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Raven44
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For one, ur the only one here referencing McKenna in thr manner u are.
I made a brief reference to the man. I know little about him have read one of his books and don't hold him any higher than that lol...
Also, entheogen to date imo is a poorly defined term.
I personally feel entheogens in general bring an enlightening feeling the day after to using called an after glow. Also they bring much self thought and self realizations if u will..
Alchohol in my experience, terrace set aside, doesn't and would not fit into an entheogens definition in my book
Maybe I fail to see the beauty, but that's how I see it currently. I don't believe people benefit from it.
I'm not entirely convinced LSD and mushroom one might say would become evil as u put if legalized either. Only one way to find out but that's my view
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Raven44
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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
#23731013 - 10/12/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.Zappatecorum said: "Entheogen: a chemical substance, typically of plant origin, that is ingested to produce a nonordinary state of consciousness for religious or spiritual purposes."
Alcohol is fermented from plants, creates a nonordianry state of consciousness and has religious and spiritual uses dating back to antiquity. Tobacco is also an entheogen. The Taino Indians used it in religious ceremonies and if you've ever had too much nicotine you'd know that it can make you trip. Puking, shitting yourself and feeling generally unpleasant does not make something cease to be an entheogen, look at ayahuasca and all the purging it causes. Being an entheogen doesn't require you and The Almighty Terrance McKenna to like, it requires documented religious use. Any drug can put you in touch with some kind of spiritual, ecstatic state if you use it right. There are different deities they may contact, like while tryptamines can put you in touch with Logos and Sophia, opiates and dissociatives put you in touch with Thanatos and the Void, but some people look for different things in their spiritual quests. God has many faces. For somebody who claims to be open minded and enlightened you have a very myopic view of drugs.
And where did I claim to be open minded and enlightened lmao? Can u quote that pls maybe I'm outta my mind and forgot
Ur quick to put words into people mouths...
Edited by Raven44 (10/12/16 11:45 AM)
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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
#23731196 - 10/12/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It seems that an entheogen is a person specific thing. If you take something for an entheogenic experience then it is an entheogen.
As far as McKenna goes, I think hes pretty intellectual on the history of drug use and I respect his opinions on drug use and the psychedelic.
-------------------- "That you are here—that life exists, and identity; That the powerful play goes on, and you will contribute a verse.” ― Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass

Edited by The Mycologist (10/12/16 01:22 PM)
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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
#23731250 - 10/12/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said: I personally feel entheogens in general bring an enlightening feeling the day after to using called an after glow. Also they bring much self thought and self realizations if u will..
If entheogens bring enlightented feeling and insight it would stand to reason that you are implying contact with enlightenment through your use of entheogens; enlightened thoughts that you don't personally get from alcohol, fine.
I think you can get insight from any experience with the right mindset. Alcohol can be meditative, can bring about lowered inhibitions that bring out more honesty with oneself and others. Many writers find it gets the creative process moving through that lowered inhibition and increased honesty. It is a proven social lubricant that can solidify friendships and bring people together, which happens to be one of the main functions of religion and has been used in religious festivals for thousands of years, hence it being an entheogen.
My point of the dangers of LSD and mushrooms if legal is that many, many people will be approaching them with the wrong mindset, and if you think LSD can't be dangerous when approached with the wrong mindset I would say you're being incredibly naive. There's enough trip reports here where people lost their shit and went incredible wrong on LSD and mushrooms. Here's a good one.
At any rate, back to topic. Microdosing mushrooms is a great way to improve mood and focus.
Edited by P.Zappatecorum (10/12/16 01:21 PM)
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Raven44
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I never implied what u r saying I did. That's u shoving words in my mouth with ur skewed perception.
It seems to me u r the one arguing here, I stated my opinion mearly...
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Re: Microdosing [Re: Raven44]
#23731581 - 10/12/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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