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First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated!
#23660999 - 09/20/16 08:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey all,
Been lurking here for a while and after getting some spores from one of the sponsored vendors I decided to try my hand.
It is currently week 6 and I am fruiting but have a few pictures of the earlier stages to give a kind of log.
I used 1/2 pint wide mouth jars and bought the generic #1 seller of horticulture vermiculite off amazon. I used Bobs Red Mill BRF. I also added in the teaspoon of gypsum to my verm/brf/water mixture. Used a 15 PSI PC for about an hour to sterilize 4 jars.
After 3-4 days, I had white fluffy growth near inoculation spots. Huzzah! http://imgur.com/Vrmmyr1
The colonizing phase took about 20 days(first image), after which I gave another full 7 days to consolidate. (second image)
http://imgur.com/DnAZZsS
http://imgur.com/RTbkitG
Before I decided to birth my cakes, there was already knots forming near the top the substrate, and I saw a one or two of the "brown worms" starting (I forget what they are called now, of course). While wiping off the dry verm layer before the dunk, I think many of these knots were scraped off... Should I have been more gentle?
Here I got a little lazy and went with the closest most readily available tub for SGFC - aquamarine blue and a little on the small side, but I did only have 4 cakes. After a day with only indirect sunlight that I was not happy enough with, I bought a 6500k 12" grow light and am giving it a 12 on 12 off cycle. I live in a fairly humid climate (over 75% on average) but I am a little concerned (see: novice) about RH and I chose not to get a Hygrometer as there seemed to be a certain level for disdain of them and trust in a SGFC built to spec.
http://imgur.com/sUYXMVn
It has been 4 days in the chamber and I am getting pins on the sides that face the other cakes (the microclimate rich side) and I have had no problems yet with contam (I am fervently washing my hands with rubbing alcohol before going into the room, wearing a surgical mask which I'm not sure helps but DEFINITELY placebos me into being happier, which i'm sure my spawnlings can sense.)
Anything you see that I could do better would help! Unfortunately I work 8-6 so they go that length without any misting or fanning but other than that I do it ever 4 hours or so based on moisture content.
http://imgur.com/sdSOCKj
http://imgur.com/pRM7Gnu
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23661063 - 09/20/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks good, nice work! I would get an analog hygrometer, 10 bucks and will put your mind at rest and help monitor your humidity. I would fold the foil smaller to make it almost the same exact size as the cake...will encourage better FAE and therefore better pinsets.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23661301 - 09/20/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got it! I was also wondering if it was too much handling to scrape away the pieces of perlite that are on the foil? I haven't touched the cakes at all since putting them in the SGFC, only misted and fanned.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23661339 - 09/20/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The myc is actually really resistant to contaminates right now, just put some gloves on wipe with iso and handle gently be especially careful of any pins
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23662285 - 09/20/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Uh oh...!!!!
I came home to signs that all 4 cakes have got pins... But, while cleaning off the foil and re-folding it smaller, I noticed the underside has a very wispy white growth on all 4...
Is this BBC (big bad cobweb) going to ruin my day? 
Sorry for cell phone cam pics.
http://imgur.com/a/dNCgg
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23662296 - 09/20/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: amidogen]
#23662340 - 09/20/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those two are the bottoms of a couple cakes... It is just beginning if it is cobweb. But definitely looks different than any of the mycelium I have seen thus far...

These are the cakes with pins showing.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23662440 - 09/20/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: amidogen]
#23662508 - 09/20/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I actually did just that but I think I was over-reacting after looking at some more pics of BBC I went back and put in new foil that was more fit to the cakes to prevent water pooling in the folds of the foil I previously had, which was kind've slick with soaked verm that had gotten misted off. I will check back in several hours and see what it looks like and update with some hopefully clearer pics.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23662527 - 09/20/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Peteyboy said: Looks good, nice work! I would get an analog hygrometer, 10 bucks and will put your mind at rest and help monitor your humidity. I would fold the foil smaller to make it almost the same exact size as the cake...will encourage better FAE and therefore better pinsets.
A hygrometer will do the opposite of putting your mind at rest and will ultimately cause you to do stupid things to your fc. I highly reccomend against the use of all hygeometers analog or digital for all noobs growing cubes.
As for the cobweb Im 99.99% sure that what you have there is not cobweb.
