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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Crystal G]
#23691698 - 09/29/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: What we need to do is stage a riot. Fuck all this civil nonsense
You never fight from the outside, you strike from within and level the place tactically. The only way people like us will make a substantial change, is to be on the inside.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Crystal G]
#23691710 - 09/29/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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We will never be able to shut down the DEA by rioting. If it were possible, it probably would have already happened. Now, if we could convince the government that the war on drugs is a failure, which is already coming around, and that with the war on drugs being a failure, that the DEA is ineffective and a waste of money, then maybe we could get its funding pulled. Rioting over drugs is just gonna make their dicks harder.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno] 5
#23691720 - 09/29/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rioting
That'd be pretty effective at scaring the general public into thinking that kratom makes people turn into raging savages.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enlil]
#23691767 - 09/29/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep. Riots haven't exactly worked well in the past, unless the goal of the riot is to get blasted with fire hoses and tear gas.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno]
#23691817 - 09/29/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: Yep. Riots haven't exactly worked well in the past, unless the goal of the riot is to get blasted with fire hoses and tear gas.
And god forbid if you are black and rioted. I sure wouldn't want to be standing next to you.
Again, I think education - and internal destruction is the best method. Look how far we have come with cannabis. We can't be lied to with pamphlets and a D.A.R.E. class in elementary school any longer.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Crystal G]
#23692096 - 09/29/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I'm serious. We are never going to change anything by doing everything on paper by the book. Don't you get it, if voting really did change anything, they would never allow us to do it.
We need to have a revolution, we need to revolt, only then will our demands be taken seriously.
Ey I agree we need a revolution. The shitbags need to be thrown out. But even if we redid preeeeetty much everything in government eventually more shitbags would get in. The economic societal model needs to be completely redone to remove shitbags everywhere and motivate miserable people to contribute to society and feel like they can actually do something. As things stand those in power have more incentive to be a shitbag. There's actually not many people who can't be particularly bought out. Even with there just being misinformation and pressure from those that is enough to sway people who really do what to do what's best for the people.
Government isn't going to change, people aren't going to change, society isn't going to change until arbitrary currency and profiteering is no longer the primary incentive for most anything.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23692342 - 09/29/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha. I just got a call from the Democratic Party tonight, and when they asked if I would be supporting Michelle Lujan-Grisham for congress, I said I would be voting for her, but I was very disappointed that she did not sign the Pocan/Salmon letter. I have no idea why she didn't but now she's getting some direct feedback for not signing it.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno] 3
#23692629 - 09/29/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should have said you weren't voting for her, specifically because of her decision
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: sh4d0ws]
#23692917 - 09/30/16 03:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's what I would have done
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
#23693047 - 09/30/16 05:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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it's the 30th and the ban is delayed. why can't I buy some more kratom? Everyone is sold out or not selling, and I want another kilo
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
#23693110 - 09/30/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban September 29, 2016 By Pat Anson, Editor
A spokesman for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration says there is no timetable yet for kratom to be formally classified as a Schedule I controlled substance – a move that would make the sale and possession of the herb a felony.
Under an emergency scheduling order published in the Federal Register last month, the DEA could schedule kratom as an illegal drug as early as Friday, September 30. But that appears to be increasingly unlikely.
“I don’t have a timetable. It could be this week, could be in the future, I just don’t know,” DEA spokesman Rusty Payne told Pain News Network.
Since the DEA announced its plans on August 30, online kratom suppliers have hurriedly shipped orders to deplete their inventory and tens of thousands of consumers have stocked up on the herb, which many use to treat chronic pain and other medical conditions. An unprecedented grassroots lobbying campaign was also launched to get the DEA to reverse or postpone its decision. Over 135,000 people signed a petition asking the Obama administration to stop the DEA, and hundreds of kratom supporters rallied in front of the White House.
A bipartisan group of congressmen in the House also signed a joint letter asking the agency to delay the scheduling of kratom to allow for public comment.
Now a second letter to the DEA is circulating in the U.S. Senate that calls the scheduling of kratom “unprecedented for a natural substance” and urges a delay.
The letter was drafted by Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the powerful chair of the Senate Finance Committee, who has long maintained an interest in supporting the dietary supplement industry.
All of this has apparently made the DEA think twice about scheduling kratom, at least for the time being.
“What we’re hearing from the DEA today is that it’s not going to happen tomorrow (Friday), but that it’s still going to happen,” said Susan Ash, founder of the American Kratom Association, a consumer group that promotes the use of kratom for medical reasons.
“I’m hoping and praying for some kind of negotiation or compromise. But it sounds like the DEA has dug in because they’re trying to save face. The level of calls that they are receiving and the level of complaints there are receiving is nothing like ever before. We are not a bunch a bunch of drugged out people. If we were, we wouldn’t be on the phone to DEA, congress people and our senators pleading with them to step in and get a delay.”
Acting on the advice of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the DEA moved to classify kratom as a Schedule I substance – alongside heroin, LSD and marijuana – without any public notice or comment. The DEA maintains that kratom, which comes from the leaves of a tree that grows in Southeast Asia, poses “an imminent hazard to public safety” and has been linked to several deaths.
