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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23870698 - 11/26/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)


HU, you were asking about discrimination about American Indians somewhere. First of all, the obvious treaty-breaking, lying, conquering, human-experimentation, raping, genociding of the past is the gigantic elephant in the room, but for some reason, I'm guessing your going to say "But I didn't do anything like that, and I've never benefited from the same. My Indian friend says I'm cool." You're would be wrong, but for the sake of argument, lets skip all that. Lets go to the part where Indian women continue to get raped at 10x the average and the reservation law enforcement have 0 authority to investigate and get 0 co-operation from US law enforcement. Or to ten thousand other things, the least of which being national sports teams named after slurs for indians. Similar to how there used to be several teams called "the niggers" w/sambo mascot and all.

You mentioned getting turned down for a job because you weren't Indian. Yes, that is clearly discrimination and that sucks. And if you wanted, you might be able to get together with a lawyer and see if you have grounds to sue, depending on a lot of different factors. Your chances don't sound great, but I wouldn't know. Also, Several of my white friends back in high school worked part time on the nearest reservation and I know of two that now live there.

Terrorists?!? How are they terrorists? You are kind of freaking me out with the way you bandy that word about. The protesters haven't bombed anything or come anywhere close to the level of violence the state has brought to bear. It is actually kind of incredible how it doesn't appear your run of the mill anarchists haven't shown up with bats or to throw molotov cocktails yet.

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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23870736 - 11/26/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

First off, I know of at least one of those photos aren't of the DAPL protest, so you're a liar right there

Are these Indian women being raped by white men? Because if not, that's an irrelevant thing to bring up

UND Fargo used to be called the "fighting sioux" I live here and I've never met an Indian offended by it, it's something liberals from other parts of the country have cried foul about, UND, wanting national collegiate access, relented and changed their name. It's fucking retarded (most liberal causes are)


The 1851 treaty hasn't been recognized for quite some time, the current pipeline does NOT run over current Indian reservation land

***yes, the Native American population may have gotten fucked over by the conquest of N America, what ya expect, you want us all to go back to Europe? I hear they are only accepting muslims:lol:


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Crumist]
    #23871092 - 11/27/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

excellent post Crumist :thumbup:

LDS is correct that the route of the pipeline does not go on the reservation but just North of it. It was moved after concerns it was too close to a white-majority city water supply. It has been moved to affect others' water supply and the law has not been followed.



This is not just an Native American fight (It baffles me why people still say Indians...), there are all races, religions, peoples - tribal or otherwise protecting the water supply of millions of people. If and when a pipeline leaks, by the time it is fixed how many thousands of barrel equivalents will be in a water supply that stretches halfway across America?


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote] * 2
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    #23871518 - 11/27/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trigger warning: spoiler contains discussion of PC nomenclature

indigenous people of the US have been called many names by their conquerors and oppressors, few of which were coined by the natives themselves. In 1995, a US gov't study suggested that 50% prefer American Indian to 35% for Native American see table 4.2


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Crumist]
    #23871585 - 11/27/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

interesting, I didn't know that! seems odd to me tho


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23871632 - 11/27/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It has been suggested that the word "Indian" comes from a phrase spoken by Christopher Columbus, calling the Natives of this continent 'a people in God', or 'una gente in Dios.'  In Dios = Indian.  It has nothing to do with Columbus' thinking he found India, which until recently was called Hindustan, anyway.

Therefore, many Natives prefer the word "Indian" to "Native American."  It is not considered in any way pejorative or insensitive by the American Indian community.


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    #23871695 - 11/27/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks!

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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23871821 - 11/27/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People not wanting a pipeline FORCED across their Reservation does = civil rights




It's not on their reservation, please educate yourself







Educate yourself, look at the map above and then look up the word UNfuckingCEDED.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #23871910 - 11/27/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

And yet it's still not on the reservation.

An arrogant attitude doesn't make you correct.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23872060 - 11/27/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It isn't SR but it their territory and I'm sure the courts will fuck them out of it. Again.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: eeso] * 3
    #23872071 - 11/27/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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200+ breaks in those pipeline in the past 6 years. And when one of those break there is far more chemicals that get dumped than a train.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23872510 - 11/27/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The Dakota pipeline goes through 1851 American-Indian treaty grounds that were illegally given to white American farmers.

Aka. The government signed a treaty to give land to the Native Americans, government figures then stole their land and gave it to others without the authority to do so as the treaty was in place.

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"On Dec. 3, if everything goes according to plan, hundreds of veterans will muster at the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation in North Dakota. The mission: To stop the Dakota Access Pipeline."
http://taskandpurpose.com/where-evil-resides-veterans-deploy-to-standing-rock-to-engage-the-enemy-the-us-government/




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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #23873055 - 11/27/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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200+ breaks in those pipeline in the past 6 years. And when one of those break there is far more chemicals that get dumped than a train.




And somehow we are still here :shrug:

Here's the interesting thing about pipelines, the technology used to build them gets better every year, new pipelines means SAFER pipelines, a real environmentalist would applaud safer pipelines, not try to stop them

As for standing rock, they had literally hundreds of Opportunities to voice their concern, most of the time they were too busy:shrug:

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With the help of celebrities and professional activists, protests of the Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota have attracted international attention. The shouting and violence have drawn sympathy from people who are hearing only one side of the story — the one told by activists. Were the full story to be heard, much, if not all, of that sympathy would vanish.

The activists tell an emotionally charged tale of greed, racism and misbehavior by corporate and government officials. But the real story of the Dakota Access Pipeline was revealed in court documents in September, and it is nothing like the activists’ tale. In fact, it is the complete opposite.


