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OfflineConnoisseur

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Canon]
    #23736049 - 10/14/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the world may never know...

i just separated 150g from my stash today to save for when im finally running out


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23736108 - 10/14/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've been steadily buying the shit since I heard about kratom (from this sticky lol), and considering 3.5 grams a day is what I've been using I think I'm good for years


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23736246 - 10/14/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Evidently kratom is very stable if stored properly, I have read about people finding some they put back 10 years ago and it was still good.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23736581 - 10/14/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Everything is always still good.

I ate some carrion I found by the highway and it was at least as good as fresh  carrion


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23736638 - 10/14/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I ate among shoe once

It tasted like CRAP


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23736649 - 10/14/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never eat among shoe bro


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23736660 - 10/14/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck that was spell correct at its worst

I meant I ate a moons shoe once***


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23736705 - 10/14/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Never eat my shoes bro


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23737132 - 10/14/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

ca:

kratom


my dealer, headshop, gave me alot less than i usually get. it was a differnt tenant so im pretty bummed.

Last week i got 70 grams for 11 bucks.  just now i bought 50 grams for 20. it was supposed to be two ounces. so now im not only no longer getting hooked up, i was actually shorted.


i'd be even more upset but the guy let me try a shot of his liquid kratom extract that he claimed was equivalent to 7grams so that sort of offset the loss a tiny bit.

it does seem to be doing the trick since i took far less that my usual dose

so

CA
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1 kratom liquid shot


11 grams or red/white mix


thinking of taking more.



this was supposed to last me a week, and at the amount i used to get it wouldve, and now i don't know if it will even last past tommorow.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
    #23737136 - 10/14/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wait wait wait. You shot the liquid as in injected it? I doubt thats what you meant but ive never heard of a kratom shot.

Oh and this isnt wca btw.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (10/14/16 01:41 PM)


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
    #23737148 - 10/14/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Which shot was it?

The OPMS brand is pretty good.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23737186 - 10/14/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the place i go to makes their own extracts of all different sorts and supposedly has a really good chemist.


it was like the color of kratom tea but not as foul tasting and was still bitter in a good way.


he had it in a 2 liter coke bottle so i don't think it was opms =P

i like that brand though, never had their shots.


@banana man, i didn't inject it, i meant like a shot glass(though a bit bigger) i have entertained the idea of injecting the actives of kratom and probably would if i could get them in pure form


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle]
    #23737207 - 10/14/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ive seen mitragynine listed on a research chemical vendor website.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23737217 - 10/14/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

yea me too but i cant take the dive for 50 or so bucks because that's alot of money to a poor dude like myself and there are drugs available for less that i know for a fact will work


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Apostle] * 2
    #23737232 - 10/14/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, so here is how I think things are going to unfold.

As you know, the DEA has now passed the buck to the FDA and opened up the process for public comment.

Public comment will consist of people saying "Kratom treats my pain, opiate withdrawal, depression, anxiety, PTSD etc".

Of course, these are claims related to a compound treating medical ailments. As such, they are medical claims.

In order for the FDA to support/allow medical claims to be made, or allow products to be sold that purport to treat medical illness, they must first be proven true in human clinical studies (usually very large studies).

As such (can you see it....) the DEA is asking the public to make all sort of medical claims about why kratom should not be prohibited and the FDA will say 'these claims can not be supported without clinical trials to support them, and as such, kratom must be scheduled'.

This is an impressive rouse that the requlators have orchestrated--effectively allowing the public to hang themselves. You know the saying--- 'Give someone enough rope...'


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #23737243 - 10/14/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe we shouldnt have just dropped the aromatherapy rouse quite yet.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23737296 - 10/14/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Everything is always still good.

I ate some carrion I found by the highway and it was at least as good as fresh  carrion




I ate some pussy I found in a dumpster and it was the best pussy I ate in a while.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #23737475 - 10/14/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

BANANA.MAN said:
Maybe we shouldnt have just dropped the aromatherapy rouse quite yet.




No. This is corrupt. The government should stop trying to control medicinal herbs. It's one thing to say the isolated compounds are dangerous and illegal. It's another to say the plant itself is when they always do because modern medicine for some reason requires isolation to be considered medicine.

It's wrong. And I know I'm not the only one who's sick of it.


Why are herbs the alternative medicine when they have existed thousands of years before laboratory made drugs? You'd think that alone would mean many of them are better known and understood than half the shit the FDA approves only to go "uh oh" when they realize it causes renial failure 20 years later.

Fuck em. The laws need to change. American healthcare needs to change. They can piss off. No more hiding and pretending and trying to find the loop holes like the corrupted bastards they feed.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23737483 - 10/14/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Amen sister!


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23737493 - 10/14/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sadly though it is still a solid point. The AKA is releasing an official strategy guide which will probably involve being very careful of claims made.

If too many people talk about how great it is for them to ingest that gives them reason to ban it until research has been done into its medicinal effects.

Now that the FDA will be leading things with its research it is crucial people don't make claims that will have to be backed up by them.


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