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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23742329 - 10/16/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People you are forgetting kratom isn't an opiate, it's a plant with several PARTIAL OPIOID AGANISTS... That is a big difference, humongous when you consider the other 30 alkaloids that moderate its effects.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 1
#23742362 - 10/16/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alot of the pharmaceuticals he compared them to weren't opiates either.
It is an OPIOD though(its actives, at least) and as far as i know, the extent to which Kratom "moderates" its own effects isn't fully understood or even proven.
Correct me if i'm wrong on that.
In any case, i'm all for Kratom and do think it is safer and not as much of a "hard" drug as most other opiods but i believe that is more because of the concentration of alkaloids rather than their properties.
For example if i had one 1mlshot of heroin diluted into a two liter bottle, it'd be safer than a equally potent amount of oxycodone in a 1ml syringe. Not because of the chemical differences but because of the ratio of said chemicals to the material ingested.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
#23742436 - 10/16/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is an OPIOD though(its actives, at least) and as far as i know, the extent to which Kratom "moderates" its own effects isn't fully understood or even proven.
Once again its a PARTIAL OPOIOID AGONIST, meaning it only partially effects certain opioid receptors.
The moderation is fairly well established albeit not scientifically proven.
Here are the main ways it self moderates:
Dose threshold: Many people have stated they have a dosage threshold where taking more doesn't contribute to the effects much if at all. This means for many people there is no reason to dose higher, in fact its more reliable to regularly dose low.
Tolerance: If you eat large amounts trying to "nod off" or get high you are going to quickly build a tolerance preventing you from continuing.
Impossible to OD on: People who eat too much just get nauseous and throw up, this makes it unlikely people will want to eat larger "abusive" doses.
From what I have gathered none of those apply to kratom extracts, people have reported no tolerance roof with extracts. Meaning you can eat large amounts for stronger effects without the moderation of all the alkaloids. This makes it easier to develop a tolerance and or "OD" on and likewise can cause more severe withdrawals according to some.
That is all anecdotal but IMO there is plenty of evidence to back this up from many different peoples experiences
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
#23743924 - 10/16/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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From what I understand it would still be impossible to OD from respiratory effects as the actives in Kratom bind to the opioid receptor sites in a different way than traditional opiates, I'm assuming that would hold true even for the extracts.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#23743945 - 10/16/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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tdubz said: From what I understand it would still be impossible to OD from respiratory effects as the actives in Kratom bind to the opioid receptor sites in a different way than traditional opiates, I'm assuming that would hold true even for the extracts.
That is very possibly true for sure though we will have to wait and see as more research is done hopefully.
The different ways it effects the brain will probably come with a unique set of pros and cons as well though.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23744145 - 10/16/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Everyone is a little different. I do get the bitching headache if I don't have coffee every 24 hours. But again I've never had significant withdrawal from kratom.
Then again I've been drinking coffee for 22 years...
Coffee for the win.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: ferrel_human]
#23744567 - 10/17/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell yeah coffee goes really well with kratom too. Before all my vendors stopped selling leaf I'd brew it in my coffee.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: geokills]
#23745325 - 10/17/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Updates added to the main post:
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Greetings Shroomerites,
As you may be aware, the United States Drug Enforcement Administration announced its intent to place Kratom into the Schedule I category of the Controlled Substances Act at the end of September. Thanks to vocal opposition from many citizens (including many Shroomerites) who signed petitions and contacted their representatives, over 50 members of Congress signed a letter to the DEA requesting in part "to delay a final decision on the placement of Kratom as a schedule I [and to] provide ample time for public comment on this significant decision." Additionally, nearly ten members of the US Senate also issued a letter to the DEA requesting a delay in the scheduling order “to allow both for a public comment period and sufficient time for the DEA to outline its evidentiary standards to the Congress regarding the justification for this proposed action.”
Remarkably, the DEA has subsequently withdrawn their Notice of Intent to schedule Kratom and has opened a public comment period through December 1st. You can read some of the comments people are posting: here.
Please take a moment to explain to the DEA why they should not place Kratom alkaloids into Schedule I.
Following are some ideas of what you may wish to include in your comments:
- I strongly believe that the mitragyna speciosa (Kratom) plant is a useful natural supplement when used responsibly. I have known friends and colleagues who have suffered from prescription opiate addiction, and I have witnessed those same friends and colleagues break their harmful addiction through the measured and responsible use of this natural and unadulterated plant product. Further, I have witnessed friends and colleagues manage pain and anxiety by using this plant, without the aid of more expensive pharmaceutical drugs that carry additional harmful side effects.
