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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23738384 - 10/14/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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BANANA.MAN said: If kratom doesnt get you high then neither does oral oxycodone (it obviously does). Its bullshit i totally feel opiated on kratom if i take enough. Like 5 grams and im totally high. Its very clear minded and not very in your face but its totally a high imo.
Like you said it effects the brain differently though and isn't as intoxicating/ debilitating.
And its really only a strong high at larger more "abusive" doses so to say, people using it medicinally might only get a nice mood boost.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
#23738391 - 10/14/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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well 5mg of oxycodone orally will releive pain but not really get you high. So its the exact same thing. You can be responsible and take it as medicine or you can get high. The ppssibility is there with both drugs.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23739916 - 10/15/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use it for energy during the day at work.I used to take morphine sulphate for the same reasons for about two years......detoxing from that is infitely worse than anything kratom does when stopping.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom *DELETED* [Re: SizlChest]
#23740090 - 10/15/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post deleted by Wu-tangReason for deletion: I read they might not ban it
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
#23741492 - 10/16/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What is a DEA?????????
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Spanishfly]
#23741534 - 10/16/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The USA are moving forward in order to legalize drugs. Have a look at Colorado and Wahsington.
I dont understand that. They put a ban on Cannabis for ages and in all of a sudden two states legalize it.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Canon]
#23741578 - 10/16/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Canon said: The USA are moving forward in order to legalize drugs. Have a look at Colorado and Wahsington.
I dont understand that. They put a ban on Cannabis for ages and in all of a sudden two states legalize it.
Actually 5 have legalized it
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: ferrel_human]
#23741784 - 10/16/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who drew the pic in your sig?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
#23741798 - 10/16/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
#23741822 - 10/16/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apostle said: Who drew the pic in your sig?
My little girl.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
#23741850 - 10/16/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wu-tang said: . It's sickening they are trying to ban it because it's way better than the opioids they keep pushing (fetnal codeine morphine OxyContin) but all that shit is actually shit
You realize that you are saying that the opiods in kratom are somehow better than the other opiods without giving any reason as to why.
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7-Hydroxymitragynine is a partial agonist at the μ-opioid receptor[3] with a potency, calculated using pD (2) values, that is 30-fold higher than that of mitragynine and 17-fold higher than that of morphine, respectively.[4]
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
#23741871 - 10/16/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah there is mad prejudice like that among drug users. People will take shrooms but not LSD even though they are both 5-HT2a receptor agonists.
There is alot of that when it comes to opiods. People will snort OC then act like they are such a good person because they would never touch heroin. And heroin addicrs are dumb junkies im just railing this strong opiod atleast its not heroin. And this also happens with kratom.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
#23741921 - 10/16/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well kratom is better than pharmaceutical opiates because it's safer. All those other ones have killed many people while kratom has killed very few people if any.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom *DELETED* [Re: Apostle]
#23741953 - 10/16/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
#23741957 - 10/16/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Well kratom is better than pharmaceutical opiates because it's safer. All those other ones have killed many people while kratom has killed very few people if any.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur] 1
#23741972 - 10/16/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always kinda am put off by people saying that kratom is no more addictive than coffee. I've been a coffee drinker my whole life and never felt addicted, but I need to take kratom when I wake up or I have a shitty day. Maybe that is just residual opiate withdrawal that kratom is covering up, but even though parallels can be drawn between kratom and coffee I think the level of addictiveness is less with coffee by far.
Not saying kratom is super addictive, but in a relative sense.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23741985 - 10/16/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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im pretty set into a cycle of doing 5-7g every 12 hours
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23741986 - 10/16/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Many People do get fairly significant withdrawal from coffee.
It's not uncommon for people to get bad headaches and even migraines from coffee withdrawal.
Migraines are no joke and generally worse than any of the symptoms of kratom withdrawal.
Kratom is addictive and does cause withdrawal as well though.
Make no mistake the longer you use the worse the WD eventually Is.
I get moderately bad withdrawal from kratom now .
Nasty insomnia and RLS.
Both coffee and kratom can have moderate WD.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
#23742183 - 10/16/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wu-tang said:
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Apostle said:
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Wu-tang said: . It's sickening they are trying to ban it because it's way better than the opioids they keep pushing (fetnal codeine morphine OxyContin) but all that shit is actually shit
You realize that you are saying that the opiods in kratom are somehow better than the other opiods without giving any reason as to why.
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7-Hydroxymitragynine is a partial agonist at the μ-opioid receptor[3] with a potency, calculated using pD (2) values, that is 30-fold higher than that of mitragynine and 17-fold higher than that of morphine, respectively.[4]
The kratom alkaloids are far less addictive than the real opioids. It hardly has any withdrawal effects its about as addictive as coffee.
but that isn't true at all...
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
#23742229 - 10/16/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everyone is a little different. I do get the bitching headache if I don't have coffee every 24 hours. But again I've never had significant withdrawal from kratom.
Then again I've been drinking coffee for 22 years...
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