Keep it up youre doing fine
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23662551 - 09/20/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said:. I would fold the foil smaller to make it almost the same exact size as the cake...will encourage better FAE and therefore better pinsets.
No the purpose of smaller foil is too allow moisture evaporating off the perlite too rise up the sides of the cakes. The holes is the SGFC is for FEA.
Op upload your photos too the shroomery next time. Most members wont click off site links.
And thats not cobweb on those. But the cakes look real dry dude.
Also you dont have too wear gloves with ISO too handle the cakes. Just wash your hands if your worried. Besides the only time you need too handle them is for harvesting then the dunk and roll.
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Edited by JacobStorm (09/20/16 06:11 PM)
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23662557 - 09/20/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good point! They are a little on the dry sode. Hopefully these pics were taken right after work and before a good mistin
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23664276 - 09/21/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here they are this morning. The moisture content definitely seems to be on the low side - this being my first grow I have no experience to compare it with. I doubled the amount of sprays from the mister and evened out the Perlite some which had gotten a half inch or so higher on one side of the tub for some reason.
There were no signs of that Cobweb this morning. More pins showing now, though!
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23664794 - 09/21/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah you don't have cobweb dude. I would fold the corners of your foil under the cake. Keep this updated for us ya? How many inches of perlite do you have in there? Can we see a picture of your SGFC?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23665015 - 09/21/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has been oppressively hot down here recently and being as I had my AC set to 76, I went home at lunch to give the fellas a spritz. Of course, it was dry looking except for certain places on the foil.

More pins showing! I had done a lot more research on the first half of this tek so I havent delved into pin formation/size and what those factors are pointing to in detail, any tips greatly appreciated!!
Here is my setup

This little guy has got a way to go to catch up to his friend

I do have a concern about one of the cakes, though, which is showing what I believe to be blue bruising. What do you all think?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23665065 - 09/21/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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First off, LOVE the batman teddy. Keeping guard is he?  Second that blue bruising is from you handling it or the spray bottle your using is beating the shit out of your cakes. I use this http://www.homedepot.com/p/RL-Flo-Master-4-pt-Hand-Sprayer-56HD/100164531 Its 7 bucks and is like baby fingers on your cakes  Do you have a fan running in the room with your SGFC? Or is the A/C in there with it? If so that will definitely dry out your tub and cakes!
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23665258 - 09/21/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The room has no fan running. The first 3 days I left the window open for added ambient humidity and had the door that leads to the hallway open - to avoid stale air.
Today I closed the window and left an air purifier running in the room on low because I thought it was too much hotter in that room than the other rooms but, again I didn't want the air to get stale. I have the A/C vent in that room closed. It was much cooler when I went in there this afternoon, but, yeah, the blue bruising was there.
And, yes, I just went with my gut on all those decisions. I profess no degree of sense, common or otherwise.
I have heard about putting ice cubes on the perlite to release moisture over time if you are going to have long bouts (8+ hours) with no misting... Is that a thing?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23665297 - 09/21/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I guess you just have to mist more then. I never heard that about the ice cubes, it sounds interesting. I can see tho if you put too many youd come home too a water mess but that would only hydrate the perlite not the cakes.
So you can do whats called bottom watering. You would put your cakes in a small dish of water for like two hours too let them absorb some water.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23665334 - 09/21/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fully submerged or just the bottom part? I shouldn't re-roll in verm afterwards, right?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23665538 - 09/21/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: amidogen]
#23665543 - 09/21/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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 You could damage pins or mycelium that would have been pins if you re-roll.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23665559 - 09/21/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm the opposite of gentle with my cakes and havent run into bruising yet. I even give them a squeeze from time to time to see how much life they have in them. When they get spongy I throw them out.
No reason that his spray bottle would be bruising the cakes imo.
Also damaging pins is not the reason why we dont re-roll. I usually wait till I see pins forming on my cakes before birthing. Dunk and roll process doesnt harm pins.
We dont re roll a second time because your cake has been collecting airborn contaminents in that FC and you dont want to create a new mocroclimate for them to take foot in
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23665574 - 09/21/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ComebackKid said: I'm the opposite of gentle with my cakes and havent run into bruising yet. I even give them a squeeze from time to time to see how much life they have in them. When they get spongy I throw them out.