- It is absurd to claim that this plant has no medical value, which is precisely the claim made for any substances placed in Schedule I. Our prohibitive drug war policies have served to drive legitimate natural medicines into an uncontrolled underground market where a lack of regulation and violence threaten the safety of honest and hardworking Americans who may benefit from these substances. Members of our society should not be punished for engaging in a personal drug therapy with a natural plant. It is shameful that our DEA continues to pass regulation that increases harm toward so many Americans.
- There is a move right now by the DEA to emergency schedule Kratom, a botanical used safely throughout the world for hundreds of years to improve health and well-being, as a Schedule 1 controlled substance; the most restrictive category claiming no medicinal value. Kratom helped give me my life back and is saving the lives of tens of thousands throughout the U.S. during an opioid epidemic. If the DEA successfully schedules this plant, I will become a felon, further mucking up our already overtaxed criminal justice system, for using something that has been used by humans for thousands of years and has drastically improved my life and the lives of hundreds of thousands of others.
- Since 1980, our federal prison population has exploded by nearly 800 percent. This increase is a result of draconian drug policies that continue to place nonviolent drug offenders behind bars. We should not, in haste and without adequate opportunity for comment and analysis, place substances in categories that may be inconsistent with their medical value and potential for abuse.
Following are some posts that have provided updates on the matter:
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Withdrawal of Notice of Intent to Temporarily Place Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine Into Schedule I A Proposed Rule by the Drug Enforcement Administration on 10/13/2016
AGENCY: Drug Enforcement Administration, Department of Justice.
ACTION: Withdrawal of Notice of Intent; Solicitation of Comments.
SUMMARY:
On August 31, 2016, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) published in the Federal Register a notice of intent to temporarily place mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, which are the main psychoactive constituents of the plant Mitragyna speciosa, also referred to as kratom, into schedule I pursuant to the temporary scheduling provisions of the Controlled Substances Act. Since publishing that notice, DEA has received numerous comments from members of the public challenging the scheduling action and requesting that the agency consider those comments and accompanying information before taking further action. In addition, DEA will receive from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) a scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation for these substances, which DEA previously requested. DEA is therefore taking the following actions: DEA is withdrawing the August 31, 2016 notice of intent; and soliciting comments from the public regarding the scheduling of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine under the Controlled Substances Act.
DATES:
The notice of intent that was published on August 31, 2016 (81 FR 59929) is withdrawn as of October 13, 2016. The comment period will be open until December 1, 2016. All comments for the public record must be submitted electronically or in writing in accordance with the procedures outlined below. Electronic comments must be submitted, and written comments must be postmarked, on or before December 1, 2016. Commenters should be aware that the electronic Federal Docket Management System will not accept comments after 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time on the last day of the comment period. Please note that if you previously submitted a comment via email or regular mail following the August 31, 2016 notice, that comment is being considered by DEA—it is not necessary to resubmit the same comment unless you wish to provide additional information, or you wish to have your comment posted for public view in accordance with the instructions provided below.
ADDRESSES:
To ensure proper handling of comments, please reference “Docket No. DEA-442W” on all correspondence, including any attachments.
- Electronic comments: The Drug Enforcement Administration encourages that all comments be submitted electronically through the Federal eRulemaking Portal, which provides the ability to type short comments directly into the comment field on the Web page or attach a file for lengthier comments. Please go to http://www.regulations.gov and follow the online instructions at that site for submitting comments. Upon completion of your submission, you will receive a Comment Tracking Number for your comment. Please be aware that submitted comments are not instantaneously available for public view on Regulations.gov. If you have received a Comment Tracking Number, your comment has been successfully submitted and there is no need to resubmit the same comment.
- Paper comments: Paper comments that duplicate the electronic submission are not necessary and are discouraged. Should you wish to mail a paper comment in lieu of an electronic comment, it should be sent via regular or express mail to: Drug Enforcement Administration, Attn: DEA Federal Register Representative/ODW, 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia 22152.
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT:
Michael J. Lewis, Diversion Control Division, Drug Enforcement Administration; Mailing Address: 8701 Morrissette Drive, Springfield, Virginia 22152; Telephone: (202) 598-6812.
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: Posting of Public Comments
Please note that all comments received in response to this notice are considered part of the public record. If you previously submitted a comment via email or regular mail following the August 31, 2016 notice, that comment is being considered by DEA—it is not necessary to resubmit the same comment unless you wish to provide additional information, or you wish to have your comment posted for public view in accordance with the instructions provided below.
