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First time aya
    #23665338 - 09/21/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can anyone give me some input on an ayahuasca trip. Ive read trip reports of ayahuasca, im pretty experienced with dmt and shrooms of high doses(50+grams) but everytime i do dmt my nerves always get me a little bit. Any tips or advice?

Also has anyone done aya with a. Confusa. Thats what im working with.


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Re: First time aya [Re: numnum59]
    #23665460 - 09/21/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No amount of experience with psychedelics prepares you for aya because aya is two things: a psychedelic and an maoi. Now you have prepare in maoi safety and dieting, etc. Some also believe you ought to do it with a good shaman.


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Re: First time aya [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #23665823 - 09/21/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Acacia is a wonderful plant, but i prefer Mimosa though i like Acacia too. I use Rue instead of Caapi. The come up can be intense due to the Adrenaline release and the fight-or-flight mode being activated, which could potentially send you into a panic attack, so just keep your mindset/headspace in a positive direction, focus on your breathing, calm/relax yourself, don't get worked up because that'll just increase the panic/fear, just relax, let go, and give into the medicine/experience. Once you're relaxed/calm and have let go, the medicine will work it's magic, ime. But if you fight/resist it during the come up, you can struggle a bit and it could make the experience challenging/difficult or potentially terrifying, so don't fight it, just relax. If necessary, listen to some good music (maybe some of your favorite music) preferably instrumental and not something with lyrics, and focus on the music which will take your focus away from the intensity/fear and move the experience into a more positive direction, then once you feel comfortable you can turn the music off. Music has helped me out of a tight spot on many occasions and usually only takes a song or two.

Also, no need to restrict your diet, Harmalas do not interact with Tyramine and you do not need to avoid foods. I've been taking strong dosages of Rue daily for 5 months now and i've been just fine, especially since Rue's side-effects went away after the first couple or so weeks of taking it, so no nausea/vomiting or heavy/rough/sickly body load, and certainly no food interactions, same applies to Caapi as well. The Harmalas are reversible and selective MAO-A inhibitors, like Moclobemide, and thus do not have dietary restrictions. And you can certainly take it by yourself, just make sure that you can handle/manage yourself, and you might wanna start out with a more moderate dosage before trying a stronger dosage. But having someone around, even if in the next room, might be helpful in case you get in a tight spot, at which point i've found simply talking to someone and being reassured i'm alright has helped me ground myself during a couple of pretty intense moments, but for the most part i've always taken this stuff by myself and have been just fine.


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Re: First time aya [Re: Sabnock]
    #23667503 - 09/22/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sabnock, sounds good. I guess im just expecting it to be like freebase dmt where your here one sec then bam, it smacks you in thr face with a 2x4, only for 4ish hours. That would be way intense and id have to mentally prep for that for a few weeks haha


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Re: First time aya [Re: numnum59]
    #23669939 - 09/23/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's some debate about whether food dieting is neccessary, but there are definitely problems with medications. If you have recently taken any prescription medications, recreational drugs, or even OTC medications or supplements, there are a host of potentially lethal interactions waiting to occur. Especially antidepressants and MDMA. Some of the drugs require a 2 month clearing window.


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Re: First time aya [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #23671680 - 09/23/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So i did it yesterday, and there definately was a head change and some slight oev/cev but i think they were mostly induced from my mind knowing i was supposed to have them if that makes sense. It was 10g acacia and 4g rue spaced 1 hr apart. Very underwhelming.


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Re: First time aya [Re: numnum59]
    #23671707 - 09/23/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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numnum59 said:
So i did it yesterday, and there definately was a head change and some slight oev/cev but i think they were mostly induced from my mind knowing i was supposed to have them if that makes sense. It was 10g acacia and 4g rue spaced 1 hr apart. Very underwhelming.




If you brewed them up and drank them an hour apart, you waited too long, try taking the Rue first, wait 15 minutes and then take the Acacia, if that doesn't work then perhaps try waiting 30 minutes after the Rue to take the Acacia. Your Rue dosage at 4 grams was good, so i wouldn't change that, and Acacia at 10 grams (when properly brewed) should be quite potent, so i wouldn't change that either atm. Figure out your timing between the Rue and the Acacia, if using teas 15 to 30 minutes apart should be good enough imo. If using capsules, probably 30 minutes apart.


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Re: First time aya [Re: Sabnock]
    #23671731 - 09/23/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's nothing subtle about aya whatsoever.  Something was done wrong. It sounds like you didn't get full MAO inhibition. Maybe you did the brew wrong, or didn't use enough rue. Also you need to take the acacia with or after the rue, and not before.  Don't increase the acacia dose without first looking at the other things.  Even the slightest dose of dmt will be felt with proper mao inhibition.


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Re: First time aya [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #23671906 - 09/23/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah ive smoked a fair share of it but this is my first time trying aya. I just got about 10g of m. Hostilis, should i try with that? I tried the tek from the nexus and it said wait an hour but ill definitely take your advice. Im at the point where i can experiment a bit. Is there a tolerance period or could i try again tomorrow? Also, any way to get pointed in the direction of a good tek?


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Re: First time aya [Re: numnum59]
    #23672311 - 09/23/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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numnum59 said:
Can anyone give me some input on an ayahuasca trip. Ive read trip reports of ayahuasca, im pretty experienced with dmt and shrooms of high doses(50+grams) but everytime i do dmt my nerves always get me a little bit. Any tips or advice?

Also has anyone done aya with a. Confusa. Thats what im working with.




50 grams of mushrooms??? Typo, I presume? If not, then everything will be underwhelming...


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Re: First time aya [Re: breeg89]
    #23672969 - 09/24/16 04:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not a typo. I wanted to see what going to the other side was like,  so i did. Good thing my wife was trip sitting because i only remember the come up and the back side of the peak. I dont even think i was able to do much n2o that night.


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