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Space Coast Slayer
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First time grower facing a decision
#23667646 - 09/22/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is my friend's situation..
7 days ago he inoculated 4 quart jars of rye berries with 2.5 cc each spore solution via syringe.. The spores in the syringe were somewhat clumpy but he agitated the water in the syringe plenty beforehand.. After inoculation he pulled the plunger from the syringe and observed a few remaining drops of water that were deep purple/black in color..
7 days after inoculation he has observed no mycelial development thus far in the jars which are kept in a house that stays around 75-77 degrees.. He is worried those few black drops left behind in the syringe were the spores, perhaps the needle got blocked during inoculation. Common sense tells him that the spores are microscopic and odds are a few HAD to make it in the jars..
The decision he is faced with is whether or not to re-inoculate the jars as he has one more syringe of spore solution.. His concerns with this option is that the substrate was prepared 10 days ago and he is not sure if it has lost too much moisture to be effectively colonized.. Is my friend perhaps being too impatient and should keep waiting for signs of mycelium or should he make an executive decision and re-inoculate? He is not concerned about crossing strains as any spore prints he may create would be for his own personal studying..
My friend is a first time grower but studied the process and techniques for months before his first attempt.. He would just like some input on this situation from some seasoned cultivators.. Thank you for any help you can send his way!!
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spores are microscopic and odds are a few hundreds of thousands of them HAD to make it in the jars..
Yes you should keep waiting sometimes it takes longer than that and sometimes shorter.
Did you inoculate near the glass, or near the center of the jars?
If you have more syringes why not also get them going? I would. But I wouldn't use substrate that has been sitting around for 10 days since it surely has lost both moisture and nutrients.
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It takes more than a week for spores to germinate a lot of times, so I wouldn't worry yet. It's okay to say it's your grow too. Law enforcement isn't going to come after a first time grower with a couple MS grain jars, and we don't have any rules about "self incrimination" here. If you're really worried about that just post from behind a VPN or something.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: NumeroEno]
#23667677 - 09/22/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Click the link titled "an abundance of spores" in my signature.
Spores definitely ended up in those jars. Now you just wait.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Greg]
#23668113 - 09/22/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tira said: spores are microscopic and odds are a few hundreds of thousands of them HAD to make it in the jars..
Yes you should keep waiting sometimes it takes longer than that and sometimes shorter.
Did you inoculate near the glass, or near the center of the jars?
If you have more syringes why not also get them going? I would. But I wouldn't use substrate that has been sitting around for 10 days since it surely has lost both moisture and nutrients.
I inoculated through a self healing injection port about an inch off center of the lid and then shook the jars per the teks
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You should wait another week. Some syringes have bacteria and that will make shooting them straight into grain jars problematic but it can be done. Spores can take up to 3 weeks to germinate.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: NumeroEno]
#23668304 - 09/22/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tira has the point, your jars are FULL of spores. During my first grow I had similar issue. Its worth saying that i used wheat as a substrate. Anyway, I could see the first signs of mycelium around the end of the 2nd week or even later, its hard to recall. Make sure your jars are in complete darkness, do not look at them more often than once in 2-3 days, although you will be dying to know how the process is going. Ensure that the temperature is right, 75-77F is on the lower side and this might delay the propagation and development of mycelium by a factor of many times!
I noticed that the cubes incubate the quickest at around 85F (29-30C). Well thermally insulated incubation box with terrarium heating pad ($7) and programmable thermostat ($20) are hardly a luxury . Just take a cardboard or a plastic box (or several of them, placed one into another), put inside the box(es) the pad and attach thermostat sensor to the pad with a duct tape, wrap your jars in old t-shirts and cover everything with more shirts and a lid. That never failed me.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Rhiozan]
#23668467 - 09/22/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Space Coast Slayer said: I inoculated through a self healing injection port about an inch off center of the lid and then shook the jars per the teks
You shouldn't shake grains after multispore inoculation. Spores need to pair to germinate, so what you did just threw them around and seperated them. You want all your spores in one place so they can germinate easily, then you shake at around 30% colonization.
