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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23661978 - 09/20/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh I see. Yeah I didnt catch that from what you said thanks :thumbup:


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Re: whats going on here [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23662005 - 09/20/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Alright good to know. I had a quart jar fully colonize about 12 days ago and have 3 more finishing this week. Didn't wanna ruin my other 3 with it spawning.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Thedenthead]
    #23675116 - 09/24/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Update

I isolated the tub away from the others.

There is a pin growing from underneath the surface. Is this possibly overlay?



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Re: whats going on here [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23675191 - 09/24/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know what it is, but your sub surface looks fucked


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Kenetic]
    #23675209 - 09/24/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know what it is, but your sub surface looks fucked




Thats why I put it in the garage. Im going to dispose of it tomorrow.

Just wanted share the latest picture of it.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23675240 - 09/24/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Update

I isolated the tub away from the others.

There is a pin growing from underneath the surface. Is this possibly overlay?






Holy shit... that... appears to be overlay.  What the fuck?  Knowing cubensis don't do that on their own, that has to be contaminated as FUCK.

Let it go for science.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23675270 - 09/24/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ill let it go for science then.

I quickly realized it was at least a little bit bacterial. I thought it was going to trich out but it hasnt.

This tub was exposed to extreme temperature swings due to unforseen circumstances. Highs 95-98 or 99 degrees Fahrenheit and lows 58-around 70.

Maybe that allowed the bacteria to get a huge foothold over the mycellium...

Anyway, i just wanted to share.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23675507 - 09/24/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I only say let it go because so far it doesn't seem to be moldy, or, at least if it is, it doesn't seem to have sporulated.  I'd definitely isolate it any from any other projects.  But I'm also curious to see if other pins poke through the surface.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23683714 - 09/27/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

UPDATE



More pins growing from underneath the overlay


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Re: whats going on here [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23683942 - 09/27/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: whats going on here [Re: morty422]
    #23684204 - 09/27/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

WHY ISN'T ANYONE POSTING IN HERE?  OP are you SURE this is cubensis?  It looks a lot more like panaeolus.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23684223 - 09/27/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

100% SURE

I wonder how many pins will come through...

Its sounds stupid im sure but i thought about taking a sample of the overlay and putting it to agar. Just curiosity.

I dont think it would have fruited well to begin with being that they were abused bacterial jars but the pins coming through seem healthy enough

Im not an expert though

Afterthought: is it possible while overlay is "bad"(lack off better way to put it), its possibly not as detrimental as with Pan.Cyans and others ive read about?

Again, not an expert


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Re: whats going on here [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23684253 - 09/27/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well overlay is bad whenever it happens but cubes just don't really get it.  In fact seeing the word overlay so many times in a post is giving me a nervous tic.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23684303 - 09/27/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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In fact seeing the word overlay so many times in a post is giving me a nervous tic.




Haha that actually made me laugh.

Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean by cubes dont really get it?


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Re: whats going on here [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23684323 - 09/27/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Overlay is a state where the myc colonizes over the pinning platform and the pinset forms underneath. This means the pins either have to burst up through it or abort. Usually they abort. Overlay is species dependant and cubes is not a species that develops it.

Overlay with pan cyan, the casing is about a half inch under the mat.



You can see the pins forming under the overlay in a few open spots. It's something you will never see with cubes.




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Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.

A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. :lol:

What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.

I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day.  Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay.  Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon.
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We know that high CO2 levels, incorrect temps, etc causes overlay.




Not hardly.  I've only seen overlay once or twice in 40 years.  If you wish to describe what you're seeing, we can help diagnose it, but I can almost guarantee that you're not seeing overlay.
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By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.

Unless my eyes are deceiving me, there's a shit ton of hyphal knots all over that surface.  I'd wrinkle up a piece of wax paper, and then flatten it mostly back out and lay over the top of the tray.  Lift it to fan and/or mist of course.
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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23684374 - 09/27/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That picture looks just like my tub...

If thats not what it is, given they are busting out from underneath and not off the surface, what is it

Just taking a prime opportunity to learn about something i have never encounterd until now. Knowledge is an important tool.

Also, i have read all those posts from RR and others. Hence my thread title and my questions.

Im very skeptic on the point of having a tub of cubes with overlay.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: lvnthalife]
    #23684381 - 09/27/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The mycelium there REALLY looks like panaeolus myc more than cubensis.  I don't really know what to say other than that..


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23684399 - 09/27/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So I'm going with Inoc's conclusion.
We know that Cubensis do not produce Overlay (at worst they colonize the casing).
Being as we know Cubes not to Overlay, we have to look at secondary signals for diagnosis. The thick, cottage cheese like growths (where distinguishing growths becomes difficult to identify), where growths appear less linear/organized, you have wound up with essentially a yoga mat of mycelium/bacterial mycelium covering most all of the sub. IMLE this would result in somewhere around a 30% BE. So, about 1/4-1/3oz per quart of spawned (give or take.) Sorry dude.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: dankington]
    #23684423 - 09/27/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've just never seen cubensis myc become so perfectly bacterial that it looks like THAT.  All kinds of other shit usually starts happening before that point would be possible.  Compare it to Pasty's pic of pan overlay and it's uncanny.


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Re: whats going on here [Re: Inocuole]
    #23684424 - 09/27/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm literally in shock that there is no visible mold. Not even white fluffy shit.


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