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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sudly] 1
#23895842 - 12/05/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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so wait? who are the terrorists here? you should be referring to the US government who has sold out to big business and attempted to pursue their own economic interests on a sovereign territory. Aggressors are the "terrorists"; the U.S, every time. You don't achieve global hegemony by being a great force for good you achieve it by telling your own population your a force for good when in reality your goals are complete domination of the economics, politics, and socio-cultural fabric of other societies without caring about death and despair. The American populous are the only people who have given in to terrorism - your own government.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: anthiawe]
#23895846 - 12/05/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't call anyone involved in DAPL or the protests against it a terrorist.
I would call the situation a corporate agenda that stems from Citizens United which classifies corporations as human beings and grants them access to tax loopholes.
It just goes to shoes that profiteering shouldn't be the only agenda in politics.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54]
#23895969 - 12/05/16 06:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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My understanding is that if there is a spill, fewer people will be affected.
And the US loves to fuck the Indians so they're the ones that get to take up the A$$.
So, you got nothing.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54]
#23896039 - 12/05/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: As it's not on their reservation, it's immaterial.
reservation does not equal unceded land. There is a distinction you are missing.
so youre saying that the long history of abuse against native americans is immaterial?
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luvdemshrooms said: My understanding is that if there is a spill, fewer people will be affected.
Can you show me evidence to that affect?
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sweeper54 said: Army Corps Denies Easement For Dakota Access Pipeline
The pipeline is shut down and they have to find a new fucking route.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/04/504354503/army-corps-denies-easement-for-dakota-access-pipeline-says-tribal-organization
Put THAT in your peace pipe and smoke it.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Crumist]
#23896069 - 12/05/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crumist said: December 5 was the day the pipeland swore to move all the camps, I hope everyone stays safe out there.
And not that it will change a single mind, but: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/police-violence-against-native-americans-goes-far-beyond-standing-rock/
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For instance, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Native Americans were killed by police at a rate of 0.21 per 100,000 from 1999 to 2014, and African-Americans (who outnumber Native Americans roughly 10 to 1) were killed at a rate of 0.25 per 100,000.2
interesting read. so fucked up. I bet qman would see stats like this as showing genetic predisposition towards crime .
nowadays people are like 'seee, you should have empathised with the suffering white working class. whites can have a hard time for a few decades and then vocally unleash their butthurt on society...while forgetting that other groups, who have been suffering for centuries, have a tiny fraction of the means to make their suffering heard. The double standards are staggering. Look at the armed Bundy people on federal land..compare and contrast with unarmed native Americans on unceded territory. It would have been interesting to see how things would have been different if Bundy's armed gang were trying to resist a pipeline.
I attribute the victory today to the independent media, the veterans and of course all the water protectors in situ and globally in solidarity. This battle will prepare more for future battles. The connections that have been made between activists is a big positive.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote]
#23896093 - 12/05/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess the camp will not be emptying any time soon. I imagine people are going to sit there beyond the inauguration of Drumpf.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote] 1
#23896105 - 12/05/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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"The fight against Dakota Access has fired up a resistance movement that is ready to take on any fossil fuel project the Trump administration tries to approve. On Dakota Access and every other pipeline: If he tries to build it, we will come."
http://www.myndnow.com/news/dakota-access-pipeline-what-happens-next
And there you have it, it was never about protecting any land or water supply, it was just another terrorist action from anti oil nutjobs,
***this aggression cannot stand, man
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Tipote said: I guess the camp will not be emptying any time soon. I imagine people are going to sit there beyond the inauguration of TRUMP.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote]
#23896348 - 12/05/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tipote said: reservation does not equal unceded land. There is a distinction you are missing.
Is your comprehension so poor? I didn't miss it... I said: As it's not on their reservation, it's immaterial.
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so youre saying that the long history of abuse against native americans is immaterial?
That's an entirely different question.
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Can you show me evidence to that affect?
I'd say your reading abilities as as poor as your comprehension, but I doubt you'd have the maturity to admit either.
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The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers evaluated the Bismarck route and concluded it was not a viable option for many reasons. One reason mentioned in the agency’s environmental assessment is the proximity to wellhead source water protection areas that are avoided to protect municipal water supply wells.
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/pipeline-route-plan-first-called-for-crossing-north-of-bismarck/article_64d053e4-8a1a-5198-a1dd-498d386c933c.html
http://www.snopes.com/dapl-routed-through-standing-rock-after-bismarck-residents-said-no/
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Tipote said: reservation does not equal unceded land. There is a distinction you are missing.
Is your comprehension so poor? I didn't miss it... I said: As it's not on their reservation, it's immaterial.
seems like I touched a nerve suggesting you missed something
You missed the point that no one was saying it was on reservation land. The point is that is it on historically native american land that has been taken by treaty violation after treaty violation. This has been going on for 500 years and is not immaterial.. which is why I asked you the next question...... :
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so youre saying that the long history of abuse against native americans is immaterial?
