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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23912465 - 12/10/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sometimes an adjective describing a group of people is accurate even if you feel it's disparaging.  :shrug:  That doesn't necessarily make someone a racist.

Expressing ideas and truths that aren't politically correct are just things some people don't want to hear, that's why the racist labeling is so desirable from these snowflakes.




"people from those backward countries are primitive and European culture is superior in everyway".

not a racist, i'm just saying racist things. so i'm not a racist,




You're not making any sense again.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Deemstar]
    #23912471 - 12/10/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Michigan, native. I would appreciate anybody who doesn't really understand how damaging leaking oil pipelines are, how little oil companies give a shit if their pipes leak. Please, come visit or live in Kalamazoo, where the kids have random seizures, impaired functioning, Leukemia and early onset cancers are 10x the national average, the pets and the fish have tumors.

The public tap is contaminated with oil, the worst part about it, it wasn't obvious, and a lot people didn't realize until it was too late.

Drinking water will end up very scarce in the immediate future if we continue to waste it on fracking and industrial demands, Trillions of gallons are required on demand annually to keep the system lubricated.

Maybe when the drinking water shortages hit your community you will understand why these "water protectors" were so god damned outraged by industrial development on an untouched river basin!




Pipelines that leak are a very serious issue, but what is the better alternative?


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman]
    #23912491 - 12/10/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like we should be utilizing and advancing towards more efficient forms of transportation.

Hybrid technology.

Have you rode in a new hybrid? You can't even hear the engine and it rides so smooth you feel like your flying kinda.

I feel like a system that imposes every one should have their own expensive vehicle is in a sense madness. It wouldn't work on a bigger picture, look at the madness in china trying integrate personal motor vehicles in massive populations.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman]
    #23912502 - 12/10/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Sometimes an adjective describing a group of people is accurate even if you feel it's disparaging.  :shrug:  That doesn't necessarily make someone a racist.

Expressing ideas and truths that aren't politically correct are just things some people don't want to hear, that's why the racist labeling is so desirable from these snowflakes.




so like White people being ignorant about the real world? having no real culture, just consumption? the worlds imperialists? claiming high moral values then raping, killing, maiming, their way around the world?




If the statement is accurate, so be it.  I'm not going start screaming the word "racist" because I might disagree with the opinion. It's called having a free and open exchange of ideas without slandering people because the statement might not be something that's politically correct.




The problem is that its people who are under colonialism, its wars, occupations, and policies, are the ones facing the racist comments which is spread from the top of society to the rest to continue the colonial status of inferiority and sense of superiority into the population. its easy for the settlers to say that something isn't racist when its undertones most definitely are. I will agree with you on certain aspects of political correctness gone too far, certain things are ridiculous.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: anthiawe] * 2
    #23914610 - 12/10/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There were over 300 meetings between tribal leaders, the army corps and the company. The tribe refused to sell their land.

Think of like this.

A women denies a man over 300 times, he offers her everything, money the works, she refuses simply because he's a sloppy pig.

Then he comes in with his big pipe and tries to stick in the wet spot anyway,,

Then continues to mace and beat ur entire family, Mom pops, brother, sister, grandparents, cousin, everyone.

And continues to insist he sticks his dirty pipe, in your wetspot.. and make a profit while he do it..

While standing on your ancestors graves..



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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Deemstar]
    #23914640 - 12/10/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There were over 300 meetings between tribal leaders, the army corps and the company. The tribe refused to sell their land.

Think of like this.

A women denies a man over 300 times, he offers her everything, money the works, she refuses simply because he's a sloppy pig.

Then he comes in with his big pipe and tries to stick in the wet spot anyway,,

Then continues to mace and beat ur entire family, Mom pops, brother, sister, grandparents, cousin, everyone.

And continues to insist he sticks his dirty pipe, in your wetspot.. and make a profit while he do it..

While standing on your ancestors graves..






Well when you put it that way...:lolsy:


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Deemstar]
    #23914660 - 12/10/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There were over 300 meetings between tribal leaders, the army corps and the company. The tribe refused to sell their land.

Think of like this.

A women denies a man over 300 times, he offers her everything, money the works, she refuses simply because he's a sloppy pig.

