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Prohibition
    #23665606 - 09/21/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

One of the main reasons governments are so opposed to psychedelic substances is that they catalyze states of mind in which beliefs and boundaries dissolve and are questioned.  Since beliefs and boundaries are two of the most important factors for power, this is a very real threat to the status quo.  For that reason, the stigma surrounding these substances is very convenient for the authorities.  Indeed, a fearful, ignorant public supports them in this for the most part.  Nevertheless, the U.S. Constitution does seem to guarantee the freedom to cultivate and ingest any plant substance, for example, as long as it does not impinge upon the liberty of another.  Therefore, prohibition of substances is illegal.  Not only that, it pays criminals and government agencies billions.  I wish we could do better.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23665619 - 09/21/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

nothing to do with reactionary Art Linkletter types who hate that their son died by trying to fly off a building?

If we don't know what's good for us they will tell us and force us to listen.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23665645 - 09/21/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

U.S. Bill of Rights to the Constitution

Amendment One:  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment 10:  The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


I believe an unbiased review of especially these two amendments unequivocally supports the right of an individual to do what he wishes in the manner I have described.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23665649 - 09/21/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
If we don't know what's good for us they will tell us and force us to listen.




That's right.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23665682 - 09/21/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's completely fucking backwards. On the one hand, they tell us we can't take things which can (potentially) make us kinder, wiser, more loving beings, and on the other hand they have a big hand in distributing the most harmful and deadly drugs around the world, and cause a proliferation of the use of such drugs.

Like, it's SO fucking backwards insane that it's almost enough to convince me there must be a point to this life. No way would we be exposed to such paradox if there were not something to learn from all this...


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Re: Prohibition [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23665890 - 09/21/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Drink all the mind-numbing alcohol you want.  As Carlin said, you can be "legally drunk."  But marijuana is only now legal in three or four states?  As of very recently?  It makes zero sense.  I guess when they figured out they could make more money off of it with it legal, they relented.

Indeed, it's tempting to believe paradox is a kind of test at times.  I don't know if that's true, but there are definitely layers and concatenations of paradox threading through existence.  Maybe you're right and there is a point.  But before we can make progress as individuals and societies, we have to get our heads out of our asses first and foremost.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23665984 - 09/21/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's too late for me...

"I sort of gave up on this whole human adventure a long time ago. I've divorced myself from it emotionally. I think the human race has squandered its gift and this country has squandered its promise. I think people in America sold out very cheaply, for sneakers and cheeseburgers. And I don't think it's fixable."
--George Carlin


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Re: Prohibition [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23666066 - 09/21/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

To you, and to GC

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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23666224 - 09/21/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not saying he's wrong but GC was a cynic, not automatically a wise man.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23666228 - 09/21/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

they outlaw them cuz most americans are dumbass


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Re: Prohibition [Re: doublenotch]
    #23666230 - 09/21/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

but the jail sentences are crazy


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Re: Prohibition [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23666253 - 09/21/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Not saying he's wrong but GC was a cynic, not automatically a wise man.



I'm not sure why you connect cynicism with wisdom, but one does not necessitate the other IMO.

None the less, IMO, Carlin was one sharp motherfucker. I quote him not because I'm lead by what he suggests, but because he more eloquently words my already existing beliefs than I could.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23666417 - 09/21/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Not saying he's wrong but GC was a cynic, not automatically a wise man.




"The cynics are right nine times out of ten."  --H.L. Mencken


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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23666806 - 09/21/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Therefore, prohibition of substances is illegal.



Simply not true.  While I agree prohibition with drugs is doing the same thing over we did with alcohol and expecting a different result.  The CS act of 1970 clearly defines what a CS is and the criminal penalties associated with possession, manufacturing and distributing it with out a DEA license.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23667200 - 09/22/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it helps to investigate the insanity of these people. I obviously don't mean that term to mean 'mental illness' as in a biologically-caused disease as that is part OF their social control. Rather I mean it is the things they believe makes them insane. They are very clever but not wise, and as a result are destroying very nature itself which is their source of life. THAT is the epitome of insanity

How does this help us? Well if you don't look into their insanity, and see where it comes from and what fuels it, you can go insane yourself from the blatant irrationality of the 'world' we have to live in

Here is an example, a child hates school, but is made to believe it is normal reality. So his dissonance with what s/he believes is normal reality can send it over the edge. IF though it is found out to be the fabricated mind control insitution it really is, then you get an ahaaaa experience which is self-empowering, because you had that sense all along that something was not right


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Re: Prohibition [Re: zzripz]
    #23667386 - 09/22/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Everytime you make something illegal you inversely create a black market because you cannot control the existence of said illegal thing.

