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Billycrystal007
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23743950 - 10/16/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So i have a question idk if this is where i post it but. Im having trouble keeping my cakes moist in my ecosphere tent thing i bought off midwest grow kits. I have a humidifier and heater plugged into my hygrowtherm. And have my cakes sitting on lids in moistish perlite. Why are all my cakes dry as hell and have blue dots? Id appreciate anyfeed back.
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Stargate
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Billycrystal007 said: So i have a question idk if this is where i post it but. Im having trouble keeping my cakes moist in my ecosphere tent thing i bought off midwest grow kits. I have a humidifier and heater plugged into my hygrowtherm. And have my cakes sitting on lids in moistish perlite. Why are all my cakes dry as hell and have blue dots? Id appreciate anyfeed back.
Not really the right thread to post this, but the blue dots could be due to the lack of water from the sounds of it. Have you tried to dunk and case it? Perhaps you've got too much FAE causing it to dry out?
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drake89
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23744247 - 10/16/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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drake89 said: So you're making 5 figure deals with a publically traded company, youre growing in monotubs, and you post about it with several schedule 1 drugs in your signature?
WOW
Yep. I originally was only interested in mushrooms due to not wanting to pay for shrooms, but than I actually fell in love with mycology, and got into growing medicinal mushrooms. I haven't actually grown the illegal kind in years now.
Going from hobby to business is a process of learning. My business partner needed someone who has an obsession with mushrooms, and I needed someone capable of getting me to a level I've never touched before. My signature may have the illegal kind, but I don't have a single gram of them anymore. I depend on people like you to help me learn, and point me in the right directions while I go through this process.
I'm technically out of my league here, but I've got the balls to go through with it, and give it all I've got.
well you don't sound like a space cadet, so take grower's advice and grow in bags. ditch the tubs. reishi are actually pretty fast and easy
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Stargate
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: drake89]
#23744312 - 10/17/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds good. I'll start using my bags more. After all, I've got a bunch of them.
Is reusing bags a good idea? I use an impulse sealer on the top of each one to seal them. If I cut a little off every time, perhaps I could use them about 5-8 times each? Maybe just chuck any that contam?
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Gr0wer
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23745174 - 10/17/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can but i wouldnt waste time dealing with used bags. And after 3 months the insides will be all gunked up with growth and spores. They cost a quarter each and grow hundreds of dollars worth of tincture matrial.
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Stargate
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
#23745348 - 10/17/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome, thanks 
Do you think I'll have any problems with the tincture being reduced down to half a tincture bottle's dropper worth of fluid per dose?
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Gr0wer
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23750537 - 10/18/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The dose or are you talking about dilluting em? The dose should be a dropper or two full 1-3 times daily with food from my reaserch. Sure you can em to use less but it would be more in your interest to have the higher recommended dose so you get return customers faster.
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
#23750715 - 10/18/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, I know. We currently have it set to 2 droppers a day. I'm just wondering how concentrated I can get the extracts without them turning to goo. Like, how many grams worth of mushroom can be concentrated in 1 dropper full.
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Gr0wer
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23750741 - 10/18/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Like maybe 2-3g per 1oz if you push it, it all has to do with how watery you make your extraction. Probably the best way to make it more concentrated would be use the minimum amount of vodka, just barely keeping it submerged. Then when you do your hot water, separate out your solids and keep reducing the liquids with heat, then do something like 2 parts alcohol extract 1 part hot water extract. I wouldn't go much further than that. What kind of vessels do you plan on doing this in? You would need some sort of food grade mechanical press to get all the liquids out your solids effectively. And i take it you have a USDA inspected commercial kitchen, as you will need one in almost every state when doing this process. And i just realized your planning on vacuum distilling? You realize you need the alcohol to keep it from going rancid? How many bottles have you actually made?
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Gr0wer
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
#23756640 - 10/21/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ahem...How many bottles have you actually made?
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Stargate
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
#23756662 - 10/21/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So far, I've only been able to make 12K bottles. I'm having trouble fulfilling at the moment. I've been doing an alcohol and then hot water extraction, and leaving about 25% alcohol in the product. I've been evaporating them down, but I don't want to keep having to waste alcohol. I'm currently doing the extractions in 5 gallon wine fermenting bottles, which land at a local thrift shop weekly. I just sterilize them before using them. Once the order is through, we will be able to get new equipment for faster production. The vacuum distilling was an idea that I haven't followed through yet with. And yes, we do have a commercial kitchen. We were able to borrow it from another company that my business partner owns.
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23756669 - 10/21/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Paying tax on that ethanol, ttb approval? 12k bottles of 25% ain't going unnoticed
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Stargate
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We found a company that sells undenatured alcohol. They had a program that guides you through the regulatory process efficiently. Its a pain to log everything, but its worth it.
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Gr0wer
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23761039 - 10/22/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yea but how does it taste? I used to be a flavor chemist, we had 190 proof ethanol for solutions. It was worse than everclear.
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
#23761213 - 10/22/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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To me, it tastes like if you put vodka and puke inside a coconut for a few weeks before taking a sip, but that's mostly because I can't stand the taste of mushrooms in the first place. The only thing that saves it for me, is the coconut taste.
Got any tips on how to make it taste better? I know almost nothing about flavor chemistry.
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Gr0wer
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23762498 - 10/22/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chaga or shiitake. Add them to the mix. Both also medicinal. If your using shiitake make sure its not the dried ones from china sprayed with chemicals.
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Stargate
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
#23762854 - 10/23/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, I've got 3 plates of Chaga growing right now. It grows sooo slow compared the the Reishi. I need to get some Shittake. Should probably find if anyone is trading for it, or giving out samples. I feel that if I cultured it from the grocery store fruits, the mycelium aggressiveness would be shit.
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hjalmar
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
#23772998 - 10/26/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Where I am pure 95% ethanol is about 40 euros a liter, so we go to France where it is only 10 euros a liter.
Still for most tinctures I use ethanol denatured with 5% diethyl ether. The ether isn't really toxic in the amounts used in tinctures, it just smells and tastes bad. The difference is that it is only 20 euros for a gallon.
If you want to fractionally distill your own 95% ethanol, consider buying bulk amounts of cheap hobo-type wine, and proceeding from there, that is if you've got the nessecary equipment.
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Gr0wer
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: hjalmar]
#23775211 - 10/26/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Chaga just find a good hunter off ebay thats selling it and make a huge order. Its cheap. I got like 2 lbs and i still have some chunks. One thing with chaga is its a PITA to break up. Its like a rock.
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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
#23786125 - 10/30/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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if youre in the states, PM me. I have family members that work for a large (you know them) distribution center that can get wholesale ethanol for ~$1/l at barrel quantity. Shipping is a killer though, so its almost always easier to find someone local
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