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    #23667364 - 09/22/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Greetings,
          For the past Four months I have been microdosing mushroom material.  following Dr. Fadiman's recommendation I take between 0.1-0.2 g of dried material, powdered and capsuled for convenience. At first there ws the concern that it would be to 'trippy' an effect. This is not the case. The experience can be described as a more natural feeling anti depressant. On a daily level my mood improves, social anxiety decreases and I am noticeably more friendly. On several occasions I have had people recognize that I seemed to be in a better mood than normal. It also becomes easier to live in the moment and focus.

In the longer term I have noticed that my mood has stabilized improving my overall quality of life. I have made new friends and progress in areas that I had been stalling in for months.

Since you take it every 4th dayI don't think that it works in the same way a traditional anti depressant would where it builds up in the body to increase seritonin levels. Instead I think that it chemical effects only last the day you take it. However those days tend to be more positive and productive. I beleive that these 'good days' build up as a pattern to change your overall perspective.

Posting this here for anyone who has any questions for me, to talk to others who microdose regularly.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23667385 - 09/22/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome, I've been interested in microdosing shrooms. How long have you been doing it for? And you only have to take it every four days? Do you know what happens if you take it everyday?


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Kinshino]
    #23667429 - 09/22/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you know what happens if you take it everyday?


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even better I assume

If I had the supply I would microdose shrooms or mescalin every day


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Re: Microdosing [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23667753 - 09/22/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think you are supposed to micro dose everyday. I've read that it's not as effective and ultimately a waste of mushies or LSD.

I've been microdosing quite a bit lately and it's been great. Mixed with exercise, good diet and meditation I've seen some great results from taking .2 - .3 every third or fourth day


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23667770 - 09/22/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What time of day do you take your dose?
I started almost a month ago, first dose was in the morning which made me feel emotional,spacey, and sleepy. I switched to a smaller dose at bedtime, every 3rd day. However, I feel I may be missing out on some benefits by being asleep for the first 8 hours.
I'm doing 0.2-0.3g every third day. I think I'll try 0.2 in the morning this weekend when I have no other obligations.
Results a bit inconclusive so far, but I think it's doing me some good. A bit more motivation, like actually cooking myself good food rather than eating pre-made junk. Also I haven't touched cannabis in almost a month, which was one of my reasons for microdosing :thumbup:


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Re: Microdosing [Re: subject 13]
    #23667852 - 09/22/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If it was making you spacey maybe try .1 the next morning you dose. My buddy only does .1 whereas I like .2 to .3 in the morning. It gives me a lot of energy when I take it in the a.m.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23668227 - 09/22/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The body becomes used to psilocin and you have to double up the next day to get the same effect.  Thus you need to do it every 4 days so you get the most out of it.

I am beginning this tomorrow.  Time for a new start.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Edmunter]
    #23673370 - 09/24/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry for taking so long tor reply school and work are killer this semester

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Kinshino said:
Awesome, I've been interested in microdosing shrooms. How long have you been doing it for? And you only have to take it every four days? Do you know what happens if you take it everyday?




Glad to see that you're interested! I have been doing so for the past four months to great effect. To answer your next quetion no, you do not take it every four days but every fourth day. That is one day on two days off. For example if I took it Monday I would again take it on Thursday. The reason one spaces the doses out is that psilocybin builds a tolerance quickly. If you took it every day than the dose would quickly become ineffective. 

Keep in mind the whole point is to take sub-perceptual amounts. You do not trip. As a 200 lb male I take between .1 and .2 grams.


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subject 13 said:
What time of day do you take your dose?
I started almost a month ago, first dose was in the morning which made me feel emotional,spacey, and sleepy. I switched to a smaller dose at bedtime, every 3rd day. However, I feel I may be missing out on some benefits by being asleep for the first 8 hours.
I'm doing 0.2-0.3g every third day. I think I'll try 0.2 in the morning this weekend when I have no other obligations.
Results a bit inconclusive so far, but I think it's doing me some good. A bit more motivation, like actually cooking myself good food rather than eating pre-made junk. Also I haven't touched cannabis in almost a month, which was one of my reasons for microdosing :thumbup:




I take it mid to late morning. Taking it before bed is something I can not recommend for the following reasons: 1) At this level there is often a boost of energy which may make it hard to sleep, 2) increased levels of serotonin in the brain has been associated with lower quality sleep (less REM), and 3) it is my belief that the goal of microdosing is to acheive the clarity, focus, emotional well being, and state of mind it provides. If one were able to sleep on it you would most definitely be missing out.