Then he comes in with his big pipe and tries to stick in the wet spot anyway,,

Then continues to mace and beat ur entire family, Mom pops, brother, sister, grandparents, cousin, everyone.

And continues to insist he sticks his dirty pipe, in your wetspot.. and make a profit while he do it..

While standing on your ancestors graves..






The vast majority of these tribal "concerns' in regards to land and corporate interests always boils down to the money, it's very naïve to think there's something else at work here.

Could there be an exception to the rule once in a while?  Yes, but at the end of the day, tribal leaders in the US and Canada always want a piece of the pie.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman] * 3
    #23914688 - 12/10/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

^^^^ there are people in this world who still live from their values, not everyone will bend to money


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: BeLove111]
    #23914729 - 12/10/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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^^^^ there are people in this world who still live from their values, not everyone will bend to money




These tribal leaders do it all the time, money talks and bullshit walks.

To their credit, they put on great theater with their moral high ground, they're not stupid.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman]
    #23915383 - 12/11/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What a complete coincidence youve latched on to the mainstream conservative narrative on this subject.

Also amazing how the talking heads respresenting one viewpoint of the nation have a 100% correct track record.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23915529 - 12/11/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What a complete coincidence youve latched on to the mainstream conservative narrative on this subject.

Also amazing how the talking heads respresenting one viewpoint of the nation have a 100% correct track record.




I didn't realize energy production is now a "conservative " position

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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23915591 - 12/11/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What a complete coincidence youve latched on to the mainstream conservative narrative on this subject.

Also amazing how the talking heads respresenting one viewpoint of the nation have a 100% correct track record.




I've not even heard of this "mainstream conservative narrative on this subject".

This is my own personal experience of investing in the natural resource sector for the past several decades. There's nothing worse than waiting 2 years so the local native leadership will give the OK for the project, yet 95% of the time it always seems to get approved despite all of the original resistance.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman]
    #23916095 - 12/11/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/1/dakota-access-protesters-accused-of-destroying-env/

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Those familiar with the camps near Cannon Ball, North Dakota, increasingly are distressed over the pits of human waste and garbage pockmarking the formerly pristine prairie revered by the Standing Rock Sioux as sacred ancestral land.




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“We’ve seen pictures of trenches and the garbage thrown in there. So that’s protecting the land?” Mr. Keller said. “And then the snow came in, and I’m sure it’s just a muddy mess now, because that’s river-bottom water, which is silt. It will be a mess.”

Even Standing Rock Sioux Chairman David Archambault II, who has urged protesters to come “stand with Standing Rock” against the pipeline, is disgusted with how the environmental activists living in the camps have treated the federal property.




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Before this entire movement started, that was some of the most beautiful land around,” Mr. Archambault told the news website Vice. “There was a place down there where eagles, over 100 eagles would come and land. There were game down there — deer, pheasants, elk, geese. Now, it’s occupied by people. And when masses of people come to one place, we don’t take care of it.




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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman] * 1
    #23918543 - 12/12/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The vast majority of these tribal "concerns' in regards to land and corporate interests always boils down to the money, it's very naïve to think there's something else at work here.

Could there be an exception to the rule once in a while?  Yes, but at the end of the day, tribal leaders in the US and Canada always want a piece of the pie.




Why are the Sioux Refusing $1.3 Billion?


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman]
    #23918549 - 12/12/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You're not making any sense again.



you're misquoting, because gormlessness.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23918556 - 12/12/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You missed the point that no one was saying it was on reservation land.




Really?

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Neutral on the pipeline, but not on Indian lands.




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People not wanting a pipeline FORCED across their Reservation does = civil rights




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There is a land treaty these corporations are breaking and that's it.




You were one of those who got it right... yet some brain fart {partisanship?} now has you saying... but, but, no-one said that. Those examples were just from a quick look.




Except the mistake that sweeper made there, he and everyone else said Indian land/treaty/unceded


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Do you have the ability to compare the populations of the two areas? Bismarck and the reservation? et me help since simple tasks seem beyond your willingness.

Bismarck: 61,272

Standing Rock Sioux: 8,250




Is that what you think an environmental impact assessment involves??

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Besides, as Heidi Heitkamp puts it:

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The Dakota Access oil pipeline will be completed under Donald Trump's administration, and the fight to reroute the pipeline by the Standing Rock Sioux and environmental groups was "not winnable," North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp said Monday.