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Rhiozan said: Make sure your jars are in complete darkness, do not look at them more often than once in 2-3 days, although you will be dying to know how the process is going.
That darkness through colonization idea is outdated, you don't need total darkness during colonization.
And you don't need an incubator or a cardboard box, they'll colonize fine at room temp.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Tira]
#23668581 - 09/22/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just did some research and it seems there is some discrepancies as to whether you should shake, or inoculate it like a brf jar, hitting 4 sides and the middle with no shake, at the most a roll of the jar.. The many teks I read and the videos I watched did advise to shake though..
But even with shaking, you would figure that the chances are in your favor that spores would still find a pair..
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You don't need to hit 4 sides as you will shake at 30% colonization, breaking and distributing the mycelium.
But putting all your spores in one place will increase the chances of them easily germinating. Why shake and decrease your chances? There is no benefit in doing that.
Shaking is beneficial after you inoculate with live culture (LC, agar, g2g), but not after multispore.
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Edited by Tira (09/22/16 04:06 PM)
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Tira]
#23668663 - 09/22/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the insight everyone.. Just gonna wait it out and see how it shakes out, no pun intended..
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Space Coast Slayer said: Just gonna wait it out and see how it shakes out, no pun intended..
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btw I just remembered that same thing happened to me when I first tried grains. I did oats and shook right after inoculation just like you. Didn't see any growth for about a month and was about to toss them when I decided to shake them and wait for another week or so. It actually worked, the mycelium started to grow but oats were too dry by then, so myc just dried after a few days.
So you could try shaking them again if you still see no growth a few days later.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Tira]
#23672570 - 09/23/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Small update- Yesterday about the time I posted this, my a/c went out.. I'm from Florida and even though it's officially fall, it's still peak of summer hot here.. The house quickly got up to 85 degrees and stayed there more or less until today at about 7pm.. Checked the jars a few minutes ago and have a lot of growth popping up.. Looks like myc to me but very early to tell..
Noticed some condensation on the inside of the jar in the top above the rye where there wasn't any before, so hopefully the spike in heat kicked off the spores and not some form of contamination.. Only time will tell..
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Good to hear. Hope it's myc. Take pictures and upload as it grows.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Tira]
#23673318 - 09/24/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Space Coast Slayer said: I inoculated through a self healing injection port about an inch off center of the lid and then shook the jars per the teks
You shouldn't shake grains after multispore inoculation. Spores need to pair to germinate, so what you did just threw them around and seperated them. You want all your spores in one place so they can germinate easily, then you shake at around 30% colonization.
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Rhiozan said: Make sure your jars are in complete darkness, do not look at them more often than once in 2-3 days, although you will be dying to know how the process is going.
That darkness through colonization idea is outdated, you don't need total darkness during colonization.
And you don't need an incubator or a cardboard box, they'll colonize fine at room temp.
^ This, also good link Greg Here's another link to put spores into perspective https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21365919/fpart/1/vc/1 2.5 CC's is way overkill and with syringes less is more, syringes aren't clean the more you use the bigger the chance of introducing contams into each jar. Honestly you should get into agar, ensures you have a clean culture and you can do countless grows from one drop of a syringe.
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Space Coast Slayer said: Thanks for the insight everyone.. Just gonna wait it out and see how it shakes out, no pun intended..
You can't go out of your way to make a pun and then say no pun intended... bad form..
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Inocuole]
#23673750 - 09/24/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Technically that's a double entendre and not a pun 
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: NumeroEno]
#23674251 - 09/24/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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1 cc or less per quart (2.5 cc per quart is overkill). Never shake spores to grain, shake at ~30% colonization. Consider agar in the future, 1 drop is all you need to create lots of healthy myc to inoculate with. Plenty of spores made it into the jars, no doubt about it. It can take 2 weeks for spores to show, but I see you have some growth so congrats! Post some pics and we can tell you if things are progressing in the right direction or not. Best of luck!