The first few times I took it the state felt weird. just like getting used to any medication. That weirdness went away. However If it keeps causing you to feel spacy or emotional I would recommend lowering your dose to .1 or .2 at the highest.

Can't wait to hear about your results!




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Edmunter said:
The body becomes used to psilocin and you have to double up the next day to get the same effect.  Thus you need to do it every 4 days so you get the most out of it.

I am beginning this tomorrow.  Time for a new start.




Good luck with your new endeavor! Please share with us on this thread how it works out for you. I am always interested in more subjective data!!


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23674389 - 09/24/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, in my experience (not only), microdosing doesn't lead to tolerance. On the contrary, microdosing weakens your psychological defences, and same dose may act stronger.

Also, I have had positive experience of microdosing every day for 1-2 weeks. There is a point where it's comfortable, and you feel the effect, but don't get 'overloaded' (some adverse effects, similar to tripping too often).

You can experiment a bit. Dose every day, and adjust the dose depending on wether it acts too strong/weak.

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Re: Microdosing [Re: kyu]
    #23674508 - 09/24/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have had a similar experience with regular lose dose trips and a bit micro dosing. Mid morning or lunch time is good so the energy dosnt disrupt sleep.

More open, more willing to experience emotions, more conversational, optimistic etc.

On the down side I've crashed my bike a few times, find linear thinking and maths a bit harder. That's taking enough somtimes to see a difference in colour perception though. Lower doses may not have these side effects for me.

And I've managed to ditch the roll ups again 


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Re: Microdosing [Re: littlespider]
    #23674906 - 09/24/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can't believe this can work but I'd try it maybe just macro dose fuck it daily


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Re: Microdosing [Re: fightingcherries]
    #23675332 - 09/24/16 09:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im very sensisitive to shrooms and will have some psychedelic effects at even 0.3g dried. When I microdose, it basically makes whatever I'm doing that night somehow the most fun thing ever, the best music ever, the best sex ever, etc. Not like I'm drugged but that somehow everything was the best that night.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #23675397 - 09/24/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Albert Hoffman said that microdosing was perhaps the most undocumented and possibly fruitful area of research with psychedelics. He believed that with microdoses mushrooms and LSD would have replaced medicine for depression, anxiety and ADHD.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: dcthestar]
    #23675524 - 09/24/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

so far it has had better effects for me than any other anti-depresent or psych med I have been on. Everything else seems to have an unfortunate side effect or made things better in the shrot term and worse in the long.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23675562 - 09/24/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Multiple doctors have tried to prescribe me antidepressants and I refused. It should be obvious to any recreational drug user what regularly taking a drug to raise some neurotransmitter level will do. I cannot understand how modern psychiatric medicine is still so primitive and derogatory. It's all a scam to loop you back into the medical system for more appointments, rx refills, procedures, and complications down the road, by intentionally making your health worse.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Kinshino]
    #23675574 - 09/24/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Kinshino said:
Awesome, I've been interested in microdosing shrooms. How long have you been doing it for? And you only have to take it every four days? Do you know what happens if you take it everyday?





I noticed no negative side effects besides possibly very slight irritability when coming off of them (by choice)

I micro dosed for at least six months straight every day religiously I would reccomend it


Micro dosing and shrooms don't go together in my book :wink:

Mushrooms are not a drug in my book either. They r a good thing.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: ergoticmandala] * 1
    #23681966 - 09/27/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've tried microdosing daily for 30 days and didn't experience any adverse effects during nor after the trial. I actually started microdosing with Dr. Fadiman's suggestion of taking 0.2g-0.5g every fourth day and it was a fantastic experience. I definitely noticed great clarity, focus, awareness, and amazing ability to "zone in" on certain activities. I did have to experiment with a proper dose as 0.3g, 0.25g, & 0.2g were just over my threshold of sub-trippy effect. 0.1g(100mg) or 0.15g(150mg) were just right. I experienced only a light elation and butterflies with 100mg. It seemed as if the room got brighter or switching to an High Definition television. Only felt a little funny. Barely anything.