All comments received in response to this notice of opportunity to comment will, unless reasonable cause is given, be made available by DEA for public inspection online at http://www.regulations.gov. Such information includes personal identifying information (such as your name, address, etc.) voluntarily submitted by the commenter. The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) applies to all comments received. If you want to submit personal identifying information (such as your name, address, etc.) as part of your comment, but do not want it to be made publicly available, you must include the phrase “PERSONAL IDENTIFYING INFORMATION” in the first paragraph of your comment. You must also place all of the personal identifying information you do not want made publicly available in the first paragraph of your comment and identify what information you want redacted.
If you want to submit confidential business information as part of your comment, but do not want it to be made publicly available, you must include the phrase “CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS INFORMATION” in the first paragraph of your comment. You must also prominently identify the confidential business information to be redacted within the comment.
Comments containing personal identifying information and confidential business information identified as directed above will generally be made publicly available in redacted form. If a comment has so much personal identifying information or confidential business information that it cannot be effectively redacted, all or part of that comment may not be made publicly available. Comments posted to http://www.regulations.gov may include any personal identifying information (such as name, address, and phone number) or confidential business information included in the text of your electronic submission that is not identified as directed above as personal or confidential.
Background
Withdrawal of Notice of Intent
The Controlled Substances Act (CSA) contains a temporary scheduling provision, 21 U.S.C. 811(h), pursuant to which the DEA Administrator [1] may temporarily place a substance in schedule I where he finds that doing so is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety. This provision of the CSA requires DEA to publish a notice in the Federal Register of its intent to issue a temporary scheduling order at least 30 days before issuing any such order. DEA published such a notice of intent on August 31, 2016, with respect to mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, which are the main psychoactive constituents of the plant commonly known as kratom. 81 FR 59929.
In response to the notice of intent, DEA received numerous comments from the public on mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, including comments offering their opinions regarding the pharmacological effects of these substances. To allow consideration of these comments, as well as others received on or before December 1, 2016, DEA has decided to withdraw the August 31, 2016 notice of intent published at 81 FR 59929. DEA has also requested that the FDA expedite its scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation for these substances, which DEA previously requested in accordance with 21 U.S.C. 811(b).[2]
Accordingly, the August 31, 2016, notice of intent to temporarily place mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine in schedule I is withdrawn. Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine therefore remain—as has been the case—noncontrolled substances under federal law.[3]
Consideration of Public Comments and FDA's Analysis
With respect to mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, DEA will consider all public comments received under the above procedures, as well as FDA's scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation for these substances. Once DEA has received and considered all of this information, DEA will decide whether to proceed with permanent scheduling of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, or both permanent and temporary scheduling of these substances.
Permanent Scheduling Process: As the CSA provides, if DEA determines that the medical and scientific facts contained in the FDA scheduling evaluation, along with all other relevant data and information, constitute substantial evidence of potential for abuse to support permanent scheduling of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, DEA will publish in the Federal Register a notice of proposed rulemaking, which will give interested members of the public an additional opportunity to submit comments and request a hearing.[4] As provided in 21 U.S.C. 811(a), permanent scheduling rules shall be made on the record after opportunity for a hearing pursuant to the rulemaking procedures prescribed by 5 U.S.C. 553, 556, and 557.
Temporary Scheduling Process: The pendency of permanent scheduling proceedings for a substance does not preclude a simultaneous or subsequent order to temporarily control that substance. If DEA finds in light of FDA's scientific and medical evaluation and after consideration of all public comments and other relevant information that, based on the criteria of section 811(h), temporary placement of mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine in schedule I is necessary to avoid an imminent hazard to the public safety, DEA will follow the statutory procedures for issuing such a temporary scheduling order. As indicated above, before issuing such a temporary scheduling order, DEA would be required to publish in the Federal Register a new notice of intent.
Dated: October 6, 2016.
Chuck Rosenberg,
Acting Administrator
[see main post for older transcripts]
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: geokills]
#23745349 - 10/17/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Submitted my comment... hope you guys do as well, remember to be articulate and sincere in how it has helped you while outlining the positives of the plant over synthetic opioids. Proper grammar and paragraphs would be a good idea, some of the comments I've read so far have been typed fairly poorly.
