630 - 11/22/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I'm slowly getting a better idea of what I'm gonna say. I've written alot of argumentative essays and I've never let concern for someone not liking my point dissuade me from trying to make it. It irritates me, makes me feel like I'm doing a half-ass job.

I suppose I'll start forging a draft this afternoon.


--------------------
          :dancingbear: Free time is the only time :dancingbear:                    :thatsinteresting:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinemusiclover420
psychonaut
Male User Gallery


Registered: 11/06/12
Posts: 19,563
Loc: PNW
Last seen: 2 years, 5 months
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23857649 - 11/22/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's funny as I and others I have seen around here are the opposite, after taking kratom we can't dump becouse its so full of fiber and or constipating.

So I tend to use the bathroom every morning before I take my kratom :lol:

Also about the sweats, you said weed fixes that but are you sure that isn't just "cannabis withdrawals"? I sweat after not smoking personally.

When I stop smoking I usually have a night or two of restless sweaty sleep and even shortly after I stop smoking I tend to get sweaty palms.

But as I smoke my palms don't sweat, it only happens as I start coming down.


--------------------
Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebirdeatingspider
Stranger in Paradise
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/14
Posts: 2,994
Loc: so many roads
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23857709 - 11/22/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The way I see it, as dumb as the DEA is, they're not that dumb.. they have access to Reddit and our forum, they know how it has helped us, and see what we recommend to others.  I highly doubt anything we potentially say will be news to them (oh you mean to say these humans ARE consuming despite the label, this isn't incense??). I would think the overwhelming support for this entheogen would be more helpful than perfect, tactful wording.

It should be a simple as what my multivitamin says on the label: not intended to treat or cure any illness or disease, physician endorsed, not FDA regulated.

It's all politics and semantics IMO, it's going to be a shot to the foot.  I say this with the utmost of respect and gratitude for the AKA and affiliates.


--------------------

From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the Universe, and feel
What I can ne’er express, yet cannot all conceal.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebirdeatingspider
Stranger in Paradise
 User Gallery


Registered: 12/18/14
Posts: 2,994
Loc: so many roads
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23857738 - 11/22/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Haha I have the same bathroom habits:grin:

The only thing that ever helped my rls and clenchy back muscles is quinine.  It's sold as a homeopathic and is safe/worth its weight in gold. 

You could also try sleeping on heating pad, if worse comes to worse, lay on ice pack(brr!).


--------------------

From all I may be, or have been before,
To mingle with the Universe, and feel
What I can ne’er express, yet cannot all conceal.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBANANA.MAN
Turd Ferguson
Male

Registered: 01/11/15
Posts: 7,474
Loc: Ontario Canada
Last seen: 6 months, 3 days
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23857812 - 11/22/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

musiclover420 said:
That's funny as I and others I have seen around here are the opposite, after taking kratom we can't dump becouse its so full of fiber and or constipating.

So I tend to use the bathroom every morning before I take my kratom :lol:

Also about the sweats, you said weed fixes that but are you sure that isn't just "cannabis withdrawals"? I sweat after not smoking personally.

When I stop smoking I usually have a night or two of restless sweaty sleep and even shortly after I stop smoking I tend to get sweaty palms.

But as I smoke my palms don't sweat, it only happens as I start coming down.



Fibre helps you shit. Im 99% sure You get constipated because of the opiods.

I think it helps me shit while im on it because if the fibre and because it stimulated peristalsis in the intestines the same way coffee does. I get the same urgency to shit as coffee alot of the time.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (11/22/16 03:48 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCookieCrumbsM
Fucked off to the pub
Female User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/11
Posts: 14,146
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23857976 - 11/22/16 04:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Too much soluble fiber can cause constipation. I dunno if kratom is soluble or insoluble.

But from what I understand there is also muscle relacing alkaloids in kratom. So that could explain the muscle cramps and it could also play into how your bowels contract.


Quote:

birdeatingspider said:
The way I see it, as dumb as the DEA is, they're not that dumb.. they have access to Reddit and our forum, they know how it has helped us, and see what we recommend to others.  I highly doubt anything we potentially say will be news to them (oh you mean to say these humans ARE consuming despite the label, this isn't incense??). I would think the overwhelming support for this entheogen would be more helpful than perfect, tactful wording.

It should be a simple as what my multivitamin says on the label: not intended to treat or cure any illness or disease, physician endorsed, not FDA regulated.

It's all politics and semantics IMO, it's going to be a shot to the foot.  I say this with the utmost of respect and gratitude for the AKA and affiliates.