After 2-3 weeks of Dr. Fadiman's 4th day method I decided to go for a daily 100mg microdose of Tak Mountain Cubensis. I figured the anti-addictive properties of psylocybin would help with the light "funny" feelings every time I dosed. Basically if you were to take a gram of psylocybin one day, and then take another gram the following day you wouldn't feel anything. You would basically have to double the dose to feel it the on the 2nd day. (not recommended to take moderate to hero doses on consecutive days as you need to let the reboot complete)

Taking a daily microdose in my experience allowed me to dose without feeling funny (except for day1). The healing effects are very apparent. During and after the 30 days my energy level is great. No busy-bee burn out. Mental Clarity is impeccable. All the BS/noise that an over-analyzing mind has, is pacified. Straight to the point. Honest with yourself... and others. Social interactions seem more organic. Skill level and focus improved drastically. Activities that you find the zone in like playing the guitar, singing, basketball, darts, ping pong, billiards, reading books, cleaning, art, poetry, freestyle rapping, etc. were amazing. Getting into that zone seemed effortless. Awareness heightened. HD all around.

All in all my 30 days of daily microdosing 100mg was a great experience. 30 days later I haven't felt a decline in any of the positive effects. Days of being "on my game" are common. Blessed to not have had an off day lately.

Follow your gut. If the 4th day method feels right for you then its all gravy. If you feel like the psychedelic/trippy effect is overwhelming or undesirable then a daily dose could be good for you. Experiment and share!!! Hope this shines a lil light on the subject.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: shamanizer]
    #23686838 - 09/28/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Started day 1 in a dark cloud and felt no effecs from first dosage .25 thai cubensis.

Miraculously on day 3 the clouds lifted and I felt almost normal.  I had the second dose today and await to see where it takes me.

Ive been thinking about music and started cooking for the family again.  All upward triggers.  When I start creating tunes again im almost happy....fingers crossed.......


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Edmunter]
    #23686954 - 09/28/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've ordered some vitamin d to go along with this plan. The winter stagnation is fair setting in now...


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Re: Microdosing [Re: littlespider]
    #23689222 - 09/29/16 03:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Use vitamin B complex and Alpha brain to help you focus also.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Edmunter]
    #23696623 - 10/01/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Edmunter glad to hear that it is working out for you. Yesterday I had the first day of it not working for me. There were multiple vectors here that could have changed the effect. I had taken a small but noticeable dose of Aderall and had been coming off short sleep and an injury.

Usually despite how dark my mood is the dose will turn it around, this time I felt almost no change. Weird. Maybe I just need to get a better scale.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Navidson]
    #23696660 - 10/01/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I always feel every now and again you need a proper trip.

I trip using nitros oxide combined.  Its phenomenal.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: shamanizer]
    #23716027 - 10/07/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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shamanizer said:

After 2-3 weeks of Dr. Fadiman's 4th day method I decided to go for a daily 100mg microdose of Tak Mountain Cubensis. I figured the anti-addictive properties of psylocybin would help with the light "funny" feelings every time I dosed. Basically if you were to take a gram of psylocybin one day, and then take another gram the following day you wouldn't feel anything. You would basically have to double the dose to feel it the on the 2nd day. (not recommended to take moderate to hero doses on consecutive days as you need to let the reboot complete)

Taking a daily microdose in my experience allowed me to dose without feeling funny (except for day1). The healing effects are very apparent. During and after the 30 days my energy level is great. No busy-bee burn out. Mental Clarity is impeccable. All the BS/noise that an over-analyzing mind has, is pacified. Straight to the point. Honest with yourself... and others. Social interactions seem more organic. Skill level and focus improved drastically. Activities that you find the zone in like playing the guitar, singing, basketball, darts, ping pong, billiards, reading books, cleaning, art, poetry, freestyle rapping, etc. were amazing. Getting into that zone seemed effortless. Awareness heightened. HD all around.