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: omgwtfstfu]
#23676526 - 09/25/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not sure how to upload more than one pic at a time
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^ this one here has a spot in the bottom of the jar that looks a little strange.. Can't tell if its a contamination or a busted grain.. Seems like shaking these jars in the beginning really beats the grains up.. Won't make that mistake again.. Thanks yall..
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Last pic that slimy grain looks bacterial.
and about uploading pics:
https://www.shroomery.org/5286/How-do-I-put-pictures-in-my-post
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Tira]
#23676700 - 09/25/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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2.5cc for grain inoculation, yikes! It's unadvised to even use MS to noc up grains, but if you do, you want to use the least amount of solution as possible...probably like .5cc.
I suggest you start working with agar, as you may see contam'd jars here soon. With the extra moisture that you put in the jar with 2.5cc, also the fact that you don't know for sure that the syringe is clean, and any bacteria that could have remained in your grains after prep, there is a moderate probability. At least when working with agar, you can spot any bacterial spots, you can transfer until it's perfectly clean, and drop a whole wedge inside your jar via "tiger drop". All while maintaining the original moisture content inside of your jars.
Good luck though, I hope you see growth soon.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: just_curious]
#23676722 - 09/25/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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who uploads to photobucket anymore?? geezzz just upload to shroomery most people dont click outside links.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: mushboy]
#23677802 - 09/25/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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None of those are working correctly.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Inocuole]
#23677961 - 09/25/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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FTFY
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Space Coast Slayer said: I inoculated through a self healing injection port about an inch off center of the lid and then shook the jars per the teks
WOAAAAAAH! You forgot to say "my friend"! YOU'RE GONNA GET BUSTED!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! YOU'RE DOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: herrenvolk]
#23678244 - 09/25/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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He stopped doing that a while back. That reminds me. My dog needs to check on the tubs she's growing.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: NumeroEno]
#23678452 - 09/25/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to see growth as soon as possible, as you are injecting the MS into the jar, tilt the jar at a 45 degree angle so the needle is pointing directly at the glass. As the spores/liquid are aspirated out of the needle they will hit the glass and run down the sides. Dont shake your grain after inoculation. If you do this you will see the spores growing up the side of the jar. Remember if you shoot your MS load down the middle of the jar, its all colonizing in the middle of the jar and can be very hard to see.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Mush Freak]
#23678873 - 09/26/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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when you shake after inoculating, it spreads the spores out more, decreasing the probability they will find a suitable "mate". It looks like your grains are prepped well and your myc looks ok (from what I can see, except that last pic doesn't look promising). Give it like 4 more days and take more pics. My GT and TC grew so s l o w.....
P.S. I live in your area, just be glad your a/c didn't go out in June when we had that heat wave.
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Yeah that last pic I wouldn't trust. Already looking bacterial on the bottom.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: herrenvolk]
#23679428 - 09/26/16 10:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Space Coast Slayer said: I inoculated through a self healing injection port about an inch off center of the lid and then shook the jars per the teks
WOAAAAAAH! You forgot to say "my friend"! YOU'RE GONNA GET BUSTED!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! YOU'RE DOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2 of my jars are doing great from what my untrained eye can tell but two of them are languishing behind..
The two that are doing well have colonized 30-40% of what I can see against the glass but not in one spot.. That's around the entire outside of the jar.. So there's no telling how much has colonized within where I can't see.. It's all tomentose growth with no rhizomorphic growth that I can see, not sure if that makes a diff..
Should I go ahead and give those two a shake anyway even though they might be past 30%? Are there any complications that may arise from not shaking? I've seen arguements for both, but most eventually concur on the shake..
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Yes shake around 30%, I'd shake the other ones too but that's just me.
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The two good jars look like this on all sides

The two lagging jars are displaying about 10% colonization against the glass.. Why would they lag behind in the same conditions as the good ones? Only logical answer is contamination, no?
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I had 9 jars, all inoculated at the same time. Each one finished at a different time. Contam, genetics, too wet, too dry...... Could be a host of different reasons. As long as they look healthy with no odd colors, slime or cottonball like growth, it should be ok. Multispore syringes...... Now we know why the successful growers here do MS->grow->clone with agar->and isolate.