No reason that his spray bottle would be bruising the cakes imo.
Also damaging pins is not the reason why we dont re-roll. I usually wait till I see pins forming on my cakes before birthing. Dunk and roll process doesnt harm pins.
We dont re roll a second time because your cake has been collecting airborn contaminents in that FC and you dont want to create a new mocroclimate for them to take foot in
Alright thats a good point about the re-roll.
However yes the spray bottle will beat the shit out of cakes. IMHE it happens lol. Which is why I now use the flow master. It doesnt wash off the dry verm either.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23665590 - 09/21/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: amidogen]
#23665603 - 09/21/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm I wonder why that may be then. Could strains possibly be coming into play here? Maybe I just have too much verm to really tell 
Either way, not having a spray bottle knock off dry verm layer is definitely a bonus.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: amidogen]
#23665614 - 09/21/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay I will grab a more misty-type spritzer device tomorrow at home depot - even on the mistiest setting there are definitely full drops still coming out with this one, so I've been using the lid to block that part for now 
For bottom watering; one of the pins is coming out near the bottom and growing sideways, I'm concerned it will get drowned in any type of standing water. Thoughts?
Edit: Is it too early to tell what strain these are? My spores arrived unlabeled except for being cubensis. They are apparently either "Chile, Costa Rica, Guadalajara, or Texas" strain.
Edit Edit: Nevermind, I found the labels on the others. These should be the "Texas" strain.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23665658 - 09/21/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bottom watering will definitely help at this stage, you dont have to worry about drowning the little guys they love it.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23667325 - 09/22/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is a picture of this morning after 2 hours of bottom watering. I soaked the dishes over night in some iso/water to make sure they were sanitary, and put the dish back inside the SGFC during those 2 hours, which I hope was the right thing. Re-cut some new foil and folded back the edges before I left this morning for work.
I put the A/C in the house at 74 and left the door slightly ajar, but the vent in the shroomy room is closed and there are no fans running. RR says natural room current/draft should be enough and the open door should prevent stale air, right?
The other cakes are starting to show some light signs of bruising and one of the pins has some brusing on it too, so I'm going to make sure to get that more gentle mister from Home Depot today before I get home. I have been pretty attentive in the last 24 hours so I'm frowny faced about why the other cakes are bruising. Is it more frequently caused by thick water droplets from the mister hitting things, or dryness?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23667573 - 09/22/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your doing great dude. yeah your cakes will most likely stop bruising when you get a better mister.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23667645 - 09/22/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you bottom watering outside your fc? You will have to watch amd mist more frequently that way.
What I like to do is grab my jar lids and some foil and mold a piece of foil to the lid. This will create a perfect little tub for your cake to sit in and you can fill it up whenever your cakes drink up the water. Now your cakes can enjoy the benifits of the SGFC and bottom watering
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23667806 - 09/22/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did the bottom watering inside the FC from 5-7am this morning before going to work. The cakes got to spend the last 2 hours of their dark cycle on individual dishes getting their toes wet.
That jar lids idea sounds great and I'm gonna get to building them. I do have some questions/concerns:
How often should I be bottom watering? Just 2 hours a day or permanently until harvesting? Should I refill with water every time I notice the water gone? For 3 of the cakes this should be fine but there is that one in the image above with the pin/fruit body growing sideways out from the bottom. I am afraid making a tub will crush him, and so far he's the only pin on that cake!
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
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I did, and definetaly wont the third time
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: spongegar]
#23668088 - 09/22/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your mushrooms will grow and bend around obsticals no need to worry about that. I've even had them grow into the walls of my fc and tip my cakes over haha. Shrooms gunna shroom. As soon as I see pins growing I start bottom watering and let my cakes sit in water untill harvest. Change or refill the water once a day as needed. (Somedays my cakes are thirstier than others) Continue misting as usual. After harvest wait untill you see pins before starting bottom watering again, otherwise you run the risk of waterlogged or drowned cakes. As long as you have pins youre fine. I've noticed much bigger fruits since I started bottom watering they love it!