All in all my 30 days of daily microdosing 100mg was a great experience. 30 days later I haven't felt a decline in any of the positive effects. Days of being "on my game" are common. Blessed to not have had an off day lately.

Follow your gut. If the 4th day method feels right for you then its all gravy. If you feel like the psychedelic/trippy effect is overwhelming or undesirable then a daily dose could be good for you. Experiment and share!!! Hope this shines a lil light on the subject.




That's very interesting! I would not have thought to dose more often to reduce the "funny" effects.
Thanks for sharing this :thumbup:
I went from .3 to .2 then to .1 and still find I feel a bit spacey and "off" with morning doses taken every 2nd or 3rd day. I already made a bunch of .1 capsules so going lower would be a hassle.
I think I'll try .1 daily with the weekend coming up and see how it goes. Currently feeling a bit spacey from my Friday morning dose. :mushroom2:


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Re: Microdosing [Re: subject 13]
    #23716046 - 10/07/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Great info,  I might try this. so  .01g every day.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Edmunter]
    #23716090 - 10/07/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Great info,  I might try this. so  .01g every day.




100mg or 0.1g at least for cubensis  :mushroom:
.01g would be a nanodose :tongue2: and I assume way to low for any benefit, but who knows?


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Re: Microdosing [Re: subject 13]
    #23728145 - 10/11/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ive now gone to .1g everyday and my emotions and feelings have levelled out already.  I feel normal, not just in a daze or extreming.  Had a few beers the other night and didnt have the blues the next day..........promising stuff.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Edmunter]
    #23728170 - 10/11/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ur not supposed to mix mushrooms with alcohol I have read


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23728195 - 10/11/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nah I dont believe that.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Edmunter]
    #23728280 - 10/11/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol ok... check out the book "the fungal pharmacy"......

I tell this to people, and often they seem to hold alchohol too dear to accept it.

Alcohol never brings anything good, it's a depressant. Sure stimulant as well but no one uses it that way.

Alchohol sucks and should be banned imo. Worst shit ever.

I do not put it in my body and neither should anyone else imo


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23728527 - 10/11/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I love a beer though and DMT and Jam


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Edmunter]
    #23729229 - 10/11/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeee hawwww


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23729253 - 10/11/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I highly suggest Terence McKenna's book titled the food of the Gods


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23729376 - 10/11/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

A glass of wine every night has actually lowered my cholesterol.

No shit.

Sorry for getting off topic.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Bernard]
    #23729390 - 10/11/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Alcohol is a fine drug give me a break, just don't abuse it like a retard. People shouldn't try to inflict their irrational hatred of certain drugs onto others, it's pure projection.

That said I agree that it doesn't mix well with mushrooms or any psychedelics. There are other drugs that do but I guess I can't mention them TPE. :lol:

More to the point, microdosing mushrooms is great, it definitely has an antidepressant effect. I think the antidepressant effect is stronger and lasts longer if you actually just have a nice strong trip rather than using it everyday. I wouldn't want to build a tolerance to it such that it would make it hard to have a nice trip. Doing a monthly hefty dose is great for keeping away the blues IMO.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23729454 - 10/11/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Alcohol is a pathetic drug imo

Read the book referenced above, he covers the topic of alcohol like a poet

Alchohol dumbs the masses why do u think it's legal lmao

Think about it...

Fuck alchohol, LAME!!!

Ever noticed how your clear frame of mind and fluid though process goes down the drain when u drink the crap? ??


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23729904 - 10/11/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Alcohol is a pathetic drug imo

Read the book referenced above, he covers the topic of alcohol like a poet

Alchohol dumbs the masses why do u think it's legal lmao

Think about it...

Fuck alchohol, LAME!!!

Ever noticed how your clear frame of mind and fluid though process goes down the drain when u drink the crap? ??



