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Bulk ethanol
    #23663479 - 09/20/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm looking for a good source of ethanol for my medicinal mushroom extractions. I've got an order for 30,000 bottles, so I've gotta get a good supplier. As people would be taking this as a tincture, it needs to lack contaminants.

I'm planning on vacuum distilling the tincture in order to recover some of the ethanol, but that still means 30ml of ethanol per bottle as a dead minimum. Assuming no waste, that is still 900 liters of ethanol that I need. Realistically, I should shoot higher, such as to purchase 1 kiloliter. Any ideas as to where to purchase at a discount?

Also, I was wondering. Is it possible to suspend the medicinal properties in fractionated coconut oil?


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23664339 - 09/21/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You ordered 30,000 bottle but can't come up with ethanol?  LOL

Those IBC containers are 1000L.

You have a contract for selling these bottles?  Seems like a risky investment if you don't have a buyer lined up...


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: drake89]
    #23664536 - 09/21/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You ordered 30,000 bottle but can't come up with ethanol?  LOL

Those IBC containers are 1000L.

You have a contract for selling these bottles?  Seems like a risky investment if you don't have a buyer lined up...



The bottles were $0.05 each, as they were bought in bulk from the manufacturer.

IBC containers? I'll have to google that.

Yeah, I got involved with a guy who usually does multi million dollar deals. He got the contract for us, due to having a strong relationship with someone in the chain. The store we have an opening in, is Whole Foods.

I've been looking around, but the places I found so far have contaminated ethanol in bulk. The kind you aren't supposed to consume, as they could make you sick. Finding clean ethanol seems to be giving me trouble.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23665783 - 09/21/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23665966 - 09/21/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You ordered 30,000 bottle but can't come up with ethanol?  LOL

Those IBC containers are 1000L.

You have a contract for selling these bottles?  Seems like a risky investment if you don't have a buyer lined up...



The bottles were $0.05 each, as they were bought in bulk from the manufacturer.

IBC containers? I'll have to google that.

Yeah, I got involved with a guy who usually does multi million dollar deals. He got the contract for us, due to having a strong relationship with someone in the chain. The store we have an opening in, is Whole Foods.

I've been looking around, but the places I found so far have contaminated ethanol in bulk. The kind you aren't supposed to consume, as they could make you sick. Finding clean ethanol seems to be giving me trouble.



Probably need a bunch of paper work for food grade liquor.  Youre gonna need a whole shit load of paper work and certification to sell to whole foods, I'm sure you already know that though.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: drake89]
    #23666439 - 09/21/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Probably need a bunch of paper work for food grade liquor.  Youre gonna need a whole shit load of paper work and certification to sell to whole foods, I'm sure you already know that though.



Probably, but I'm prepared for that paperwork. I'm used to it anyways, as I've had to do so other times for other chemicals. This is a research & development company after all. Paperwork doesn't scare me.

As for the Whole Foods end of the paperwork, I have no worries. Its all being taken care of. That's the job of my business partner, who got the contract in the first place. This isn't the first time he has done this process.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23669591 - 09/22/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It isn't paperwork that you should be worried about, it's excise tax. Lab grade "denatured" ethanol has small amounts of methanol added to make it unsafe to drink, but still usable as "pure" ethanol. Ethanol that is not denatured is subject to liquor tax and liquor laws, meaning you'll have to pay a pretty steep sum as well as (likely) get yourself a license as an importer or seller of alcoholic beverages.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Kryptos]
    #23670262 - 09/23/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not a beverage nor is tinc taxed as such.  Worst case is you buy rot gut vodka or 190 proof at the liquor store by the pallet load.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: drake89]
    #23674336 - 09/24/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Undenatured-Ethanol-Beverage-Alcohol-CAS-64_50006375107.html

Heres one place I have seen it. There was also another website I found for food grade ethanol in bulk. I think it was marketed for making flavouring extracts. Can't remember the website though.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: ThatZman]
    #23674507 - 09/24/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Undenatured-Ethanol-Beverage-Alcohol-CAS-64_50006375107.html

Heres one place I have seen it. There was also another website I found for food grade ethanol in bulk. I think it was marketed for making flavouring extracts. Can't remember the website though.



Only problem I've been having on Alibaba, is the minimum order size. That one says 16,000 liters.

I'll google around for the one you say is for flavoring extracts :smile:


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23714769 - 10/06/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I would stay clear of the industrial grade ethenol. I mean you could source some 55 gal drums but now you are subject to ATF inspections and you need to keep a log. IME the main downside the flavor, it makes your tinctures a bit rough. I use new Amsterdam vodka which is cheap and smooth, possibly look into buying it from your local liquor store by the pallet to get started. Where do you intend on selling all these bottles? Have you tested the market? Do you have your distribution and sales all set up? Ive made a few hundred bottles and move some here or there but moving 30k is no small task. Making them is the easy part, its selling it that's harder.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23714865 - 10/07/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well, we found a distributor selling for $1.50/liter. That's a hell of a lot better than the liquor store.

