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The importance of an even substrate level
    #23661510 - 09/20/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys, so things are slowly progressing here. Now I think I finaly realize why it's so important for the substrate to be even. What I found is the areas around the perimiter where it's more shallow, those shroomies sprouted first and are growing taller faster.

What I'm thinking is I'll have to harvest those 1st, right? I honestly don't want any caps opening at all before the 1st flush is through, and I've been watching the veils on those around the edges closely.

So what do you think, just keep an eye out and harvest those 1st, wait for the middle area to catch up, and then once I harvest the entire 1st flush, then I can dunk and start things up for the 2nd flush? This hole project is just for research after all! Thanks for all the in put by the way! -Tim



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661536 - 09/20/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well side pins are caused because conditions are better on the sides proper fae/ge and proper misting of the surface will help but on ms you will always get fruits that finish first ive been picking some tubs for a few days now ... you may not need to dunk just depends on if it looks really dry but i doubt you will need a full dunk just heavy mist maybe pour a pint down the sides


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661538 - 09/20/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: ForResearch]
    #23661544 - 09/20/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks noob. So what do you think I should do as of right now? I honestly only misted a couple times so far, because I still see glistening droplets all over substrate. I cut all my poly pieces in half yesterday to allow better fae, and I try and lift the glass a few times a day, to give a quick updraft and fuller air exchange.

It tough to tell from the top pic but there's actually a lot of action in the middle - here's a little more detail of the center.



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661561 - 09/20/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You had it right pick the mature ones and let the others finish ... every thing looks good besides that man just keep doing what you have been ... that tub seems like it will get enough light through the sides ... i did see some of the lower poly seems pretty loose the only ones you should adjust is the top unless the bottoms are way too tight but as long as you can keep moisture right you can fruit in open air so dont change anything youre looking good


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661569 - 09/20/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nice thanks dude! I have the top poly pieces really small and loose. There smaller than a cotton ball, and I have it at the point where if you just press your finger on it, would go right through the hole.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661574 - 09/20/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya sounds good the moisture beads are good honestly i wouldnt use the glass just in case you bump it light is beneficial but not a main pinning trigger the light from the side is fine


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661589 - 09/20/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You sure though? Because the lid is like sunglasses lenses. I doubt it has UV protection but it definitely dims what can penetrate. The reason why you can so clearly in these pics, is because there'a a few really bright fluorenscent bulbs directly above shining through clear glass.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661602 - 09/20/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh you got them on top i remember you said about the tub... fahtster uses sticky saran and tapes the middle i would use something other then glass but im clumsy someome with more experience might chime in on that part about the lighting and tub transparency


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661604 - 09/20/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK cool, thanks for all the tips though I appreciate it!

I'm not especially worried about bumping into it because of how everything is situated, and how the glass fits very nicely on top of it. I'd literally have to be sleep walking to bump it over and I haven't done anything like that for a long while! haha


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661638 - 09/20/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Haha my cousin would trip me out when he would


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661647 - 09/20/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol it's weird. If I'd been sleep walking lately, I am sure I would of already sabotaged this project by now. If my math is correct, this is day 56 since inoculating. But I think I definitely wasted almost a week when my bags were colonizing and hit a point of stagnant growth. The myc lost some of the bright white pasty color, but I'm glad I was able to recover it. :cool:


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661657 - 09/20/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats a long time man ? But you taped your holes huh? If my spawn is done in 2 weeks im usually harvesting 2 weeks later but i fruit at spawning thats good you got the myc to work for you definitely a let down throwing jars/bags away


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661688 - 09/20/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I had the holes taped shut with duck tape after spawning, but it was amazing how fast the myc bounced back after that. Since the spawn was seemingly weak, I went heavy on the ratio. I was originally planning on 1:2 but ut might be something 1 : 1.75 which I think helped. It was visibly eating through the top layer of straight coir by the next day!

Another thing about the glass. I'm not sure if this could be a benefit or not, but the way my tub is, there's a really small gap from where the handles are. It's about 4" wide and less than 1/16" deep. So when there's glass sitting on top instead of the lid, this gap is open. I didn't know if it would be an issue, so after putting the glass on I taped the gap shut with duck tape. Here's a pic below. Do you think I should keep these gaps open on each side, or just keep the tape on for now?



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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661696 - 09/20/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the more air the better really and i always run 1:1 5 qts to 5 qts.. do you have spawn colonizing now? Or are you planning on running another tub right away or what?


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661719 - 09/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK that sounds cool, maybe I'll take the tape off then. The only worry I have is if any fruit flies get in there, but I cleaned the hell outta my kitchen yesterday where they originate from. Nothing else colonizing just yet, I had been waiting to see how this here panned out, but I'm pumped things are finally looking good!


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661732 - 09/20/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya they are little bitches haha i always make grain when my tubs flush that way as i throw tubs out im making more because it takes so long if youre not ready you know


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661757 - 09/20/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I just came up with the perfect solution! I took the tape off (also noticed the gap is probably closer to 1/8"), and I folded up a couple small sections of napkin, which easily slides into the gaps. So it will definitely keep flies out, but I figure it will also allow more air to get through than duck tape.


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: rjstim]
    #23661758 - 09/20/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya thatll work haha what are you growing again b+?


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Re: The importance of an even substrate level [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23661814 - 09/20/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Amazon! It's what I grew last time in-vitro and had great results. I also had a syringe of Ecuador that I squirted all in 2 bags, but there was TOO MUCH moisture and the bags both went wet. The 3 Amazon were nearly at that point too, but thank God I saved them haha


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