Yeah right dude. I'll let you go ahead and lap up the drivel McKenna pulls out of his ass. He was a nice guy that had some interesting things to say but he's also full of a whole bunch of absolute bullshit.

Our ancestors evolved the ability to metabolize alcohol 10 million fucking years ago. Alcohol is one of the world's oldest entheogens and has religious and sacred use going back around 10,000 years in a wide variety of ancient cultures. It's been around just as long as cactus, mushrooms, or opium.

You want to read about alcohol? From LiPo to Ghalib, Belloc to Bukowski, alcohol has been friend and inspiration to poets across the world. Don't give me that alcohol is evil shit. Consumer capitalism ruins everything. Look at what legalization of marijuana has done to weed; people are already hyping and pimping it and using it to get people hooked and sell product. Fucking pathetic. This is why I'm against the legalization of drugs.

Decriminalization, sure, people should be able to take whatever they want, but never full legalization. Put LSD in the hands of advertising and marketing executives of major corporations and it would become the most evil thing on the planet. But in and of itself it is pure, distilled beauty- the motherfucking face of God. 

The current culture around alcohol is toxic, no doubt, but the drug is not evil. Drugs are tools and almost any one of them can have a positive or negative impact based on the way it is used. So many recovering alcoholics, former opiate or amphetamine addicts get this puritanical hatred of the drugs they abused. I understand the impulse to blame the drug, but it's the person that abused the substance, not the other way around. If you don't like booze that's fine, I've certainly had times in my life where I drank too much and honestly I don't keep it in the house because I have the tendency to over do it, but a good bottle of wine or bourbon now and then is an excellent thing my friend, one of life's simple pleasures.
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Re: Microdosing [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23730371 - 10/12/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:lmafo:

Alchohol is an entheogen????

Lmfao.... yeahhhhh right try again

Please do explain how alchohol is an entheogen??

Entheogens make u feel good, especially the day after u eat them. It's called an "afterglow"

Alchohol doesn't do that lol. How does alchohol expand ur Conciousness? ??

I'm not basing my thoughts off terrace alone, but also my own observations while under the influence of ethanol.

Let's get real, alchohol will never be anything close to an entheogen.

Alchohol doesn't bring u any self realizations, or any unknowns for that matter. The sides affects are mainly negative in my book. What are the positive side affects in ur book??? I'm curious?

All entheogens are illegal. Why? Cause they expand thr conciousness. They don't want us to be smarter... duh.

That's why alchohol is legal. It makes people dumb enough to say shit like u just did. Fuck.

Alchohol is an entheogen. Lmao I've heard it all now lmao.......

I agree with most of ur statement, drugs are tools. And society ruined alchohol.

I'll never agree it's an entheogen tho, and that's just from having experienced alchohol and diff entheogens.

I don't have any sort of person problems with alchohol it's just a pathetic drug in my book. Super lame what comes from it. Never was that cool to begin w it h.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23730376 - 10/12/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Btw, I'm not for marijuana legalization.

But look at how it bringing to the publics eyes, the fact that cannabis is one of the most powerful adaptogens. Many people are using it medicinally now that we're not before. I know first hand.

Lots of real data will be released about cannabis now showing how powerful it is.

It was all part of their plan to make the most money off of it tho still.

Make a black market. Then lagalize it as well.

If they made It legal to begin, they would have no black market profits.

They planned on legalization fifty years ago. They will soon start talking about all the medical applications of cannabis things will change


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23730572 - 10/12/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"Entheogen: a chemical substance, typically of plant origin, that is ingested to produce a nonordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes."

Alcohol is fermented from plants, creates a nonordianry state of consciousness and has religious and spiritual uses dating back to antiquity. Tobacco is also an entheogen. The Taino Indians used it in religious ceremonies and if you've ever had too much nicotine you'd know that it can make you trip. Puking, shitting yourself and feeling generally unpleasant does not make something cease to be an entheogen, look at ayahuasca and all the purging it causes. Being an entheogen doesn't require you and The Almighty Terrance McKenna to like, it requires documented religious use. Any drug can put you in touch with some kind of spiritual, ecstatic state if you use it right. There are different deities they may contact, like while tryptamines can put you in touch with Logos and Sophia, opiates and dissociatives put you in touch with Thanatos and the Void, but some people look for different things in their spiritual quests. God has many faces. For somebody who claims to be open minded and enlightened you have a very myopic view of drugs.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23730622 - 10/12/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Just because a group of people has a relationship with a substance doesn't make that substance automatically something I would want to put in my body. (Ex. China and opium)

As McKenna says alcohol promotes all the bad of our culture (dominator society etc.).

