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OfflineAlonzo
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Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics?
    #23662084 - 09/20/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I am curious. If you take mushrooms or LSD, why?

What, if anything, have you learned from your trips?

Would you say psychedelic drugs are simply for "recreational" use?


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23662134 - 09/20/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i take lsd recreationally and spiritually, aswell as mushrooms and mary jane. LSD and dmt is my favorite psycadelic, it opens your eyes, prys them open to life. Unbelievable substances, it has its uses whether its recreational or a deep spiritual trip. It's all set and settingm you can go both ways. Psychadelics change how you process life and time. I don't think you can fight it if you take them, it just becomes you. This life becomes way more insane after you experience something like em


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: rickjamez20]
    #23662162 - 09/20/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Give it a try and you will know exactly why :wink:
Psychedelics let you experience and view things from a different perspective which is not accessible from a sober state of mind. When sober you tend to view things from the same closed minded perspective but when on psychedelics you get a view on things that never seemed possible before. Therefore it is a great tool for growth and development.

They can be used recreationally but there are other drugs that are alot better suited for that purpose.


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Nescobar]
    #23662216 - 09/20/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you do decide to try, imo, you must work with them in the proper context. Sure, they can make you feel good, but they can also make you more aware of what we all truly are, which is energy. If you take enough, your ego or your sense of self and all that you are, ceases to exist and you become all that is everything and all that is "no thing".

Do not take them lightly. There are people so attached to this physical reality that an ego shattering experience drives them of a cliff, sometimes literally.

That's why I take mushrooms, to crush my ego and feel some sort of connection to the source.

In a nutshell. :drysmash:


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23662387 - 09/20/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For me it made me appreciate my life even more, love myself even more, accepting myself. i have stopped drinking, dont care what people think of me because in the end if they have a problem with me they will say it :smile:.

At the moment i can say i found many answers but not enough ( i thought i got everything i needed but after a certain trip [months after i thought i found my answers] many things came to me that i didnt even know i had.

Going to do around 640ug ( tabs say 111ug but am assuming by the time they reach, it will decrease )

Going to do it soon for 2 reasons:

1) Try to astral project.
2) Getting hit hard by answers ( not expecting it but hoping for it )
3) Reach a new level


Edited by UniversePotato (09/20/16 05:01 PM)


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: UniversePotato]
    #23662702 - 09/20/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I get that being high on drugs can be “fun” for some people, but I’m more interested in what can be learnt from going on an LSD or mushroom trip.

I never tried psychedelics or any other recreational drug, and I don’t know how or even if they can expand your mind.

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Psilocybin profoundly alters consciousness, rearranging the brain so that new connections between neurons are made, and accessing them becomes easier…“People often describe taking psilocybin as producing a dreamlike state,” Robin Carhart-Harris, a researcher who studies psilocybin, told Reuters earlier this year. Meanwhile, with the activity in the emotion region of the brain working at full-force, the area that helps us find a sense of self-awareness (the ego) goes quiet.

These effects are gone within five to 10 hours, however, the enlightenment they bring is long-lasting. Studies have shown that the psilocybin in mushrooms may be an effective chemical for treating post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, and anxiety. In a 2011 study, researchers enlisted 12 participants suffering from an advanced stage of cancer, and diagnosed with acute stress disorder or anxiety disorder. After giving them either a small dose of psilocybin, niacin (it induces a mild psychological reaction), or a placebo, they found that those who took psilocybin alleviated some stress, as measured by the STAI anxiety subscale. These effects were consistent up to three months after treatment.




Okay…So research says people on these drugs have reduced their stress, anxiety, and depression.
GOOD. But what I want to know is whether these drugs can give you insights to big questions like does mankind have a specific destiny or why do we have the specific lives and bodies we have?

I’m concerned that experiences on mushrooms and other hallucinogenics don’t provide enlightenment, but rather a temporary mood boost. Sure the drugs could help you feel better, but I’m skeptical whether they’re anything better than something that comforts and keeps you occupied such as an addicting game, hobby, or fantasy book.


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23662736 - 09/20/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also, if an average trip is between 5-10 hours, realistically wouldn't you just be high in a room doing nothing? I mean, 5-10 hours can be a very long time to waste. What do you do after coming out of the trip? Go back to sleep?


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    #23662754 - 09/20/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/06/16 02:44 AM)


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: ruaware]
    #23662834 - 09/20/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ruaware said:
You don't take psychedelics and get told the answers and secrets to the universe. There are no answers.

It's more of a personal thing.




A personal thing?


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23662839 - 09/20/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I use them for spiritual experience exclusively. And what i mean by that is i don't really like or need to get high for fun. But when i take shrooms, it's in the total dark by myself lying on my back with my eyes closed in my bedroom. I always pray first that things will go well, the moment i feel myself leaving my body I yell out in my mind "where are you God" and i go looking for god, that's when things get really amazing. I'm not going to go into details about what happens, they are way to personal to share with people who may doubt me or make fun of me.

