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is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK
    #23664497 - 09/21/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

hi help identifying these please?
picked them today in sunny england.

some have the nipple some don't, all bunched together. Doesn't bevel underneath as much as i thought it maybe should.

I know there are spore tests and bruising tests but not sure how these are done?

not sure if I've uploaded the pictures properly, I'm rubbish with this coding lark





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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Frazer]
    #23664546 - 09/21/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yes m8 enjoy..


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: PsyMindz86]
    #23664566 - 09/21/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You have Liberty Caps and at least one Panaeolina.  The ones with a pronounced nipple on the cap should be separated from the ones that have a darkening brown margin.  Spore print the ones without nipples.


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23664672 - 09/21/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

which one is the pan? - 1 in from the top ? or 2 in from bottom of picture? coz I did wonder that too to begin with , then i zoomed in. cheers


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“My brother explained it very well one time he said.... Have you ever noticed , that as we build the fire of understanding brighter , the greater the volume of darkness that is revealed? Or here I’ll put it for you in geometric modal, As the sphere of understanding expands , the surface area of ignorance necessarily grows ever larger?” —-Terence McKenna


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: PsyMindz86]
    #23664826 - 09/21/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think all are libs.


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23664953 - 09/21/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Me too.


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Byrain]
    #23664980 - 09/21/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

think the ones she talking about with darkening brown margins are the ones I pointed out, 1 in from the top, 2 in from the bottom of 2nd picture are the possible pans, think she may  be right 2bh , the more I look, she said one, but there are 2 possibly 3 (6 in from the bottom of pic) that fit her description

more pictures of them now would be good


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: PsyMindz86]
    #23664997 - 09/21/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it even looks like there might be blue staining on the stipe of the one that's third from the bottom.  maybe. 

is the "darkening margin" really just a sign of being hygrophanous?


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: relic]
    #23665004 - 09/21/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I want to say they all are , but now she got me wondering, I do know that libs do not have to have a pronounced nipple tho


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Frazer]
    #23665186 - 09/21/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They're libs.


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Joie]
    #23666570 - 09/21/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So to be safe, cast out one from top two from bottom?

They were all bunched so close together, is it normal for two types of shrooms to be right next to eachother? I thought they grew as a "family" lol

Thanks for everyone's help


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Frazer]
    #23666590 - 09/21/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No reason really, they're all liberty caps. Panaeolina are not toxic either. Different species can grow side by side.


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Byrain]
    #23666692 - 09/21/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for response... I'm in for a good day today then !


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Frazer]
    #23667282 - 09/22/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So today I woke up looked at my shrooms photoed above to find that some had turned black overnight, some were unchanged and some had maggots/larvae on them! Is this normal for liberty caps? I kept them on kitchen roll in the garage overnight. They didn't look appetising at all so I binned them. I did a spore print on a random one and I'd say it was more brown than purple, again is that right? For spore print I just cut the stem of and put gills down on white paper with a shot glass over the top. Should I be drying them out if I'm not consuming the day I pick them? Cos it's my first time hunting I'm nervous about eating the wrong stuff and dying a slow and painful death.

Cheers for any help.

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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Frazer]
    #23667308 - 09/22/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As a newcomer, you should be spore printing everything you find before consuming.  When I store mushrooms (while trying to determine species), I place them in a container lined with paper towel and a put a lid on them, stick in fridge.  Cold  and something to absorb moisture will slow their decay.

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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: RiverDweller1]
    #23667346 - 09/22/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for quick reply.

Just to confirm then, my method of spore printing is correct? And am I looking for purple then? How purple is it? Given quite a few confirmations above that the shrooms in the photo are indeed libs, I'm guessing the spore print I got should be what I'm looking for every time (even though it wasn't as purple as expected)?


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Frazer]
    #23667374 - 09/22/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The print can range from purple/brown to purple/black, mostly depending on the density of spores collected in the print. The best way to print mushrooms is with foil and then cover them with a glass, cup, plate or w/e else you have that will hold in the moisture. And yea, no reason to eat rotting mushrooms, that just might make you sick.


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Byrain]
    #23667507 - 09/22/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's very common with maggots in liberty caps. The mushrooms should be dried immediately and your garage was probably not dry enough. Dry inside where it's room temperature and this will go better. Try to place the mushrooms separated, if some caps are stuck together they will dry slower, giving the maggots more time to eat.

If you see that lots of the mushrooms gills are eaten when you pick them, a quick drying process is more important. The drying can be speed up by placing the paper warmer, with a lamp or other heat source above or under it for example.

When the mushrooms get to a certain dryness, the maggots evacuate to find water, which is futile... and you find them as small dry "grains of rice" stuck to the paper, the table, floor etc. up to a meter or two away. If you dry hundreds of libs, there will sometimes be just as many dry maggots :tounge:



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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23667875 - 09/22/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Poor flies never stood a chance. Seriously can try getting adult flies out of those especially from liberty caps? Would be interesting to know what flies are eating them. :laugh:  You probably could stick a bunch of sacrifice libs in a plastic bag and seal it so they rot and flies have enough time to mature, pupate and turn into a fly. Afterwards you can freeze the adult specimens and stick the immature forms in glass vials of 70% isopropyl alcohol. I'm sure you could find someone Sweden or another European country that would be willing to identify any specimens for you.


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Re: is this a liberty cap? picked today in UK [Re: Byrain]
    #23670832 - 09/23/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it would be interesting to know if it's some kind of flying insect or something else, like wingless springtails (Collembola).

I also have another thought about these larvae. If they eat so much psilocybin, can they accumulate it, making themselves poisonous and unattractive to predators just like some other larvae do? I had an idea of collecting a couple of grams of these and send to someone willing to eat them. I'm not so enthusiastic about trying this myself :wink:


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