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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23824681 - 11/12/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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1.Either schedule it as 2
2.Not schedule it at all
3.Or re proposition the temporary ban which would take 30 days again to go into effect from the date of Dec. 1st
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23824846 - 11/12/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Because once the outcry dies down the can quietly start making it schedule 2 with less of a fuss most likely.
I really hope they are actually going to fully back down but we all know that is not what the DEA is known for 
No, they are known for doubling down:
Maybe they are starting to learn their lesson though.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] 1
#23824847 - 11/12/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tdubz said: 1.Either schedule it as 2
2.Not schedule it at all
3.Or re proposition the temporary ban which would take 30 days again to go into effect from the date of Dec. 1st
I'm pretty sure the DEA can't schedule shit. Congress has to do that. The DEA can only do a temporary 'emergency ban', for up to 2 or 3 years, I can't remember.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23825260 - 11/12/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe a few petitions sent to our new incoming President could have some influence.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23825735 - 11/12/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No the DEA does the scheduling not congress. But it is suppose to be with their and the FDAs input. Also a state can of course act independently and do something different than what is under federal law.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] 2
#23826745 - 11/12/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe the DEA cannot unilaterally create drug law, and also enforce it. I believe that can temporarily create an 'emergency' ban, but congress has to actually make it illegal. I know that the recent ban on several "Research Chemicals" came via congressional vote, not the DEA.
Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23826750 - 11/12/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The DEA schedules drugs that are inserted into the scheduling system through congress. The DEA can't ban a chemical on it's own, but it can choose which schedule it belongs to after it has. I think.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: PatrickKn] 1
#23826759 - 11/12/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: The DEA schedules drugs that are inserted into the scheduling system through congress. The DEA can't ban a chemical on it's own, but it can choose which schedule it belongs to after it has. I think.
I think you are correct, which would mean that the DEA can only create an 'emergency temporary ban'. Are they required to give notice when they do that?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
#23826837 - 11/12/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: I think you are correct, which would mean that the DEA can only create an 'emergency temporary ban'. Are they required to give notice when they do that?
I believe that is the case as that is what happened with this ban. Actually I can't remember if it was an "emergency ban" or they just called it a "public health crisis."
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23826898 - 11/12/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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DEA routinely evaluates drugs of concern. They then propose scheduling, submit the proposal to FDA, and its reviewed by the assistant secretary of health, published in the federal register for comment, and substances are subsequently scheduled.
DEA plays a significant role in scheduling, including pharmaceutical drugs.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad] 1
#23827002 - 11/12/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds about right...and yes they would have to redo a new temporary emergency ban which would take another 30 days.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad] 1
#23830272 - 11/13/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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badchad said: DEA routinely evaluates drugs of concern. They then propose scheduling, submit the proposal to FDA, and its reviewed by the assistant secretary of health, published in the federal register for comment, and substances are subsequently scheduled.
DEA plays a significant role in scheduling, including pharmaceutical drugs.
I don't see why the DEA should be in charge of scheduling. Especially when they are the ones enforcing. Seems to me that the FDA should be in charge of this, and the DEA should have nothing to do with it.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] 2
#23832821 - 11/14/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Total conflict of interest, agreed.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 3
#23832863 - 11/14/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the most unethical, malicious form of conflict of interest.
like when they used to pay "witch prickers " who were paid both to identify and execute witches... and paid on a per witch basis.
when the same people who decide who gets thrown in jail also profit from keeping those people in jail, pretty soon everyone is a prisoner.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#23834588 - 11/15/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CALL to ACTION: SEND YOUR COMMENTS TO THE DEA ....before Dec 1st (don't be lazy, like 46% of the population who didn't even vote for President)
ONLY 4,500 comments have been sent so far and the Deadline is 17 days away!?! THIS IS NOT ENOUGH (there were 140,000 people who signed the original petition, but only 4,500 Comments to DEA.. We need to have thousands more than this to make a good case...TAKE ACTION!!!
LINK to the Federal Register site to send in your comments to the DEA https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/10/13/2016-24659/withdrawal-of-notice-of-intent-to-temporarily-place-mitragynine-and-7-hydroxymitragynine-into
The COMMENTS are meant to be Testimonials of why you/we believe that kratom should NOT be regulated like a pharmaceutical and what it has done for you in your life in a positive way.