So for me, "is there a purpose for psychedelics?" Damn right there is, they help to facilitate the most spiritual experiences I have ever had. I'm talking about stuff like you read about in the bible. The most amazing, Beautiful and wonderful stuff.


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: ruaware]
    #23662840 - 09/20/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Personal interaction with your subconscious mind. Any issues you've been repressing will come to the surface and you can use that mindset to better yourself. It teaches you how to look at life in a different way that is more....organic to our conciousness. That's what they give me anyway, an alternate way to go on a bit longer. If you're trying to get places with meditation psyche's can be useful for that as well.


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23662861 - 09/20/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Alonzo said:
I get that being high on drugs can be “fun” for some people, but I’m more interested in what can be learnt from going on an LSD or mushroom trip.

I never tried psychedelics or any other recreational drug, and I don’t know how or even if they can expand your mind.

Described on Medicaldaily,

Quote:

Psilocybin profoundly alters consciousness, rearranging the brain so that new connections between neurons are made, and accessing them becomes easier…“People often describe taking psilocybin as producing a dreamlike state,” Robin Carhart-Harris, a researcher who studies psilocybin, told Reuters earlier this year. Meanwhile, with the activity in the emotion region of the brain working at full-force, the area that helps us find a sense of self-awareness (the ego) goes quiet.

These effects are gone within five to 10 hours, however, the enlightenment they bring is long-lasting. Studies have shown that the psilocybin in mushrooms may be an effective chemical for treating post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, and anxiety. In a 2011 study, researchers enlisted 12 participants suffering from an advanced stage of cancer, and diagnosed with acute stress disorder or anxiety disorder. After giving them either a small dose of psilocybin, niacin (it induces a mild psychological reaction), or a placebo, they found that those who took psilocybin alleviated some stress, as measured by the STAI anxiety subscale. These effects were consistent up to three months after treatment.




whether these drugs can give you insights to big questions.




I "used" to be a depressed person :smile:.

I had these questions where i'd say "why would people want to steal :?(used to keep my shelves locked in a house i rent in)" later that moment i realized that humans who do that dont feel the least bit of shame about doing that so i had to start locking all my shelves for that ( does this answer it ? ).

Lsd makes your brain activity increase by alot! thus slowing time ( 5 minutes could feel like 20-30 minutes ). This is where lsd comes to play, it gives you time ( alot of it as in spiritual hours ) where you could think about anything as in how to deal with your current problems and fix them.

Lsd is not to be taken lightly as it is a medicine for the soul ( as albert hoffman said ). a little as 100ug ( first timers dose ) it could expand your conscious mind and see the better of the world even when sometimes it isnt. It makes you accept the people around you.

I used to be a heavy gamer (atleast 5+ hours everyday) but ever since i tried lsd the 2nd time! not the first! it made me think about it like what am i doing in life by just playing videogames, its not like am going to make a career out of it and it is just a waste of my precious time! now i just play for max 30 minutes to 1 hour and thats it. Its been 2 weeks since i played any video game :smile:

My first time when i tried it ( had 100ug ), it made me feel so big ( as in i am here for a reason and am very important and feeling blessed that i was alive, just being alive is something ). It was this time when i first tried it and i was depressed at the time but ever since i took it, i have a different appreciation in life. So later after the effects were wearing down ( around the 7th hour ), i go into my room ( its a rented room in a house ) and see the walls are just too dam dirty and i was so disgusted, am like i really cant live here anymore. So next month i move out of the house and found me a clean/tidy/quiet house and it felt GOOD!!

Tell me if you need anything else bud :laugh:


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: UniversePotato]
    #23663105 - 09/20/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Spiritual and recreational it just depends on the psychedelic mindstate and really the subjectivity of human conciousness


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: UniversePotato]
    #23666384 - 09/21/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

UniversePotato said:
Quote:

Alonzo said:
I get that being high on drugs can be “fun” for some people, but I’m more interested in what can be learnt from going on an LSD or mushroom trip.

I never tried psychedelics or any other recreational drug, and I don’t know how or even if they can expand your mind.

Described on Medicaldaily,

Quote:

Psilocybin profoundly alters consciousness, rearranging the brain so that new connections between neurons are made, and accessing them becomes easier…“People often describe taking psilocybin as producing a dreamlike state,” Robin Carhart-Harris, a researcher who studies psilocybin, told Reuters earlier this year. Meanwhile, with the activity in the emotion region of the brain working at full-force, the area that helps us find a sense of self-awareness (the ego) goes quiet.

These effects are gone within five to 10 hours, however, the enlightenment they bring is long-lasting. Studies have shown that the psilocybin in mushrooms may be an effective chemical for treating post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, and anxiety. In a 2011 study, researchers enlisted 12 participants suffering from an advanced stage of cancer, and diagnosed with acute stress disorder or anxiety disorder. After giving them either a small dose of psilocybin, niacin (it induces a mild psychological reaction), or a placebo, they found that those who took psilocybin alleviated some stress, as measured by the STAI anxiety subscale. These effects were consistent up to three months after treatment.




whether these drugs can give you insights to big questions.