Edit: the growth could also be in the center and just showing a little on the glass
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Just had a quick question.. Do you guys think one 6500k cfl bulb is enough light for two trays in this 106 quart SGFC? Seems like it illuminates it well upon testing..
Edit: I know it looks like Stevie Wonder laid out my grid for the holes
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Edited by Space Coast Slayer (10/03/16 04:24 PM)
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thats a big ass sgfc,
and yes. plenty of light!
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: mushboy]
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just realized,trays in a sgfc? ive done it but with much taller chambers.
you'll need about 2inches of perlite 2-3inches of spawn/sub in a tray 4-8inches for mushies...
looks like you might run out of room.
ive been doing trays in mono tubs. im diggin it.
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: mushboy]
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Yeah its a little big but its perfect size to hold two trays.. Im colonizing rye berries and plan to spawn to manure based substrate using the trays pictured...
Can you fruit a tray in a SGFC? I naturally assumed yes but did not think to ask someone who actually knows wtf they are doing..
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: mushboy]
#23704244 - 10/03/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: just realized,trays in a sgfc? ive done it but with much taller chambers.
you'll need about 2inches of perlite 2-3inches of spawn/sub in a tray 4-8inches for mushies...
looks like you might run out of room.
ive been doing trays in mono tubs. im diggin it.
I gotcha.. The chamber is 13" tall... 2" of perlite plus 3" deep trays leaves 8"... Hopefully it will suffice.. Thanks for the insight sir..
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I fruited 2 trays of 1:1 spawn/hpoo/CVG in a sgfc. I didn't like the results. It worked mind you, but not as well as I would have liked. I also used 5"s of perlite in the chamber.
My myc developed a matted layer film on the top that pins had a hard time getting through. I'm pretty sure it was environmental as they haven't contamed yet. With the central air/RH in the room at 76degrees/50% conditions were "optimal" but something was still wrong.
Everyone's conditions are different and that something you need to watch for. I was told by a couple of vets here to learn to "read" the myc and It was sound advice so I'll suggest the same.
My mini dub tub worked awesome, I only have about 10 fruits to let mature and then I'll be on my 3rd flush.
My 72 quart mono, I gave to nature in the back yard. It turns out that I put all my eggs in one basket and 1 of the 5 quarts used had bad spawn. I know this because when I mixed, i layed out a pattern like a 5 on a die. 1 in each corner and 1 in the middle. I mixed each section and cover with a thin case of the substrate (outdated tek). I let colonize and then fruited. Under close examination I found what looked like bright white beach sand in the center. I brought it outside and the next day the white sand was green. Bullet dodged, I know I'll get a ton of fruits from it anyway lol
Use Saran Wrap on your trays and poke your holes and cover with micropore. We all want to look and if it's covered with foil you can't see. If someone with more experience could chime in on this---> I'd like to suggest using a sprinkle of vermiculite as a casing so it's easier to tell when your tray needs a mist. You would add the verm when you are ready to fruit after full colonization. Only reason why I suggest this is because I had no idea what my myc was asking for and I don't want that to happen to you.
If you're interested in trying a dub tub with one of your trays instead of both in the sgfc, I used the shoebox dub tub tech. A member here created it and posted it elsewhere. I did not use it for anything other than how to make the dub tub. https://mycotek.org/index.php?threads/the-shoebox-tek-a-work-in-progress.991/. Again this dub tub did awesome, enough fruit to last one or two people a years worth of "experience". And still producing.
I don't know if the addy is allowed to be posted or not so if it's not someone let me know.
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Starting to look like my grow may become compromised anyway.. As I'm sure you've seen being that we're in the same area this storm looks like it's gonna skirt us good which almost guarantees being without power..


This will mean no a/c, so the house will be a toasty 86 degrees or higher... I'm almost ready to spawn to bulk but would my trays contaminate under real nasty warm conditions like that? I'm not trying to jump the gun but it's looking like a strong possibility for some 100mph+ winds and that will knock power out for days if not weeks.. Kind of apprehensive about spawning while we are staring down the barrel of this thing..
