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sudly
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There's a lot of nuance and we don't have definitive answers yet.
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Hanigan's clients are contesting the use of eminent domain on 15 Iowa farms for the construction of the $4 billion Dakota Access pipeline, which will carry more than a half-million barrels of crude oil daily from North Dakota's Bakken oil fields through South Dakota and Iowa to a distribution hub in Patoka, Ill.
Hanigan's suit argues that Dakota Access LLC does not qualify as a utility and does not have the authority to use eminent domain to build its pipeline. Eminent domain is power of the government to take private property and convert it for public benefit in return for fair-market compensation. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2016/08/19/judge-rule-soon-whether-halt-dakota-access-pipeline/89014600/
Additionally it doesn't look like you actually read my words.
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whether backed by payed off judges or not.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sudly]
#23873751 - 11/27/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sudly said: There's a lot of nuance and we don't have definitive answers yet.
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Hanigan's clients are contesting the use of eminent domain on 15 Iowa farms for the construction of the $4 billion Dakota Access pipeline, which will carry more than a half-million barrels of crude oil daily from North Dakota's Bakken oil fields through South Dakota and Iowa to a distribution hub in Patoka, Ill.
Hanigan's suit argues that Dakota Access LLC does not qualify as a utility and does not have the authority to use eminent domain to build its pipeline. Eminent domain is power of the government to take private property and convert it for public benefit in return for fair-market compensation. http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/business/2016/08/19/judge-rule-soon-whether-halt-dakota-access-pipeline/89014600/
Additionally it doesn't look like you actually read my words.
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whether backed by payed off judges or not.
I am actulky 100% behind you on the abuse of the eminent domain clause, I don't think that should be allowed to be used to build this
That aside, I find it funny, because the federal government has basically told the states to go fuck themselves
When Jan Brewer and Arizona tried to secure its border, who told them "your state has no right"?
When N Carolina wanted to segregate bathrooms, who told them "your state has no rights"?
When many other states wanted to keep marriage between a man and woman, who told them "your state has no rights"?
And the list goes on and on and on ...
***Big federal govt supported by libs and all their big government policies and now it's biting them in the ass, I find that aspect of this situation comical
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sudly
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Border security in America involves a rigorous vetting procedure that can take 18 months to get through.
Segregated bathrooms would lead to trans people who look like men being in the womens bathroom and vice versa which would only infuriate fundamentalists more. A unisex toilet is the solution to that issue. As there are already plenty of and can be more.
Refusing to let a man marry another man or a woman marry another woman is refusing them their right to marriage.
Religious people don't have the right to force their opinions to change the lifestyles of those they disagree with as referred to in the constitution.
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"Separation of church and state" is a phrase used by Thomas Jefferson and others expressing an understanding of the intent and function of the Establishment Clause and Free Exercise Clause of First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
If someone's religion leads them to believe that unicorns live inside shoes then it doesn't mean they have the right to force others to take their shoes off as wearing them would disturb the unicorns and offend their religion.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sudly]
#23874319 - 11/28/16 07:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't arguing for any of those policies, merely pointing out how federal overreach is now affecting someithing libs care about, and it's funny 
The same could be said every time I hear the left bitching about a "militarized police force"
***Big govt is all fine for them until they start acting like big govt thugs
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sudly] 2
#23874332 - 11/28/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sudly said: Additionally it doesn't look like you actually read my words.
thats why many of us have hostileuniverse aka. the straw man king, on ignore. He doesn't know how to read, debate, understand basic facts or get through a day without butt-hurt.
I don't think I've seen you in the political forum before but advice I would offer is that you can try to hold HU's hand and try to have an honest debate but I've only seen it fail... join the ignore strawman movement. represent.
good luck

PS: good posts btw thank you for contributing.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote]
#23874371 - 11/28/16 07:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tipote said:
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sudly said: Additionally it doesn't look like you actually read my words.
thats why many of us have hostileuniverse aka. the straw man king, on ignore. He doesn't know how to read, debate, understand basic facts or get through a day without butt-hurt.
I don't think I've seen you in the political forum before but advice I would offer is that you can try to hold HU's hand and try to have an honest debate but I've only seen it fail... join the ignore strawman movement. represent.
good luck

PS: good posts btw thank you for contributing.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54]
#23874514 - 11/28/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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200+ breaks in those pipeline in the past 6 years. And when one of those break there is far more chemicals that get dumped than a train.
NO. http://globalnews.ca/news/1069624/how-do-crude-spills-compare-by-rail-truck-pipeline-you-may-be-surprised/
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: eeso] 1
#23874529 - 11/28/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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As for the 1851 treaty that noDAPL people like to bandie about; that treaty was supplanted by an 1868 treaty (that the Sioux signed) that redrew the treaty boundaries to not include the claimed so-called "treaty land" that the pipeline is being built on.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: eeso]
#23874549 - 11/28/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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eeso said: As for the 1851 treaty that noDAPL people like to bandie about; that treaty was supplanted by an 1868 treaty (that the Sioux signed) that redrew the treaty boundaries to not include the claimed so-called "treaty land" that the pipeline is being built on.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: eeso] 1
#23874671 - 11/28/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could you provide a link pls?
Regardless of treaty land (because the US govt has a long history of not respecting it anyway), the point is that there are ancient burial and cultural sites that need protecting..
and the most significant point is that one single pipeline leak will affect the water supply of tens of millions of people.
yes there are pipelines everywhere, do they not contaminate water and land? All of them should have been protested.
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#23874977 - 11/28/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tipote said: Could you provide a link pls?
Regardless of treaty land (because the US govt has a long history of not respecting it anyway), the point is that there are ancient burial and cultural sites that need protecting..
and the most significant point is that one single pipeline leak will affect the water supply of tens of millions of people.
yes there are pipelines everywhere, do they not contaminate water and land? All of them should have been protested.
If you weren't so busy, flying around on jets and polluting the atmosphere, maybe we wouldn't need more pipelines
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote]
#23875247 - 11/28/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry I can't find the link and map I got that info from to cite, so you can take my statement as hearsay.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54] 1
#23875439 - 11/28/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sweeper54 said: Same Company Behind Dakota Access Pipeline
http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/11/another-pipeline-bursts-endangering-drinking-water-6-million-people-company-behind-dakota-access-pipeline/
no drinking water was contaminated, the pipeline safety features shut it down, and the spill was promptly cleaned up and contained
***thanks for sharing another pipeline success story
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Did you look at the blast area?
Thankfully this happened in a rural area, at some point it will be far more destructive even with "pipeline safety features."
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#23875532 - 11/28/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pipelines are the safest way to transport large amounts oil or gas. Until you can come up with an alternative, I'd rather keep using what is safest
***if all the anti pipeline libs would stop using fossil fuels, they would stOp building them
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I made 30kw of power today in less then 4 hours of peak sun with my solar panels and that will push my electric car a long fucking ways.
The house is heated only by wood, until I get my mini-split heater installed.
Dyer, Water Heater AND Stove, ALL Electric.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54]
#23876725 - 11/28/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is very impressive. It is important to add that one can criticize a system while living within it, too. "Damn those uppity peasants storming the Bastille with the King's powder!"
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Crumist]
#23877232 - 11/29/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do own a Jeep Patriot for the longer trips.
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54]
#23877673 - 11/29/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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