Yeah this is how I feel. I know the AKA is getting their advice from lawyers but... Again it's too late to try to not say it's a medicine.

I mean their own methods don't make sense either. Some people think tiger bones are medicine. That doesn't make it a medicine and it doesn't have any medicinal value aside from calcium and placebo. In this there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people claiming it has a medicinal value, which is very easily tested and confirmed, so how the fuck could they not recognize it as a medicine?

Dandelion root isn't recognized as a medicine tho it is used medicinally. And since tigers and people don't die in its regular use it's okay as a pure herbal medicine. Yet it's not recognized as a medicine because no one has been interested in funding extensive research on it so the anecdotal evidence of thousands of people over centuries counts... Only in its use being allowed, but with no sanction.



Ooh no folks this plant makes people happy it must be bad. Does it actually make them happy? high sales and numerous positive reviews says it does. Some people are even replacing MEDICINE and heroin with it. Good god no, it must be terrible then.

...
Fucking bureaucratic idiots.


--------------------
          :dancingbear: Free time is the only time :dancingbear:                    :thatsinteresting:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebadchad
Mad Scientist

Registered: 03/02/05
Posts: 13,372
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23857989 - 11/22/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

birdeatingspider said:

I'm avoiding specific words 'treat', 'cure', 'heal', but you are damn sure I'm going to convey that Kratom offsets the pain and 'allows' me to be a productive member of society.




As the earlier poster mentioned, the reason these terms shouldn't be used is because they have a specific legal/regulatory meaning.  Whoever is making the recommendations for the comments should have spent some time reading standard scheduling documents. 

Millions of people writing in that they love a compound and that they can't live with out it doesn't exactly help the case for a low abuse potential.


--------------------
...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCookieCrumbsM
Fucked off to the pub
Female User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/11
Posts: 14,146
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
    #23858000 - 11/22/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No but... What else are you going to say about it? it's an okay plant that people should be allowed to use when there's loads of evidence all over the internet and likely it's previous comments and letters that people do abuse it and use it to treat this that or another.

They already know? do you guys not remember the DEA spokesman commenting about how he had no idea how many people relied on it a little over a month ago?
Even going as far as to say it SHOULD be recognized as a medicine?

Tbh if everyone did a 180 and said it's just a plain old harmless plant they'd definitely know some shit is up and put it on schedule 1. What reason do they have not to if no one uses it medicinally???


--------------------
          :dancingbear: Free time is the only time :dancingbear:                    :thatsinteresting:


Edited by CookieCrumbs (11/22/16 04:46 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleCookieCrumbsM
Fucked off to the pub
Female User Gallery

Registered: 12/10/11
Posts: 14,146
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23858002 - 11/22/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Basically I don't know what you guys think we will accomplish by not claiming it a medicine.

That they'll just forget about it???


--------------------
          :dancingbear: Free time is the only time :dancingbear:                    :thatsinteresting:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblebadchad
Mad Scientist

Registered: 03/02/05
Posts: 13,372
Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23858024 - 11/22/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Were I advising AKA, I'd tell them to have the public comments supplement the eight factor analysis.  There are plenty of other factors to consider. They're advising against use of certain buzzwords, which is the right call.


--------------------
...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < First | < Back | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 | Next > | Last >

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Capsules   Original Sensible Seeds Autoflowering Cannabis Seeds   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals   Kraken Kratom Buy Kratom Powder & Leaf


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us
( 1 2 all )
Pirate_Patrick 11,528 24 02/05/15 05:45 PM
by Oeric McKenna
* Take Action now! dblaney 1,009 0 07/18/05 08:55 PM
by dblaney
* Forum Rules ThorA 9,709 2 06/20/05 08:26 AM
by Thor
* Medical Marijuana
( 1 2 all )
TheFakeSunRa 8,240 28 07/27/05 03:50 AM
by PreparationH
* Bill to punish Selling of Salvia Libertarian 3,081 18 10/24/05 10:24 PM
by S8N
* President Bush Appoints Drug Warriors To High Administration Positions LSDempire 1,685 4 08/29/05 07:25 AM
by LSDempire
* Do you support the war on drugs?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 all )
LSDempire 22,787 135 12/18/08 02:02 PM
by libertyshroom
* What do YOU do agaist "war on drugs"?
( 1 2 all )
Psiloman 8,722 22 05/21/21 12:31 PM
by data_boop

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Entire Staff
96,356 topic views. 0 members, 0 guests and 0 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.028 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 15 queries.