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The importance of an even substrate level
    #23661510 - 09/20/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys, so things are slowly progressing here. Now I think I finaly realize why it's so important for the substrate to be even. What I found is the areas around the perimiter where it's more shallow, those shroomies sprouted first and are growing taller faster.

What I'm thinking is I'll have to harvest those 1st, right? I honestly don't want any caps opening at all before the 1st flush is through, and I've been watching the veils on those around the edges closely.

So what do you think, just keep an eye out and harvest those 1st, wait for the middle area to catch up, and then once I harvest the entire 1st flush, then I can dunk and start things up for the 2nd flush? This hole project is just for research after all! Thanks for all the in put by the way! -Tim



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661536 - 09/20/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well side pins are caused because conditions are better on the sides proper fae/ge and proper misting of the surface will help but on ms you will always get fruits that finish first ive been picking some tubs for a few days now ... you may not need to dunk just depends on if it looks really dry but i doubt you will need a full dunk just heavy mist maybe pour a pint down the sides


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661538 - 09/20/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: ForResearch]
    #23661544 - 09/20/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks noob. So what do you think I should do as of right now? I honestly only misted a couple times so far, because I still see glistening droplets all over substrate. I cut all my poly pieces in half yesterday to allow better fae, and I try and lift the glass a few times a day, to give a quick updraft and fuller air exchange.

It tough to tell from the top pic but there's actually a lot of action in the middle - here's a little more detail of the center.



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661561 - 09/20/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You had it right pick the mature ones and let the others finish ... every thing looks good besides that man just keep doing what you have been ... that tub seems like it will get enough light through the sides ... i did see some of the lower poly seems pretty loose the only ones you should adjust is the top unless the bottoms are way too tight but as long as you can keep moisture right you can fruit in open air so dont change anything youre looking good


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661569 - 09/20/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nice thanks dude! I have the top poly pieces really small and loose. There smaller than a cotton ball, and I have it at the point where if you just press your finger on it, would go right through the hole.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661574 - 09/20/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya sounds good the moisture beads are good honestly i wouldnt use the glass just in case you bump it light is beneficial but not a main pinning trigger the light from the side is fine


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661589 - 09/20/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You sure though? Because the lid is like sunglasses lenses. I doubt it has UV protection but it definitely dims what can penetrate. The reason why you can so clearly in these pics, is because there'a a few really bright fluorenscent bulbs directly above shining through clear glass.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661602 - 09/20/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh you got them on top i remember you said about the tub... fahtster uses sticky saran and tapes the middle i would use something other then glass but im clumsy someome with more experience might chime in on that part about the lighting and tub transparency


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661604 - 09/20/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK cool, thanks for all the tips though I appreciate it!

I'm not especially worried about bumping into it because of how everything is situated, and how the glass fits very nicely on top of it. I'd literally have to be sleep walking to bump it over and I haven't done anything like that for a long while! haha


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661638 - 09/20/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Haha my cousin would trip me out when he would


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661647 - 09/20/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol it's weird. If I'd been sleep walking lately, I am sure I would of already sabotaged this project by now. If my math is correct, this is day 56 since inoculating. But I think I definitely wasted almost a week when my bags were colonizing and hit a point of stagnant growth. The myc lost some of the bright white pasty color, but I'm glad I was able to recover it. :cool:


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661657 - 09/20/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats a long time man ? But you taped your holes huh? If my spawn is done in 2 weeks im usually harvesting 2 weeks later but i fruit at spawning thats good you got the myc to work for you definitely a let down throwing jars/bags away


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661688 - 09/20/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I had the holes taped shut with duck tape after spawning, but it was amazing how fast the myc bounced back after that. Since the spawn was seemingly weak, I went heavy on the ratio. I was originally planning on 1:2 but ut might be something 1 : 1.75 which I think helped. It was visibly eating through the top layer of straight coir by the next day!

