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Peteyboy
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Pan Cambo Goliath myc...
#23662381 - 09/20/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a Pan Cambo Goliath dish and jar recently dropped that are showing a bue green color. I'm hoping it's just bruising, but maybe some of you Pan Pros can chime in and give me an expert opinion!
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23662752 - 09/20/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: JacobStorm]
#23662818 - 09/20/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol....I know pan myc bruises real easy and there are beads of clear water or metabolites on top of the myc above the blue/green..I'm just hoping it isn't mold or something
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: JacobStorm]
#23663263 - 09/20/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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did you inoculate with a colonized agar chunk/wedge? and how long did it take for the blue/green color to show up on the mycelium?
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Panarchist]
#23663431 - 09/20/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just started a pan cambo goliath plate too. I have growth but I've never grown pans before.
This is what the plate looks like now...
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Panarchist]
#23664211 - 09/21/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes I used a colonized wedge from the original germination plate. Since it looked clean I dropped the germ plate into grain which is also pictured, the jar I am convinced is just bruising from the shake after tiger drop. The spot on the plate turned that color over the course of a day or so. It also appears to be growing in size, but what is throwing me off is that the color is surrounded by mycellium and there is clear sweat directly over the intense blueing.
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: NumeroEno]
#23664212 - 09/21/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pan myc is really wispy at first but turns into thick bright white tomentose myc that looks very similar to a cloud lol
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23664239 - 09/21/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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so the bluing happened where u made the cut or appeared in a different place after u made the cut?
i've seen pans turn blue on plates and grains, but it usually takes some time.
the leap off on ur grains looks fine so far. if that spot is mold, it should show after ur first shake.
i just tossed a pan jar where this exact thing happened. wish I took a picture. there was clearly mold growth on the edges of the grain leap off in my case though.
I nocced two jars with the same plate, and the second jar is fine…sloppy technique i guess
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BL thank you! I haven't taken a wedge from this plate, I transferred a wedge to it. There is no damage to the myc where it is blueing it just sort of appeared. At first I thought condensation dropped on it but the bubbles look more like metabolites to me. Ok great so if the leap off looks good thats a good sign! I'll just have to keep a close eye on it, if it does turn out to be mold, it should turn green and begin expanding rapidly through the jar?
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23664294 - 09/21/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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not always, some mold is sneaky color-wise.
it will look like tiny threads of slightly grey polyfil spreading thru the grain,condensation usually appears too.
mold contamination makes the grains heat up and get warm as the battle ensues,condensation starts to form internally in jar/bag. with bacteria, even though it may be caused by heat (incubation too high) or caused by condensation (water pooling near bottom preventing mycelium from colonizing),it doesn't really affect the temperature of the substrate like mold can, so condensation rarely forms if that makes sense
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Ok that definitely makes sense to me. I will keep a close eye on that jar. As for the dish, I know that Pans bruise easily sometimes for no reason but doesn't myc typically bruise and sweat like that if it's battling a mold or bacteria?
Edited by Peteyboy (09/21/16 07:47 AM)
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23664311 - 09/21/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said: Pan myc is really wispy at first but turns into thick bright white tomentose myc that looks very similar to a cloud lol
I guess I'll take a couple transfers after work today and see what happens. That print is old and I'll be surprised if I actually get mushroom mycelium from it.
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23664315 - 09/21/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've only seen in vitro cube mycelium blue from a grain shake/wedge cut a handful of times,but they were clean.
sweating, yes, but not on plates that I have seen, just in grain bags/jars that had mold. the "sweating"and condensation are the same thing..always accompanied by heat. u can feel the heat of an infected jar sometimes before u can even see the contamination
pans get a blue-grey hue on substrates (and overlaid casings) with age, even when healthy. i haven't seen them bruise from a shake though, but I'm sure it happens in some cases
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clean spore germination (pan cyan, but will be similar to goliath and other panaeolus)

good conditions in fruiting-no overlay and nice pin spread

bad conditions causing overlay, bluing, and restricted pin spread
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Bluing on agar has happened with some of my PE and wood loving psilocybe varieties. Always just right along the cut. Man I hope that that's mushroom mycelium on the pan plate I made. I do think that if it was mold it would have started sporulating by now though.
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Edited by NumeroEno (09/21/16 08:34 AM)
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: NumeroEno]
#23664347 - 09/21/16 08:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha weird. PE was also the only cube strain I have seen blue from blade cuts.
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blindingleaf said: clean spore germination (pan cyan, but will be similar to goliath and other panaeolus)

good conditions in fruiting-no overlay and nice pin spread

bad conditions causing overlay, bluing, and restricted pin spread

Holey moley that last pic looks insane, I no its not what you want but I gotta say, it looks cool.
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Yeah nice pics BL thank you! Also that last pic does look cool as heck. That happened from not casing properly?
So I guess the verdict is to just drop this plate into some grain and hope for the best while keeping an eye out for mold growth.
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Re: Pan Cambo Goliath myc... [Re: Peteyboy]
#23664369 - 09/21/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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not enough FAE
that was cased twice too
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Haha damn...aggressive colonizers for sure. Can't wait to get to that stage! Thanks for all the help BL!
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