Suggestions by American Kratom Association on Wording NOT TO USE... DO NOT USE MEDICAL CLAIMS.
Examples of Wording NOT TO USE: (Cured, Treatment, Remedy, Healed, Replaced my prescription medication)...examples below
"Kratom has CURED my depression" "I use Kratom as a TREATMENT for opiate addiction" "Kratom is a wonderful REMEDY for chronic pain" "Kratom has healed my anxiety" "I used to take Norco for my fibromyalgia but I REPLACE it with Kratom" "Kratom has completely replaced all my prescription medications"
GOOD Wording to USE:
" Kratom has helped me maintain an active lifestyle" "Kratom supports my ability to stay clean from opiate drugs" " Kratom has been an amazing tool for combatting feelings of sadness" "Kratom helps me be able to spend more time with my family" "Kratom has improved my quality of life"
Were losing motion. Gotta stir shit up again and leave comments!!!! Light this shyte up and share!!!
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tripp23] 1
#23834619 - 11/15/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, I think this is what the dea intended.
Apathy is what they strive for. Hoping everyone will pass on comments because 'oh I signed the petition and it is enough.'
This is the home stretch guys, it is imperative we remain united and firm in our conviction.
The ball is in OUR court and this is YOUR chance to be heard.
Let's keep it rolling and not abandon our passion just yet.. get your ass up and submit just a few sentences, you can go back to sleep after the deadline.
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CALL to ACTION: SEND YOUR COMMENTS TO THE DEA ....before Dec 1st (don't be lazy, like 46% of the population who didn't even vote for President)
ONLY 4,500 comments have been sent so far and the Deadline is 17 days away!?! THIS IS NOT ENOUGH (there were 140,000 people who signed the original petition, but only 4,500 Comments to DEA.. We need to have thousands more than this to make a good case...TAKE ACTION!!!
LINK to the Federal Register site to send in your comments to the DEA https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/10/13/2016-24659/withdrawal-of-notice-of-intent-to-temporarily-place-mitragynine-and-7-hydroxymitragynine-into
The COMMENTS are meant to be Testimonials of why you/we believe that kratom should NOT be regulated like a pharmaceutical and what it has done for you in your life in a positive way.
Suggestions by American Kratom Association on Wording NOT TO USE... DO NOT USE MEDICAL CLAIMS.
Examples of Wording NOT TO USE: (Cured, Treatment, Remedy, Healed, Replaced my prescription medication)...examples below
"Kratom has CURED my depression" "I use Kratom as a TREATMENT for opiate addiction" "Kratom is a wonderful REMEDY for chronic pain" "Kratom has healed my anxiety" "I used to take Norco for my fibromyalgia but I REPLACE it with Kratom" "Kratom has completely replaced all my prescription medications"
GOOD Wording to USE:
" Kratom has helped me maintain an active lifestyle" "Kratom supports my ability to stay clean from opiate drugs" " Kratom has been an amazing tool for combatting feelings of sadness" "Kratom helps me be able to spend more time with my family" "Kratom has improved my quality of life"
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#23835247 - 11/15/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hate to point out the obvious but ..... Saying the DEA can do this, or cant do that is wishful thinking. They are not well known for following any rules/laws etc that conflict with their agenda .... even rules/laws of their very own.
I strongly agree with the previous posters insistence that the public must maintain constant vigilance and pressure should any resemblance of fairness be applied. Signing a petition and then forgetting about it while believing you did your part is highly optimistic at best and what they want/expect from a public they view as largely unimportant and irrelevant.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Organicanna] 1
#23835755 - 11/15/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think some people are worried about revealing personal information but on the submission there are ways to send it anonymously...so there is no excuse go out and make a comment!
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] 1
#23836556 - 11/15/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it just me or does kratom make you extremely irritable from time to time....
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic] 1
#23836567 - 11/15/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No but opiates did. I don't get any sort of buzz off kratom tho it just makes me yawn less and have a little energy. I think I used to give people shit for making this comparison but it really is pretty much like a cup of coffee for me.
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