Another thing about the glass. I'm not sure if this could be a benefit or not, but the way my tub is, there's a really small gap from where the handles are. It's about 4" wide and less than 1/16" deep. So when there's glass sitting on top instead of the lid, this gap is open. I didn't know if it would be an issue, so after putting the glass on I taped the gap shut with duck tape. Here's a pic below. Do you think I should keep these gaps open on each side, or just keep the tape on for now?



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661696 - 09/20/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the more air the better really and i always run 1:1 5 qts to 5 qts.. do you have spawn colonizing now? Or are you planning on running another tub right away or what?


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661719 - 09/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK that sounds cool, maybe I'll take the tape off then. The only worry I have is if any fruit flies get in there, but I cleaned the hell outta my kitchen yesterday where they originate from. Nothing else colonizing just yet, I had been waiting to see how this here panned out, but I'm pumped things are finally looking good!


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661732 - 09/20/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya they are little bitches haha i always make grain when my tubs flush that way as i throw tubs out im making more because it takes so long if youre not ready you know


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661757 - 09/20/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I just came up with the perfect solution! I took the tape off (also noticed the gap is probably closer to 1/8"), and I folded up a couple small sections of napkin, which easily slides into the gaps. So it will definitely keep flies out, but I figure it will also allow more air to get through than duck tape.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661758 - 09/20/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya thatll work haha what are you growing again b+?


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661814 - 09/20/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Amazon! It's what I grew last time in-vitro and had great results. I also had a syringe of Ecuador that I squirted all in 2 bags, but there was TOO MUCH moisture and the bags both went wet. The 3 Amazon were nearly at that point too, but thank God I saved them haha


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661819 - 09/20/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh right on never tried those yet but with all the ones i have i can see why a cube is a cube they look mostly the same besides a few


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661996 - 09/20/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm really not sure what's up with this, but that 1st fruit body tipped over a little while ago, and I can now see that there's 2 big rhizo knots on each side of it's head. Tell me it's not a little weird?! Also does it look like the veil broke, and if so I should probably pick it soon, right?



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23662062 - 09/20/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya id pick it thats just myc probably from the sub hitching a ride


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23662992 - 09/20/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I picked it not long after that noob. I didn't do any drying setup just for the 1, so I stuck it in my AC vent lol. It's crazy how fast they dry though, because after just the 5 or so hours, it's already at less than 50% of the original weight!


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23663029 - 09/20/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You dont have a dehydrater?


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23663034 - 09/20/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I do but I don't wanna fire it up just for that 1. (it was only 2.5g fresh)


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23663036 - 09/20/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really only 2 grams? Looked like it would of been atleast 12 from the pic i throw mine in no matter what you shpuld of munched it to test potency if you had a body fry from it you know the rest will be good


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23663042 - 09/20/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's a good idea haha. I was thinking it was gonna weight more too, but it was only a little longer than 3". I have a feeling I'm gonna end up with mini-shroomies, because my sub is only 2.5" deep max. I didn't do enough planning lol


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23663057 - 09/20/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya that will do it i noticed my subs on the smaller side push out smaller fruits its weird


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23663066 - 09/20/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I figure the smaller ones will have to at least pack the same punch, percentage wise right? Maybe I'll pick a few more so I can have ~10g fresh and then sample that. Probably not a bad plan right? :mushroom2: :cool:


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23663088 - 09/20/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Haha not in my book you could wait for the other side pins to mature prob tomorrow morning 10 grams fresh would be a gram or so dry if they are descent they will give you a good body fry maybe light visuals ... from what i heard the small ones usually are more potent


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23668351 - 09/22/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if I'm jumping to conclusions here; but in an area of my sub where there are no pins, I may see a very slight green in a spot. Is there any type of preventative measure I can take here; if it is what I hope it isn't?

I've been taking the top off lately too; for maybe a half-hour, here and there. I don't know if that's a bad or possibly contributing factor, but that's why I like the input!