I "used" to be a depressed person :smile:.

I had these questions where i'd say "why would people want to steal :?(used to keep my shelves locked in a house i rent in)" later that moment i realized that humans who do that dont feel the least bit of shame about doing that so i had to start locking all my shelves for that ( does this answer it ? ).

Lsd makes your brain activity increase by alot! thus slowing time ( 5 minutes could feel like 20-30 minutes ). This is where lsd comes to play, it gives you time ( alot of it as in spiritual hours ) where you could think about anything as in how to deal with your current problems and fix them.

Lsd is not to be taken lightly as it is a medicine for the soul ( as albert hoffman said ). a little as 100ug ( first timers dose ) it could expand your conscious mind and see the better of the world even when sometimes it isnt. It makes you accept the people around you.

I used to be a heavy gamer (atleast 5+ hours everyday) but ever since i tried lsd the 2nd time! not the first! it made me think about it like what am i doing in life by just playing videogames, its not like am going to make a career out of it and it is just a waste of my precious time! now i just play for max 30 minutes to 1 hour and thats it. Its been 2 weeks since i played any video game :smile:

My first time when i tried it ( had 100ug ), it made me feel so big ( as in i am here for a reason and am very important and feeling blessed that i was alive, just being alive is something ). It was this time when i first tried it and i was depressed at the time but ever since i took it, i have a different appreciation in life. So later after the effects were wearing down ( around the 7th hour ), i go into my room ( its a rented room in a house ) and see the walls are just too dam dirty and i was so disgusted, am like i really cant live here anymore. So next month i move out of the house and found me a clean/tidy/quiet house and it felt GOOD!!

Tell me if you need anything else bud :laugh:




The idea of taking mushrooms makes me highly curious. It sounds to me like it's a way of escaping reality and just temporarily changing your day-to-day perception. And research does say people can and do benefit from psychedelics, but then why are they illegal?


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23666559 - 09/21/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can think of many reasons to trip. Deeper insight/introspection, healing trauma, visual hallucination, euphoria, to experience ego disillusion.


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23666618 - 09/21/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Alonzo said:
The idea of taking mushrooms makes me highly curious. It sounds to me like it's a way of escaping reality and just temporarily changing your day-to-day perception. And research does say people can and do benefit from psychedelics, but then why are they illegal?




They are illegal because they are a way of escaping reality and just temporarily changing your day-to-day perception. And research does say people can and do benefit from psychedelics.


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: fractaloctopus]
    #23666813 - 09/21/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In the words of a revered psychonaut;

"Psychedelics are illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behaviour and information processing. They open you up to the possibility that everything you know is wrong." -Terence McKenna


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    #23666816 - 09/21/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ShadeOfDeepPurple said:
I can think of many reasons to trip. Deeper insight/introspection, healing trauma, visual hallucination, euphoria, to experience ego disillusion.



Don't forget out of body fun..


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Re: Is there a use or purpose for psychedelics? [Re: Alonzo]
    #23668801 - 09/22/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)






The idea of taking mushrooms makes me highly curious. It sounds to me like it's a way of escaping reality and just temporarily changing your day-to-day perception. And research does say people can and do benefit from psychedelics, but then why are they illegal?





before i start talking about it from a different perspective, they are illegal because some idiots like to drive while on the effect which is actually very dangerous. Some of them probably dosed on it and started thinking why am alive so he killed himself but seriously why do people lack common sense when it comes to this ? common sense should be classified as a super power !! those who actually kill themselves or drive are nothing but idiots ( no offense to anyone here but you know its true )

The government dont want us (psychedelic users) to expand our consciousness and see the world for what it is and how corrupt it is by the government.

People could actually stop smoking/drinking/etc.. when doing this but guess what, the government will also stop getting tax money from such things.

To tell you, not all governments are controlled by the government people ( maybe not a single government is controlled by the government people but this is just a theory i made ) but its controlled by the 1% richest humans in the world. The rothschild family has more than 500 trillion dollars ( yes trillion ) and they control alot of things are they actually around or more than half the worlds money and they dont want to start losing money because of a drug.

One more thing to let you know, that alot of lsd can cause overdose but guess what, you need to take around 12,000 ug ( thats 120 tabs with 100ug ). its true, barely anyone died from lsd overdose and those who did overdose did survive but why not ban alcohol/cigarettes ? to put it this way ( from my point of view ), All they want from you is money and dont care about your health ( die or not, not our problem but its not illegal... ).

LSD is not something you "need". its more like you "want". You like tv so you  "want" to sit down and watch for hours but you dont "need" to. tolerance in lsd builds up very fast, one cant trip everyday as the effect gets weaker and weaker ( so useless right ? ) but if you want the full effect ( which everyone wants :wink: ) you will have to wait atleast 4 days to a week and no its not addictive like heroin or whatever other drugs other than psychedelics


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