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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23836614 - 11/15/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't get irritated by surplus nor lack of kratom.. is this in lieu of or after dosing, kenetic?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23836641 - 11/15/16 07:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

For starters, I really like the green and white strains (which are known to be less sedating), and I definitely get irritable a few hours after the peak.  I noticed this usually happens if I dose every day (six grams now) instead of every other day, and only with these vein colors.  It could be just my personality too, I have a ton of stress at work (electrician). 

I haven't experienced any withdrawal symptoms as of yet, but I'm sure they'll appear if I keep using every day.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23836658 - 11/15/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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kenetic said:
Is it just me or does kratom make you extremely irritable from time to time....




For me it is more of a reversion to my usual high strung irritable self rather then the kratom making me that way.

Cannabis does the same thing. Of course if I overuse either I can get a bit extra irritable for a little but once again that is more of just a reversion with the added lack of relief. It isn't much different then not drinking your daily coffee and being irritable. Of course I rarely get it much with cannabis or kratom as they both relax me immensely and as long as I don't over use them I just revert to being less relaxed generally :shrug:

Trying lowering your dose, I find 1-2g of green/white to be my sweet spot. Been doing 1g white borneo and .5g green kapuas in the morning and the opposite at night :kratomtee:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23836696 - 11/15/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It might have to do with lack of quality sleep too, that always seemed to be the case for me when I was on dope.  I would stay up kind of in a trance some of the time but not really sleeping.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23836718 - 11/15/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Try yellow strains (mix white with red) or maeng da.. I'd be curious if that influences your mental state the same way.  That is, if it bothers you to that point.  Are you a smoker by chance?  How about caffeine?

I switched over to exclusively using reds and select greens, I am already stressed out and the more energizing strains exasperated such. 

It's funny but ever since rumors of the ban surfaced I became a daily user(I am backward). Upon reflection I associate it with what happens for hoarders, simar drive.  I am not too concerned with the withdrawal, if and when I discontinue my use it will be through prolonged taper.  I personally feel like I never have issues kicking a habit- it's staying quit that trips me up.  Alas, if kratom succumbs to scheduling my supply will be cut off.. that'll be that, and a very sad day.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23837019 - 11/15/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It might have to do with lack of quality sleep too, that always seemed to be the case for me when I was on dope.  I would stay up kind of in a trance some of the time but not really sleeping.




I get this way with some strains. or high doses. Most benzos do this to me too (which fucking sucks when anxiety is causing insomnia.)


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23838406 - 11/16/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It might have to do with lack of quality sleep too, that always seemed to be the case for me when I was on dope.  I would stay up kind of in a trance some of the time but not really sleeping.



Yeah when i nod off i just space out and time passes quickly but when i snap back its clear i wasnt acctually asleep.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23838500 - 11/16/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I do rarely get bursts of anger or irritation that were formerly uncharacteristic of me. I do think kratom is sometimes part of the cause. Its not a major thing but I have noticed these sort of intense reactions to things that arent that significant.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23838556 - 11/16/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry if I scared you away with my questions, kenetic!:killerrabbit:

Kratom relaxes me, eases the pain, hence it puts me in sometimes -too- good of mood.  When I don't have it all day I can't say I feel any different, just baseline.

I wonder if it's the white/select green strains to hold accountable.. kind of like indica vs. sativa effects ya' know?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23839214 - 11/16/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You didn't lol.

I just started using kratom a few months ago, and the first two weeks or so it was great.  Now, I barely get any effects and certainly none of the uphoria I fell in love with.  Now, sometimes I get a weak nice feeling for an hour or so and then after a couple hours I get pretty irritable for no apparent reason.  The irritability is usually only with the white or green md though.  I don't even really feel any pain relief anymore, either.  Clearly a tolerance issue.

I think I need to just quit for a while and only do it 2 or three times a week, maybe that'll bring back the good feelings.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23839257 - 11/16/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How much do you dose generally? At 2-3g a day I don't notice much if a tolerance.

Every morning I stick with 1-1.5g of white/green and I get pretty steady effects from it.

A break can always help though. Even one day can make "refresh" the effects just like with cannabis.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23839408 - 11/16/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I dose 6 grams of any strain a few hours after I wake up.  I mix with half a water bottle and shake up. 

When I do take a day off, once or twice a week, I don't notice much of a difference.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23839423 - 11/16/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Try taking a longer break and lowering your dose considerably, that may help.

Larger doses could also effect your tolerance differently and taker longer to detox.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23839969 - 11/16/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I do rarely get bursts of anger or irritation that were formerly uncharacteristic of me. I do think kratom is sometimes part of the cause. Its not a major thing but I have noticed these sort of intense reactions to things that arent that significant.



ALRIGHT BOYS!!! WE GOT IT!!

The dea is making headlines today by banning a popular legal high called kratom (imagine the reporter saying Krah-toom [because reporters have to fuck up EVERYTHING]). Users online claim that it acts like a synthetic heroin meth speedball, and induces a rage like trance similar to "pcp", even in seasoned regular users.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23840496 - 11/17/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah a rage like trance that might influence a "user" to do something crazy like fix a burrito and watch a movie..

The DEA needs to get a fuckin real job and stop bothering people that actually get out there and get shit accomplished..  bunch of heavy penned parasites.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #23840510 - 11/17/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh please excuse me while I feed my kid a bunch of amphetamine salts and ritalin because he'd rather play than get force fed algebra and fuckin, home ec.. god forbid he wants to be a kid for a little while.

But kratom is too dangerous for adults.  They can't have that.. they have quotas to meet and are nowhere near responsible enough to handle some tea..

Perfect sense..


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
    #23842427 - 11/17/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Tbh I'd have probably quit my job at the very least without kratom.


Possibly even committed suicide by now. It's the most functional drug (that I'd call a drug) that I've ever had and without it I could not function. Not cuz I'm an addict or someone that's depressed and needs a high to be okay but because my body goddamn sucks and I can't get decent steady painkillers from my doc. Cuz he's part of this stupid 'hurrdurr drugs are bad and if you feel okay for too long you'll be addicted and no longer able to function in society' dipfucks that run the system.


The fucked up thing is if I do go months with unabated pain and tell the douche I'm miserable he happily writes me a prescription for antidepressants and tells me to go to the hospital if I feel like killing myself. Gee thanks doc, always getting to the heart of the matter and giving exceptional advice :cookiemonster:

(No, really, this has actually happened.)


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23842464 - 11/17/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah doctors can be insanely hypocritical... You know if they were prescribing kratom at insane costs they would have no problem recommending you take it even if they know next to nothing about it and even if it actually was as dangerous as the reefer madness 2.0 in the media has been trying to make it out as.. It really is sickening.

You know something is wrong with our society when it costs a fuck ton of money to learn how to heal people and then many doctors end up in a shit ton of debt and essentially have to scam/ pry whatever $ they can from their patients. Maybe I am just crazy but you would think we would want to make it easier for people to become medical professionals so they could actually help people out freely.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23842489 - 11/17/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was reading an article recently about how American healthcare (and doctors themselves) is largely going down the toilet because of bureaucracy and disillusioned doctors who feel as if they live only to make money in the system. Their work does not matter, how many people they cure and their lives do not matter, and their own lives do not matter.

Made me sympathize with them a bit more. I can imagine their job sucks way more than mine does.

Consumerism is fucking all kinds of shit up.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23842539 - 11/17/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah when I got booted out of my doctor's practice for allegedly not taking my medicine even though I was I swore off the scamlords for good.  I'd probably be dead not if not for kratom as well.


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