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668495 - 09/22/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Take a pic it could be bruising or it could be trich if your sub is fully colonized some people leave the lids off for more fae if its trich its because your spawn was bad or you had bad coir but show a pic


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23668518 - 09/22/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Here it is - no other spots like it; but please consider I've already put a dab of isopropyl directly on top [which may have affected the color more; not sure]



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668523 - 09/22/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like brusing to me dont spray iso on your sub even if it is trich the only thing with trich is salt paste but mist the thing pretty heavy looks really dry


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23668527 - 09/22/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

True; I wasn't sure about the dryness because I overmisted the other night and I think I almost waterlogged some of the shroomies. Their caps turnt white and fuzzy and they seem to have aborted, but I harvested them promptly after.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668534 - 09/22/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You want nice beads of water on top you may have too much fae and your sub may have been on the dry side


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23668546 - 09/22/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I really am trying to find the sweet spot; but it seems I'm making my tweaks in too extreme a manner


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668564 - 09/22/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just gave a good misting and am taking the top off,  for a bit..

(and about the iso, I definitely didn't spray it lol I just literally put a very small dab directly on that 1 spot)


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668569 - 09/22/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya same here how are you making your subs man ?? A light squeeze should give you drips... take a pic of it let me see how it looks


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23668580 - 09/22/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Full birds-eye view, sir. I followed Damion's bucket-tek; but only with 1/2 the ingredients. I tried to compensate for a faster drop in temperature by keeping the bucket on top of a plate, on top of a boiling pot of water on the stove [for an hour I think]


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668597 - 09/22/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Looks good i would keep the top on just open your top holes if the sub has beads and glistens its good just keep the top poly in and let it ride


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23668604 - 09/22/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, thanks noob. N  ow that I'm using the glass most of the time, I also have the option of repositioning the orientation of it to "open up" areas in the corners. This will provide additional fae to whatever degree you'd want, but I'm not sure if doing that is any good


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668607 - 09/22/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You only want alot more fae if the sub is really wet or you have time to mist alot more


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    #23668616 - 09/22/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nice, I'll keep an eye out. THanks again noob!


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23668631 - 09/22/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No worries man


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23673403 - 09/24/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

SO I think I went too loose with my poly. The tiny shroomies in the vicinity of the lower holes seem to have mostly aborted. I have to do a mini cleanup harvest soon. I took out those lower pieces of poly though, and replaced with pieces roughly twice as big, so I'll see how that turns out. Other than that the colony is surviving nicely, even if the fruits aren't especially robust in size.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23673408 - 09/24/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)




No side pins
No liners(mixed tub is kind of lined tho)
Clear sides

Level substrate. Adequate fae, clean spawn, and good genetics
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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23673441 - 09/24/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How about my poly though? Any input/diagnosis on that?


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23673513 - 09/24/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't like modified tubs. Have you seen frankhorrigan's thread how to dial in your monotub properly?

Here's what I do, don't jump ship now but realize humidity is far less important than air exchange
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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23673522 - 09/24/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've heard "of" it and recognize the title, but I don't remember any of the specifics. I like simplicity though; I'm aiming for the sweet spot. Regardless though, as long I'm growing shroomies that can absolutely trip me out - then I've already won the game. But at the same time, I'd like to keep playing; to become a better player. Know what I mean


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23675056 - 09/24/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Bump for Alin [do Google search] hehe


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    #23675074 - 09/24/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



PROtip: the drugs that you use one of those for are bad for you. Come back when they wear off.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23675094 - 09/24/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

v.


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    #23675098 - 09/24/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23675102 - 09/24/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23675105 - 09/24/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23675153 - 09/24/16 08:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23675167 - 09/24/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really man?? Chill out


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23675185 - 09/24/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im sure everyone saw but so no one else does i would... all you did was show your ass if thats how you act drunk and high i would keep to yourself till youre straight again


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    #23675202 - 09/24/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23675211 - 09/24/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im 29 bro. And been on my own for 15 years just saying these threads are for cult not drunken highness go to the pub and no one will mind hope to see you "back" tomorrow


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23675219 - 09/24/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:marioban:

I'm guessing this wouldn't be the first time.  You are seriously pissing me off


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