The record shows that Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the pipeline, spent years working diligently with federal, state and local officials to route the pipeline safely and with the fewest possible disruptions. The contrast between the protesters’ claims and the facts on record is stunning.

Protesters claim that the pipeline was “fast-tracked,” denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River. This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing’s potential effect on historical artifacts and locations.

Protesters claim that the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers failed to consult tribal leaders as required by federal law. The record shows that the corps held 389 meetings with 55 tribes. Corps officials met numerous times with leaders of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe, which initiated the lawsuit and the protests.

Protesters claim that the Standing Rock Sioux pursued meetings with an unresponsive Army Corps of Engineers. Court records show that the roles in that story were in fact reversed. The corps alerted the tribe to the pipeline permit application in the fall of 2014 and repeatedly requested comments from and meetings with tribal leaders only to be rebuffed over and over. Tribal leaders ignored requests for comment and canceled meetings multiple times.

In September 2014 alone, the corps made five unsuccessful attempts to meet with Standing Rock Sioux leaders. The next month, a meeting was arranged, but “when the Corps timely arrived for the meeting, Tribal Chairman David Archambault told them that the conclave had started earlier than planned and had already ended,” according to a federal judge. At a planned meeting the next month, the tribe took the pipeline off the agenda and refused to discuss it. This stonewalling by tribal leaders continued for a year and a half.

Typical of the misinformation spread during the protests is a comment made by Jesse Jackson, who recently joined the activists in North Dakota. He said the decision to reroute the pipeline so that it crossed close to the Standing Rock Sioux tribe’s water intake was “racism.”

He did not mention, possibly because he did not know, that the company is paying to relocate the tribe’s water intake to a new spot 70 miles from the location of the contested pipeline crossing.

The pipeline route was adjusted based on concerns expressed by locals — including other tribal leaders — who met with company and Army Corps of Engineers officials. The court record reveals that the Standing Rock Sioux refused to meet with corps officials to discuss the route until after site work had begun. That work is now 77 percent completed at a cost of $3 billion.

In response to a lawsuit filed by the Standing Rock Sioux, the court documented “dozens of attempts” by the corps to consult with the tribe. It documented the legal and proper approval process the corps used to permit all of the contested construction sites the tribe claimed were improperly permitted. It even documented evidence that the corps had exceeded the minimum legal requirements during its earnest and lengthy efforts to receive the input of tribal leaders on the pipeline.

Pipeline protesters may have a tight grip on media coverage of the pipeline, but they have a demonstrably loose grip on the facts. The truth — as documented not by the company but by the federal court system — is that pipeline approvals were not rushed, permits were not granted illegally, and tribal leaders were not excluded. These are proven facts upheld by two federal courts.

If only this side of the story were getting the same attention as the other side. Perhaps judges should start announcing their rulings by megaphone while standing beside a few media-attracting celebrities.




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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: hostileuniverse] * 3
    #23873169 - 11/27/16 07:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

An environmentalist would say no new pipelines and to instead replace old pipelines with new ones.

200 pipeline breakages and you say 'somehow we're still here', as if it doesn't count because we haven't entirely killed the environment yet. 

As for standing rock any concerns they've had have been ignored.

There is a land treaty these corporations are breaking and that's it.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23873601 - 11/27/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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An environmentalist would say no new pipelines and to instead replace old pipelines with new ones.

200 pipeline breakages and you say 'somehow we're still here', as if it doesn't count because we haven't entirely killed the environment yet. 

As for standing rock any concerns they've had have been ignored.

There is a land treaty these corporations are breaking and that's it.




So let them build the new pipeline

Minor accidents the oil companies have become surprisingly good at cleaning up, wouldn't you say?

The oil companies didn't sign any land treaties, that's what the federal law, and courts are for,  and two federal judges have upheld the DAPL right to build

***you don't like oil, we get it, then stop fucking using it, if all you oil haters stopped using it, they wouldn't have any need to build new pipelines :lol:


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23873628 - 11/27/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Sudly said: An environmentalist would say no new pipelines and to instead replace old pipelines with new ones.





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hostileuniverse said: So let them build the new pipeline



:facepalm:

Oil isn't a renewable resource and trying to clean up the horrible mess after every leakage is not something to celebrate. 

Either way the DAPL is breaking treaty law whether backed by payed off judges or not.


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    #23873637 - 11/27/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Sudly said: An environmentalist would say no new pipelines and to instead replace old pipelines with new ones.





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hostileuniverse said: So let them build the new pipeline



:facepalm:

Oil isn't a renewable resource and trying to clean up the horrible mess after every leakage is not something to celebrate. 

Either way the DAPL is breaking treaty law whether backed by payed off judges or not.




Oh BS, you have absolutely no proof these obama appointed judges were paid off, I'm sure they tried to find any legal way to stop it, that's how solid of a case DAPL has,

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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23873664 - 11/27/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Obama has paid off and been paid off by plenty of people.

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One month before the presidential election of 2008, the giant Wall Street bank Citigroup submitted to the Obama campaign a list of its preferred candidates for cabinet positions in an Obama administration. This list corresponds almost exactly to the eventual composition of Barack Obama’s cabinet.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/10/15/wiki-o15.html




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A Study for the Centre for Public Integrity has found that 27 out of the 36 people who "bundled" donations of more than $500,000 (£307,000) received jobs such as ambassadorships or economic advisory roles. About fifty per cent of bundlers who raised more than $200,000 (£123,000) got jobs
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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: sudly] * 1
    #23873683 - 11/27/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

We all knew obama was corrupt

Now cite proof of these judges being paid off


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