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Problems With McKenna
    #23664181 - 09/21/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm guessing you guys have all heard Terence McKenna talk about eating mushrooms. The way he describes the experience is totally different than what happens to me.
Firstly he says if he eats them at 9pm then he's usually ready for hitting the sack just after midnight. What's all that about?
If I ate 5g at that time I think I'd be awake til about 5 or 6am. It takes about an hour to kick in, so that's 10pm, and then the peak lasts til after midnight (probably til about 1am). Then there's the 2-3hr comedown. Still tripping and my mind is thinking up all sorts of creative ideas, so sleep is the last thing on my mind.

Also, the way he describes the visuals are way different. He describes Ayahuasca visuals like my psilocybin visuals, but he claims (even though it's just a slight tweak of the molecule) the two are nothing like each other. I've never taken Aya so I can't comment on that.

Do you think different mushrooms produce different effects? I know he used cubensis and I use semilanceata, so is there a big difference between the two experiences?
Or if not, do you think trips are changing in general? If I were to time travel back to the 70s and eat liberty caps do you think it would be just the same as eating them in 2016?
I just can't get my head around where he's coming from. I know that no two trips are the same, but I can tell all my trips are drawn by the same hand using the same pen.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23664272 - 09/21/16 07:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You also got to remember that he was taking these things in a sensory deprived environment ("In silent darkness"). He focused on CEV which can show more diverse imagery.

IDK about him being able to sleep so soon, I cant recall him saying this.

The only difference between different psych mushrooms is concentrations, the actives themselves are the same.

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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23664408 - 09/21/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Trips on mushrooms are very short in comparison to LSD but if you take a large dose the experience is much longer. Six hours at the most all in for me, but YMMV.

Secondly mushrooms ARE very much like DMT and Ana-huasca but I think you need extensive experience with DMT and the DMT realm, to be able to appreciate this. Most people break through on DMT and then end up doing the same with mushrooms, but no doubt with large enough doses of mushrooms some people have achieved the reverse. 

If you have broken through on Ayahuasca or DMT then its very easy, and almost difficult not to break through to basically the same kind of place on mushrooms especially if lying alone and in darkness.

Anahuasca and mushrooms for me are very similar except mushrooms have more LSD-ish and recreational qualities and capabilities thrown in. The first time I tried mushrooms however I thought the were much more akin to LSD than they were DMT and only later did I come to realize that shrooms are indeed basically a DMT experience. The structure of each molecule is about right!

With shrooms if with friends and just out having a good time it can be easy to miss the rabbit hole, which is why Mckenna talked about taking them alone in darkness. You have to follow the spirits and let them take you, but they cant do this if you are distracted. Sounds 'lord of the rings' but honestly!

I suspect you simply havent broken through to the 'other side' with mushrooms yet and suggest you try taking them as outlined above.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: wolf8312]
    #23664761 - 09/21/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone experiences psychedelics a bit different. This is because psychedelics catalyze the mind and no two people are exactly the same. As far as the time frame for sleep, no way I'd be able to fall asleep that quick without sedatives. Never heard Terence talking about that either though. If you remember where you heard it think you could link? Always love to hear new Terence.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23664790 - 09/21/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You also got to remember that he was taking these things in a sensory deprived environment ("In silent darkness"). He focused on CEV which can show more diverse imagery.




I know. That's the whole point.
I'm saying my CEVs are different to how he describes them, but the same as how he describes Ayahuasca visuals.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23664818 - 09/21/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Mycologist said:
You also got to remember that he was taking these things in a sensory deprived environment ("In silent darkness"). He focused on CEV which can show more diverse imagery.




I know. That's the whole point.
I'm saying my CEVs are different to how he describes them, but the same as how he describes Ayahuasca visuals.




Never done legit Aya, but done the same active constituents in pharmahuasca, wasn't a super strong trip but it was visually different from low dose mushrooms from my experience. Softer, more flowing pastel colors. None of the disturbing imagery I sometimes get on mushrooms of death symbols like skulls and blood.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23664841 - 09/21/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's in this talk at 55:55 when he says he goes bed at midnight.


The whole thing is good to listen to though.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: ShadeOfDeepPurple]
    #23664903 - 09/21/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Think about how much your trips have varied from trip to trip. Just imagine how they must vary person to person. That's basically all we can say about it.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23665020 - 09/21/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

He may go to bed, but could he actually sleep? Or have tryptamine induced REM? It's too dreamy of a state for some to distinguish from actual dreams... lol. My best theory.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: nitelife]
    #23665054 - 09/21/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking the same. You achieve a very dream-like, psychedelic trance state. Imagine lying in silent darkness with a sleep mask on, not keeping track of time. Who knows when the trip stops and the sleep starts? It really kind of blends together. Reminds me of some of my silent darkness trips where I honestly couldn't tell if I were awake or dreaming very, very vividly.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Tiamo]
    #23665207 - 09/21/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I do the a light deprived room with headphones and I fucking love it. If I eat 5g in light dep I see the same shit with CEV and OEV.

McKenna probably smokes so many bombers he passes out at midnight.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Starstepper]
    #23665250 - 09/21/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Semilanceta might be slightly different. Although the main alkaloid is psylocibin/psylocin, there are some others like baeocystin. Even though their effects are speculative, their concentration varies a lot even between the waves of lab-grown shrooms.

Another issue here is your particular neurochemistry. For instance, the dose I usually take is around 6g cubes, with a MAOI (methylene blue)and I get lvl 2 - 2,5 trip at the most, while some other guy needs 3,5g of shrooms from the same batch to get to lvl 3 and 5g would mean full-blown lvl 5 for those poor souls who take them. Getting to know psychedelics should be slow and careful.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Starstepper]
    #23665992 - 09/21/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I do the a light deprived room with headphones and I fucking love it. If I eat 5g in light dep I see the same shit with CEV and OEV.

McKenna probably smokes so many bombers he passes out at midnight.




It's better without headphones.

Yeah he does say he smokes "the 3rd bomber" which helps knock him unconscious. But I smoke weed on the comedown anyway and it just seems to enhance the trip and kickstart the visuals again. Not that I'm complaining. I just can't get how someone could sleep so soon after witnessing the ineffable.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23666072 - 09/21/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well in that video he said he takes them at 8:30 and he's ready to call it a night by midnight, but he doesnt say he actually falls asleep at midnight and he later mentions eating something at 1 am. Still seems way too short for me, 5 grams is a lot more than a 3 hr experience for me but maybe his tolerance got so high that after the peak is over he considers the trip basically over. Wish I could ask about that.


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Re: Problems With McKenna [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23666130 - 09/21/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I want to try silent but I just don't live somewhere that is quiet enough to not get distracted. Cars driving down my road are pretty loud and annoying sometimes. I just have crystal bowl stuff and meditation chants. No music. I even have to put stickers over the power on lights of the head phones to not get distracted.

Maybe I'll try a later trip so there is less traffic or use ear plugs.


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