I'm used to keeping logs anyways. That isn't out of the ordinary for this lab.

We are going to be selling the bottles at Whole Foods. They are waiting for us to fulfill the order.

Yes, the market was tested, and has shown a tremendous response, far exceeding expectations.

Distribution/Sales: Yep, its all set up.

Selling that many isn't hard, when Whole Foods makes that large of an order. They ordered that much due to how well our overpriced, inferior competitor product they are selling is doing.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23717992 - 10/07/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Selling that many isn't hard, when Whole Foods makes that large of an order. They ordered that much due to how well our overpriced, inferior competitor product they are selling is doing.



What brand?


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: drake89]
    #23719341 - 10/08/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What brand?



My business partner is in charge of that end of the deal. He lets me know the gist of what goes on on his end, and vice versa. I'm just in charge of the mushroom/extraction side of things. I wish I could tell you, but I just don't know. I'll keep that question in mind for when I talk to him next.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23720887 - 10/08/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So do you plan on growing an ass load of reishi monotub or invitro? Or are you just doing mycellium? What species do you plan on doing?


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23721103 - 10/09/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, that's the idea. I'm growing a shitload of Reishi in monotubs, but am doing extractions on both the fruit and the mycelium. I'm also growing Cauliflower mushroom, and Red Banded Polypore, though I'm thinking of swapping that out for Lions Mane or Chaga, if I can get it to culture correctly on my birch substrate.

I'm thinking its best to dump the Red Banded Polypore, as after 3-4 months of daily doses, it can make people piss blood, hemorrhage, and some other nastiness. I can't just trust customers to stop taking it for 2 weeks at the 3 month point to let their cells recharge.

A standard version we may release as well, is Shiitake/Maitake/Reishi/CBD.

We have different formulas, for different goals.


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23740884 - 10/15/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Have you seen my reishi invitro bags? Using just 4-5 lbs of substrate in a XL .5 micron bag 20% bran 80% oak fuel pellets, made a bit on the wet side 65% moisture. You can make 3-5 hundred of em and stack em on wire shelving. I made like 14 of em and now have a large cardboard box filled with 1/2 lb bags of dried antlers. Its around 130-160 g dried per grow bag after 3 months when they hit the filter. You would need to make 3-400 bags depending on how potent your making the tincture. I know my 1oz bottles use about 1.2-1.8g worth of dry reishi each, so that means you need 80-120 lbs of dry fruit.  I'm just thinking all those monos are going to add up $$. Four bags is about the same as a mono and cost about $1.80 in bags with no cleaning when done, time is money. 







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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Gr0wer]
    #23740980 - 10/15/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Have you seen my reishi invitro bags? Using just 4-5 lbs of substrate in a XL .5 micron bag 20% bran 80% oak fuel pellets, made a bit on the wet side 65% moisture. You can make 3-5 hundred of em and stack em on wire shelving. I made like 14 of em and now have a large cardboard box filled with 1/2 lb bags of dried antlers. Its around 130-160 g dried per grow bag after 3 months when they hit the filter. You would need to make 3-400 bags depending on how potent your making the tincture. I know my 1oz bottles use about 1.2-1.8g worth of dry reishi each, so that means you need 80-120 lbs of dry fruit.  I'm just thinking all those monos are going to add up $$. Four bags is about the same as a mono and cost about $1.80 in bags with no cleaning when done, time is money. 









I hadn't seen those before. Thanks for posting about it! I'm currently trying monos with them, but I've got a pile of those bags. I'm going to try your method out, mostly for contam control. Thanks :smile:


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Re: Bulk ethanol [Re: Stargate]
    #23743020 - 10/16/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you're making 5 figure deals with a publically traded company, youre growing in monotubs, and you post about it with several schedule 1 drugs in your signature?

WOW


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    #23743147 - 10/16/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So you're making 5 figure deals with a publically traded company, youre growing in monotubs, and you post about it with several schedule 1 drugs in your signature?

WOW



Yep. I originally was only interested in mushrooms due to not wanting to pay for shrooms, but than I actually fell in love with mycology, and got into growing medicinal mushrooms. I haven't actually grown the illegal kind in years now.

Going from hobby to business is a process of learning. My business partner needed someone who has an obsession with mushrooms, and I needed someone capable of getting me to a level I've never touched before. My signature may have the illegal kind, but I don't have a single gram of them anymore. I depend on people like you to help me learn, and point me in the right directions while I go through this process.

I'm technically out of my league here, but I've got the balls to go through with it, and give it all I've got.


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