The ideology that you can control peoples actions and therefore as result control their minds and their choices. They can influence those choices with harsh consequences for doing what they prohibit and having positive reinforcement through pop culture to do things in alignment with their wishes. These are the same rules any dog owner knows well. Ultimately it is up to the dog, but after the puppy stage, the idea that they had a choice, or that the prohibited choice may be better, is greatly diminished.

sad state of affairs we live in

and only to contribute to the satirist quotation theme

Quote:

Bill Hicks:
It's all about money, not freedom, y'all, okay? Nothing to do with fuckin' freedom. If you think you're free, try going somewhere without fucking money, okay?


Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally on our planet, serves a thousand different functions, all of them positive. To make marijuana against the law is like saying that God made a mistake. Like on the seventh day God looked down, "There it is. My Creation, perfect and holy in all ways. Now I can rest. [Gives shocked expression] Oh my Me! I left fuckin' pot everywhere. I should never have smoked that joint on the third day. Hehe, that was the day I created the possum. Still gives me a chuckle. But if I leave pot everywhere, that's gonna give people the impression they're supposed to … use it. Now I have to create Republicans." " … and God wept", I believe is the next part of that story.




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Re: Prohibition [Re: nuentoter]
    #23667436 - 09/22/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the only really safe place for my head is up my ass


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Re: Prohibition [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23667459 - 09/22/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Therefore, prohibition of substances is illegal.



Simply not true.  While I agree prohibition with drugs is doing the same thing over we did with alcohol and expecting a different result.  The CS act of 1970 clearly defines what a CS is and the criminal penalties associated with possession, manufacturing and distributing it with out a DEA license.




Is it possible that that statute is unconstitutional?


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Re: Prohibition [Re: zzripz]
    #23667489 - 09/22/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

this fked up so-called 'war on drugs' went virtually global

It is one of THE best examples that the 'education' system is an absolute failure, because if we were to trust the reasoning behind it from those who have had very expensive educations what does that tell anyone? THAT they are as dumb as fkcu

Well we know that they are not dumb but very conniving and clever. Nixon for example saw the war on drugs as a way to persecute and imprison 'troublesome' black people, and 'troublesome' hippies and war protesters, and this will include their fear of free thinking and feeling, because they are all about constantly spinning propaganda and imposing their narrative.

Recently saw documentary about the so-called legal highs shops in UK, and how they recently passed a law banning ALL legal highs.

'Legal highs' which are synthetic substances made and sold usually by breadheads can cause severe addiction

Next question: But what IS 'addiction'? it is really people so pissed off with the world they have to live in and feel oppressed in will try any means of escape. Remember glue sniffing? Did they ban glue?

These 'legal highs' will simply go underground...OBVIOUSLY. :rolleyes:

We are all being treated like child robots by war criminals and ecocidal profiteers. That is the bottom line.

So in summary their madness has a method. it is being aware of both. Seeing through their BS.


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Re: Prohibition [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23668687 - 09/22/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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One of the main reasons governments are so opposed to psychedelic substances is that they catalyze states of mind in which beliefs and boundaries dissolve and are questioned. 




disagree
it sounds sensible so why do i disagree?

because, it seems to me, government is composed of individuals,
and is not some vague monolithic entity;
and the individuals
are not concerned with societal control.
Rather, seems, they are concerned with getting votes
and appearing tougher than their opponents,
so they are just going along with a dumb populace
that is fed fear and disinformation by the media.
And assholes on DXM and Salvia, etc., on Youtube
don't help either.

Historically there were some pivot points in which different things happened (with different stories for different drugs), Having to do with Leary, Nixon and some more 'ancient history', and ATFs.

At this point in time, drug enforcement is also a huge economic enterprise, that cannot just be stopped. It involves thousands of jobs
and institutions. Then there is most likely more Olie North type hidden agendas.


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