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Meh, if it's gonna contaminate, it's because of the spawn. It's not great conditions. I would skip the hpoo and just use the pasteurized CVG to feel better about it. I read a guy here took his lizards used coir off the terrarium floor, covered in shit,piss and old food and spawned to bulk with it and it didn't contam. Just used sterile techniques like Lysol the shit out of the room, use a mask,gloves and alcohol.
I wouldn't worry too much about if you had to throw it in a shady spot outside. I pulled about 60 fruits off the stuff I threw outside so far. lol it works well in our climate.
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Thanks for all the advice
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No prob, keep us updated.
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Is it just me or do those "trays" look more like tubs?
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Inocuole]
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Tub lids? The latch handles make me think lids
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Ah nvm I see how they are now. Still though.. that shit is covering up most of the surface area in that SGFC. How's the perlite gonna work when >80% of it is covered up?
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Inocuole]
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Should he fruit in a mono instead? It looks like he would have enough sub to have decent rh in a mono no?
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I would if I was working with that substrate volume..
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Re: First time grower facing a decision [Re: Inocuole]
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Well shit.. Do yall think I should do a monotub instead? The SGFC chamber was only 10 bucks so if it doesn't get used its not the end of the world.. I just figured trays would give me more control rather than putting all my eggs in one basket so to speak but i'm definitely open to suggestions.. As long as it's somewhat noob friendly..
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I have two jars at this level.. The other two were real sluggish and I seperated them from the two good ones last week.. Today I had to dump one.. Green mold.. The self healing injection port sure looked like it didn't heal very well..
What exactly does full colonization of rye look like? Does it have to be frosty white on the entire outside? Thanks yall..
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I would take incuole's advice. I didn't enjoy more control in the sgfc, too much margin for error being a novice grower with trays. Go with the mono. Wally World is a fuckin zoo with the hurricane but if you can, bring your trays and see if they fit in a slightly smaller tub. Drill your 2 1" holes on each long side low and 1 1" hole on each short side as high as you can under the latch. Stuff the bottoms tight with poly and the tops stuff loose when they are fully colonized and ready to fruit.
That jar looks ok, a little bacterial. I think the uncolonized grain up against the glass is the indicator of that. Don't panic about the bacteria, you should still get fruits. You will know it was bacterial when it's 100% colonized and you hit the jar on something soft but firm to break it up to spawn to bulk. If the clumps don't break up fairly easily, that's the bacteria.
It will be fully colonized when all the grains are white. Don't worry about the center too much either. Since you shook the jar already, you created more spots for the myc to grow onto and the middle "should" be the same as the visible grain.
Edit: I just reread, and forgot a question you asked. You can still use the trays but IN a mono tub instead of a sgfc. I wasn't sure if I made that clear. This way they are still separate, even though the eggs are still just in a larger basket.
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Well I think this project has officially went to shit lol... Looks like we'll be taking a direct hit from a category 4 hurricane.. Losing power is now the least of my concerns, now just hoping that the roof don't get ripped off.. Gonna be real fun friday afternoon with 140mph winds slapping the shit out of us lol..I've been through a few hurricanes but this one is packing a serious punch.. I'd imagine once these jars sit around at 86-88 degrees for a while they will be toast huh? Oh well, if my house is still standing I'll try again sometime down the road...

Check out the crazy skull shape from yesterday as it hit Haiti.. Sick! If we all survive this bitch they need to put this on a shirt lol..

PortabellaFella are you riding it out or evacuating?
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I have two jars at this What exactly does full colonization of rye look like? Does it have to be frosty white on the entire outside? Thanks yall..
Can't show ya rye but here is one of fully colonized whole oats. This jar was never shaken not once.
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Don't dispair yet, you never know what will happen.
lol I'm in the same spot
That skull radar looks s scary as fuck
You I'm riding this bitch out, shutters are up generator is ready and I got food for a month.
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Yeah it's gonna get pretty crazy. I'm about 5 miles in from the river which, I guess is a little less dangerous lol
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