That's an entirely different question.
Can you answer it?
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Can you show me evidence to that affect?
I'd say your reading abilities as as poor as your comprehension, but I doubt you'd have the maturity to admit either.
Oh man, I can feel your chipped ego from here. I was just trying to clarify as you seem to not be exactly following the same discussion everyone else is having.
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The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers evaluated the Bismarck route and concluded it was not a viable option for many reasons. One reason mentioned in the agency’s environmental assessment is the proximity to wellhead source water protection areas that are avoided to protect municipal water supply wells.
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/pipeline-route-plan-first-called-for-crossing-north-of-bismarck/article_64d053e4-8a1a-5198-a1dd-498d386c933c.html
http://www.snopes.com/dapl-routed-through-standing-rock-after-bismarck-residents-said-no/
And an environmental impact assessment wasn't done for the route through unceded native american territory so I dont think there was a comparison in order to say clearly that fewer people would be affected though it may well be the case. I dont think the 18 million people downstream would be completely unaffected but again, this wasn't assessed... The reason for not continuing the route, as you said was that it went too close to their water supplies etc; do the water supplies, history, culture and rights not matter? Put that in the context of 500 years of colonisation and is that still immaterial to you?
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote] 1
#23896613 - 12/05/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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double post
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Tipote said: seems like I touched a nerve suggesting you missed something
Your self back-patting is unwarranted.
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You missed the point that no one was saying it was on reservation land.
Really?
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sweeper54 said: Neutral on the pipeline, but not on Indian lands.
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sweeper54 said: People not wanting a pipeline FORCED across their Reservation does = civil rights
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sudly said: There is a land treaty these corporations are breaking and that's it.
You were one of those who got it right... yet some brain fart {partisanship?} now has you saying... but, but, no-one said that. Those examples were just from a quick look.
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Can you answer it?
What, have the Indians been shit on? Of course. What an incredibly stupid question.
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Oh man, I can feel your chipped ego from here.
Of course you can. You're a legend in your own mind.
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I was just trying to clarify as you seem to not be exactly following the same discussion everyone else is having.
Seems the one not following along was you.
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And an environmental impact assessment wasn't done for the route through unceded native american territory so I dont think there was a comparison in order to say clearly that fewer people would be affected though it may well be the case.
Do you have the ability to compare the populations of the two areas? Bismarck and the reservation? et me help since simple tasks seem beyond your willingness.
Bismarck: 61,272
Standing Rock Sioux: 8,250
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do the water supplies, history, culture and rights not matter?
No. It's not their land.
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Put that in the context of 500 years of colonisation and is that still immaterial to you?
Yes. It's still immaterial.
Besides, as Heidi Heitkamp puts it:
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The Dakota Access oil pipeline will be completed under Donald Trump's administration, and the fight to reroute the pipeline by the Standing Rock Sioux and environmental groups was "not winnable," North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp said Monday.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote] 1
#23896622 - 12/05/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Appparently Tip is unaware all of America is on "historically native land" 
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Crumist] 1
#23903520 - 12/07/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I really hope they sue the Army corp of engineers, what kind of incompetent govt agency lets a company build 92% of their project and then shuts them down?
They need to be held accountable and I really hope they are pursuing legal means
***or just wait until Jan 20 and ram this fucker through
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hostileuniverse said: I really hope they sue the Army corp of engineers, what kind of incompetent govt agency lets a company build 92% of their project and then shuts them down?
They need to be held accountable and I really hope they are pursuing legal means
***or just wait until Jan 20 and ram this fucker through 
Such as Trump and Boeing contracts for a new Air Force 1?
Or other military projects?
Takes a lot of money just for a drawing board.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23903834 - 12/07/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: I really hope they sue the Army corp of engineers, what kind of incompetent govt agency lets a company build 92% of their project and then shuts them down?
They need to be held accountable and I really hope they are pursuing legal means
***or just wait until Jan 20 and ram this fucker through 
Such as Trump and Boeing contracts for a new Air Force 1?
Or other military projects?
Takes a lot of money just for a drawing board.
Hardly comparable, the 747 isn't even started, much less 92% completed
Anyone who thinks it's right to approve a project, let them spend billions, complete 92% of it, and THEN stop it is nothing but a shill for someone
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Trump wants to do that with the new advanced fighters as well. He is buying into all the bumps and bruises the programs have ran into.
Hitler knew more about being commander in Chief than Trump ever will.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Morel Guy]
#23904023 - 12/07/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would you even make that comparison?
I think trump is the biggest piece of shit and that was before he entered politics. He's a con man, but drop the Hitler analogies, lil'dick will never be as bad as Hitler.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54]
#23904037 - 12/07/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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sweeper54 said: Why would you even make that comparison?
I think trump is the biggest piece of shit and that was before he entered politics. He's a con man, but drop the Hitler analogies, lil'dick will never be as bad as Hitler.
It's all some have.
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