I enjoy alcohol for its historic significance, Aristotle was drinking wine, but regular alcoholism is a very negative pattern.


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    #23731006 - 10/12/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

For one, ur the only one here referencing McKenna in thr manner u are.

I made a brief reference to the man. I know little about him have read one of his books and don't hold him any higher than that lol...

Also, entheogen to date imo is a poorly defined term.

I personally feel entheogens in general bring an enlightening feeling the day after to using called an after glow. Also they bring much self thought and self realizations if u will..

Alchohol in my experience, terrace set aside, doesn't and would not fit into an entheogens definition in my book

Maybe I fail to see the beauty, but that's how I see it currently. I don't believe people benefit from it.

I'm not entirely convinced LSD and mushroom one might say would become evil as u put if legalized either. Only one way to find out but that's my view


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23731013 - 10/12/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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P.Zappatecorum said:
"Entheogen: a chemical substance, typically of plant origin, that is ingested to produce a nonordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes."

Alcohol is fermented from plants, creates a nonordianry state of consciousness and has religious and spiritual uses dating back to antiquity. Tobacco is also an entheogen. The Taino Indians used it in religious ceremonies and if you've ever had too much nicotine you'd know that it can make you trip. Puking, shitting yourself and feeling generally unpleasant does not make something cease to be an entheogen, look at ayahuasca and all the purging it causes. Being an entheogen doesn't require you and The Almighty Terrance McKenna to like, it requires documented religious use. Any drug can put you in touch with some kind of spiritual, ecstatic state if you use it right. There are different deities they may contact, like while tryptamines can put you in touch with Logos and Sophia, opiates and dissociatives put you in touch with Thanatos and the Void, but some people look for different things in their spiritual quests. God has many faces. For somebody who claims to be open minded and enlightened you have a very myopic view of drugs.




And where did I claim to be open minded and enlightened lmao? Can u quote that pls maybe I'm outta my mind and forgot

Ur quick to put words into people mouths...


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23731196 - 10/12/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It seems that an entheogen is a person specific thing. If you take something for an entheogenic experience then it is an entheogen.

As far as McKenna goes, I think hes pretty intellectual on the history of drug use and I respect his opinions on drug use and the psychedelic.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
    #23731250 - 10/12/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I personally feel entheogens in general bring an enlightening feeling the day after to using called an after glow. Also they bring much self thought and self realizations if u will..




If entheogens bring enlightented feeling and insight it would stand to reason that you are implying contact with enlightenment through your use of entheogens; enlightened thoughts that you don't personally get from alcohol, fine.

I think you can get insight from any experience with the right mindset. Alcohol can be meditative, can bring about lowered inhibitions that bring out more honesty with oneself and others. Many writers find it gets the creative process moving through that lowered inhibition and increased honesty. It is a proven social lubricant that can solidify friendships and bring people together, which happens to be one of the main functions of religion and has been used in religious festivals for thousands of years, hence it being an entheogen.

My point of the dangers of LSD and mushrooms if legal is that many, many people will be approaching them with the wrong mindset, and if you think LSD can't be dangerous when approached with the wrong mindset I would say you're being incredibly naive. There's enough trip reports here where people lost their shit and went incredible wrong on LSD and mushrooms. Here's a good one.

At any rate, back to topic. Microdosing mushrooms is a great way to improve mood and focus.


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Re: Microdosing [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23731400 - 10/12/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I never implied what u r saying I did. That's u shoving words in my mouth with ur skewed perception.

It seems to me u r the one arguing here, I stated my opinion mearly... :leaving:


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    #23731581 - 10/12/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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