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Oh.. well.. some person said a fight was unwinnable, maybe we should all give up, roll over and allow fresh unpolluted water to become a rarer and rarer thing.

Imagine if people just gave up in all kinds of civil rights struggles that were labelled as "unwinnable".

Don't you think moving from fossil fuels to renewables makes sense? Even if you are one of those tards that think global warming is still disputed, it makes sense.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23918560 - 12/12/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure who mentioned it previously but they made the point that this protest was more about being anti fossil fuel in general. It is that too for sure. Its also about access to water in general. Its also about anger about a lack of investment in vital infrastructure. While there is great significance of this being fought by the native americans, this chimes a chord with people all over the country and world because the pollution of our planet in favour of billionaires' profits only harms us.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote]
    #23918877 - 12/12/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
The vast majority of these tribal "concerns' in regards to land and corporate interests always boils down to the money, it's very naïve to think there's something else at work here.

Could there be an exception to the rule once in a while?  Yes, but at the end of the day, tribal leaders in the US and Canada always want a piece of the pie.




Why are the Sioux Refusing $1.3 Billion?




Because they're essentially negotiating for even more!!!


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: qman] * 1
    #23919187 - 12/12/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
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Tipote said:
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qman said:
The vast majority of these tribal "concerns' in regards to land and corporate interests always boils down to the money, it's very naïve to think there's something else at work here.

Could there be an exception to the rule once in a while?  Yes, but at the end of the day, tribal leaders in the US and Canada always want a piece of the pie.




Why are the Sioux Refusing $1.3 Billion?




Because they're essentially negotiating for even more!!!




is there any evidence of that? or is it just your prejudice?

yeh its the sioux who have clearly been the greedy ones...:rolleyes: Jesus, qman. white man's shit doesn't stink to you does it?

from the link..

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Unlike the barren stretch of land that encompasses the reservation, the Black Hills are green, resource-rich, and thick with the smell of Ponderosa trees. Stretching across western South Dakota to neighboring Wyoming, they’ve been a draw for tourists and investors alike. In addition to gold, timber and minerals have been extracted, reaping profits for people other than the Sioux.

Fast forward to 1980. The Supreme Court agreed with the Sioux: The land, long since settled, had been taken from them wrongfully, and $102 million was set aside as compensation. The trust’s value continues to grow well beyond $1 billion, but the Sioux have never collected.




How many decades before you accept its about the principle. What do you think their price is?

Accepting the money means accepting the "legitimacy" of the land theft as a forced sale.


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Re: Dakota pipline protest [Re: Tipote]
    #23919727 - 12/12/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipote said:
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qman said:
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Tipote said:
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qman said:
The vast majority of these tribal "concerns' in regards to land and corporate interests always boils down to the money, it's very naïve to think there's something else at work here.

Could there be an exception to the rule once in a while?  Yes, but at the end of the day, tribal leaders in the US and Canada always want a piece of the pie.




Why are the Sioux Refusing $1.3 Billion?




Because they're essentially negotiating for even more!!!




is there any evidence of that? or is it just your prejudice?

yeh its the sioux who have clearly been the greedy ones...:rolleyes: Jesus, qman. white man's shit doesn't stink to you does it?

from the link..

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Unlike the barren stretch of land that encompasses the reservation, the Black Hills are green, resource-rich, and thick with the smell of Ponderosa trees. Stretching across western South Dakota to neighboring Wyoming, they’ve been a draw for tourists and investors alike. In addition to gold, timber and minerals have been extracted, reaping profits for people other than the Sioux.

Fast forward to 1980. The Supreme Court agreed with the Sioux: The land, long since settled, had been taken from them wrongfully, and $102 million was set aside as compensation. The trust’s value continues to grow well beyond $1 billion, but the Sioux have never collected.




How many decades before you accept its about the principle. What do you think their price is?

Accepting the money means accepting the "legitimacy" of the land theft as a forced sale.





"Tribal leaders are quick to point out that not only does the $1.3 billion...if distributed on a per capital basis across nine tribes, the money would soon be gone with little permanent benefit to the recipients"

"What do you think their price is"

Much higher than $1.3 billion.

"How many decades before you accept its about the principle"

Time doesn't add any legitimacy to their protest, it's about the money.


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