However, in a survey of over 6,000 kratom consumers by Pain News Network and the American Kratom Association, 98 percent said kratom was not a harmful or dangerous substance and 95% said banning the herb will have a harmful effect on society. The vast majority said they use the herb in teas and supplements to treat chronic pain, anxiety, depression, addiction or other medical issues. And many say they will continue using kratom even it is scheduled as a controlled substance.
“We need to be very careful about what we put into Schedule I, especially with limited data. I think that’s a huge mistake,” says John Burke, president of Pharmaceutical Diversion Education, which educates law enforcement and healthcare professionals about prescription drug abuse and diversion.
“What if it’s a legitimate drug that can help people? And now we’re going to make criminals out of them. I just think it’s awfully fast. I would hope that if it is Schedule I that it is given a huge window of research and experimentation. To me, if 6,000 people say it’s helping me, that tells me there’s a promise there and we ought to be exploiting it.”
If and when kratom is turned into a controlled substance, it will fall in line behind a long list of illegal drugs the DEA is already struggling – some would say failing -- to control.
“Our priorities would not change. Anybody that’s in violation of the CSA (Controlled Substance Act) runs the risk of arrest and prosecution,” says DEA spokesman Rusty Payne. “That said, right now our biggest problem is the opioid epidemic; fentanyl, heroin, prescription drugs, fentanyl compounds from China, designer synthetic drugs. That’s the biggest priority right now that we’re dealing with.”
http://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/9/29/dea-no-timetable-for-kratom-ban
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#23693164 - 09/30/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks for the update and source
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: sh4d0ws]
#23693291 - 09/30/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: You should have said you weren't voting for her, specifically because of her decision
No way dude. Her opponent is a major piece of shit and I do not want him anywhere near the US House of Representatives. Besides, she's done a good job on other things. Her failure to sign the Pocan/Salmon letter deserves negative feedback, but definitely not withholding my vote.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno]
#23693305 - 09/30/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If politicians can say one thing and do another I don't see why we can't.
If your comment actually does get written down it'll probably be a footnote she glances over. You're voting for her, that's all that matters. If like half of the people still voting for her complained about it she might pay attention. But you're comment is like one of those little suggestion notes. You basically said "well I don't like how you cook your cheeseburgers but I'll still eat here." unless everyone complains about the cheeseburgers, or they're losing business because of it, no one is going to care.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23693316 - 09/30/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well it's too late for congress to do anything about it anyway, now the pressure is on the senate, and I already called both my US senators. My hatred of trump-esque "make America great by getting rid of regulation and cutting taxes for the wealthy" ideals far outweighs my disappointment in my congresswoman for not fighting for kratom.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno] 1
#23693381 - 09/30/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's fair and I understand. I was just saying. Most business, politics included, is trained to behave like children. They don't change their actions unless there is the threat of consequences. That's exactly why the democratic and republic parties are so full of the sort of people that push up questionable candidates. They're pretty certain that, while they lose a few elections here and there, the severe lack of competition means they'll still get into office in many places and in one cycle or the next. They don't really have to face the consequences of running a poor campaign or being caught in a lie on an individual basis. The pool is so diluted they are bound to win, one year or another, multiple offices at a time.
The democratic and republican parties are such massive powerhouses that they really don't need to listen to the public. They just need to pretend to. Who holds them accountable to their action? We do, in theory, but that doesn't mean there's any real consequences if we feel we don't really have a choice.
Which it sounds like that's what you're doing. You're settling for what you would think may be better than the worst outcome. (Not saying your senator is a bad choice, it's just the principles. You can't even threaten to take your vote elsewhere.) Imo that's really sad for a country that calls itself the land of the free and claims power to the people.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23693400 - 09/30/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree completely. Even though every politician gets approval ratings and I just gave her a bad one, approval ratings really don't mean shit. The only reason I'm a registered democrat and not an independent is that I like being able to vote in the primaries, but both parties have really pissed me off lately. And yeah it does suck that I can't take my vote elsewhere because there isn't a better alternative.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno] 2
#23693415 - 09/30/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You didn't give her a rating. She hired a company to call and solicit votes. That company doesn't go back and tell her when people have complaints. They make thousands of calls a day. They don't take notes.
All you did was vent. Hopefully, you feel better because of it. If not, it was a complete waste of time.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enlil]
#23693593 - 09/30/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You didn't give her a rating. She hired a company to call and solicit votes. That company doesn't go back and tell her when people have complaints. They make thousands of calls a day. They don't take notes.
All you did was vent. Hopefully, you feel better because of it. If not, it was a complete waste of time.
This was a call from the Democratic Party though and not from a private campaign company. I didn't directly give her a rating like with a proper approval poll, but I'm hoping the message will get passed on. If the congresswoman is personally told that a constituent is disappointed in her because she didn't sign the letter, then I'll have gotten what I wanted. I worked for the Democratic Party on the Kerry campaign in '04 and still keep in contact with them, and I know for a fact this was not just from some random call center because of what my caller ID said. I'm not ruling out the chance that the person I talked to was bullshitting when she said she would pass the message along, but I can only hope, and yes, I do feel better after venting
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno]
#23693597 - 09/30/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: I do feel better after venting
That's all that matters.
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