Edited by tdubz (10/17/16 12:00 PM)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#23746062 - 10/17/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hope everybody that is able will take the time to make a comment. I suggest that we word our comments very carefully. If you slip up and give an inch, they will twist your words and take a mile. I think within your comment, there should be commentary about kratom being recommended in medical journals and medical research being conducted. That alone would make the schedule one bullshit. We need to slam them on this being all about big pharma. It is not a secret and they know it! Also, pharmaceutical companies are currently working on synthetics of the main alkaloids within kratom. So, you mean to tell me it holds no medical value, but you're trying to synthesize it? I believe there should also be commentary about the possibility of the FDA getting involved. The FDA is just as big of a joke as the DEA. Currently, the FDA has approved 44 brands of cigarettes, and approve alcohol. Which is fucking ridiculous considering how both of them kill hundreds of thousands of people each year. But it's all good as long as you have the surgeon general slap a warning sticker on?
I think the legal defense that AKA is great, but I think we should take one for the team and brush up on the law. Doing so, we would be able to provide great comments that the people reviewing will respect, and also would prevent us from making comments that could be misconstrued and sound incriminating against kratom and it's users.
I think that real life experiences need to be given more than opinions on what kratom is. At the end of the day, we just don't know. And that's what this is all about. What is it, what does it do, what are the effects, what's short/long term effects, etc. I don't believe that we should be giving opinions on any of that or speak for the public. Instead, we should speak of what WE know as an INDIVIDUAL. This is why I take it, this is what it does for me, this is the positive benefit I have gotten from this, this is the direction my life would take if you ban it, etc. Stick to the facts about YOU.
Any data that is out there for research that has been conducted, try talking about that too (if you know all the facts). Anything that might give the reviewer the impression that the DEA is double standard, big pharma is behind this, the FDA has approved much, much worse, and this is why it is good for THE PEOPLE.
At the end of the day, I guess what I'm trying to say is, draft your letter in a professional manner, have it come from the heart, and cause the reviewer to look at the people (and kratom) in a more credible manner then they see the DEA.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
#23746413 - 10/17/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is the comment period limited to American Input or can Canadians submit comments as well?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
#23746874 - 10/17/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Is the comment period limited to American Input or can Canadians submit comments as well?
I am proud of you all for winning us the chance to be heard.
Now let them hear you roar!
I'm sure it only applies to Americans, but a little influence from outside citizens would never hurt I imagine lol. The shit is legal in Canada as far as I know. I have heard that they attempted to get rid of tinctures and capsules because those are obvious indicators of human consumption.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
#23753339 - 10/19/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it's still legal here in Canada. And currently no proposals for a ban. I think it's harder to just emergency schedule shit here too, but I don't really know the rules. Going to have to check into that.
Atleast you guys are getting somewhere, as I said befoer, things are looking much better than they were a month ago stay positive USA kratom users!! Keep fighting the good fight
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: sh4d0ws]
#23753386 - 10/19/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no good fight. No such thing. Just a fight. If you get lucky you knock out the adversary in a couple seconds. Most of the time there is blood involved.
Stay out of the lime light. And do what you do. Always keep doing the same thing and keep it consistent. Stay low. Out of sight. And strike without warning. But then retreat back in the shadows and walk amongst the rest as if nothing happened. Ninja style man.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: ferrel_human]
#23756548 - 10/20/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hope you guys are commenting there are already over 500 comments... https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=DEA-2016-0015-0006
Edited by tdubz (10/20/16 11:44 PM)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: ferrel_human]
#23757001 - 10/21/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: There is no good fight. No such thing. Just a fight. If you get lucky you knock out the adversary in a couple seconds. Most of the time there is blood involved.
Stay out of the lime light. And do what you do. Always keep doing the same thing and keep it consistent. Stay low. Out of sight. And strike without warning. But then retreat back in the shadows and walk amongst the rest as if nothing happened. Ninja style man.
The good fight is the one you face with courage. The one you fight skillfully in a way that reflects your training. A fight that you survive, and grow from.
The good fight is the one that protects the innocent, opposes evil and injustice, and tests and refines your character.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#23757003 - 10/21/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Non-citizens can definitely leave comments. You can put whatever name you want and the only verification is an email address. Super easy
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
#23757254 - 10/21/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK well mine will be the best of all the comments and when they read it the DEA will weep and throw themselves from the rooftops
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
#23757683 - 10/21/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Their job depends on keeping as many drugs as possible illegal. I mean, what would happen if they just went around willy nilly legalizing stuff?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: ferrel_human]
#23757690 - 10/21/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They don't need to legalize kratom it was already legal
The dea has over extended their reach and overplayed their hand .
Now we need to call their bluff.
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