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23668166 - 09/22/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting. Aren't bacteria and other contaminations a problem with all that standing water?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Wienerwoods]
#23668176 - 09/22/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats why you change it once a day if it hasnt been used up by the cakes.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
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Here they are in their new tub-within-a-tub homes, right after a good mist/fan. So yeah, those worries about that one were misplaced as when I got home with the new mister from HD you suggested, it had basically taken a 90 degree turn up! It may have been affected by me putting the SGFC beneath the light today as opposed to it being a few feet away on the shelf previously.
Wow, this Flo Master is such a difference from the Zepp sprayer I was using. I feel much more confident getting the cakes properly moisturized.
I don't see any more pins forming yet, but quite a bit of growth from those already in play. I think the bottom watering from this morning really made them happy.
This is day 7 since the cakes were dunk/rolled and moved to the SGFC. I had expected more pins but now hopefully I can keep them more moisture happy!
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23668543 - 09/22/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
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Should I be pulling these ones with open veils? The big ones aren't ready yet, right?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23669180 - 09/22/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah top middle looks ready for a twist and pull. Check under the cap for gills just to be sure
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
#23670249 - 09/23/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay! I gave the foil of the mini-tub a wipe with a iso soaked cloth to clean it, then ran it under some water to clean off the iso and put them back.

Did a twist and pull on 2 of the ones with open caps; I believe if I was going for max potency these are a little late? Since this is my first grow, my intent is to enjoy the first flush fresh, if timing permits me to harvest by Saturday evening. In the future I will be going the food dehydrator route. As such, I took these two and put them in a folded up paper towel in an unsealed plastic container in the drawer of the fridge. Saturday awaits!

I'm guessing that by the time I get home in 10 hours, the big ones will have broken veils. It has been over 24 hours since any new pins have formed... is this all I can expect from this first flush?
Most of the pins that formed in the second half of the week so far have stalled and I'm guessing are aborts... Is it worth harvesting/keeping these or should they be tossed?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23671053 - 09/23/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The obvious question is also... Why are some so much larger than others? The two small ones I plucked this morning were growing from the same cakes as the two fatties I have.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23671114 - 09/23/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Multi spore...there's thousands of genetics I'm the cake...sort of like people tall short skinny fat
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23671136 - 09/23/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aborts can be just as fun don't bin eat them all
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23671196 - 09/23/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said: Multi spore...there's thousands of genetics I'm the cake...sort of like people tall short skinny fat
I did not know this! I had detected a certain amount of... boiling hatred from RR for vendors that sell strain-specific spore syringes, because apparently it's impossible to isolate a certain strain like that?
At any rate, these jars were all inoculated with what were supposed to be the "texas" strain from a single syringe, although now I'm guessing that was just a generic term for Cubensis harvested in Texas?
Owell!
Do you think the small stems/caps and lack of pins are the result of something wrong with my SGFC build?, or do they just turn out like that sometimes and I should expect more from a second flush?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23671329 - 09/23/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes he likes the term variety better...and yes isolation takes months and months and many many plates.
There's a couple different Texas strains. Most notable difference is cap color.
If you built it to spec and are have proper placement it should be working. They say more quantity of mushrooms first flush, less quantity but larger specimens second flush...unless you have a clone which you can produce more stabilizedetails results with.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23673706 - 09/24/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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-Day 9/10 in fruiting chamber
- Finally starting to see pins growing like crazy, as pictures have suggested.
- Is it normal to have 4 fully grown mushrooms before pins start to appear en mass?
- Wow, bottom watering is amazing.
- Seriously, buy the 7$ Flo Master sprayer from the bug spray section of home depot
I will update with some pictures later tonight.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23673740 - 09/24/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Completely normal. Remember you are workong with MS so the genetics of each mushroom is vastly different than another rather than if you were working with cloned tissue you would expect your mushrooms to grow more uniform because the genetics are similar. Glad to hear you have many more pins coming already. It was a matter of time before they started producing
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: ComebackKid]
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A couple more pictures. Day 12 in the SGFC. The places where I had thought the cakes might be too wet after misting are the places where the pins have grown.
Especially this guy, who is having a blast on the underside of the cake.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23679740 - 09/26/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome dude! Looking fresh!
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23682950 - 09/27/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Timing looks like it'll be great! I have my American Harvest Snackmaster showing up tomorrow, which should be just about harvesting time, and definitely in time to avoid sporepocalypse.
Would there be any problem in harvesting early bloomers and putting them in the fridge for a day before the Dehydrator gets here, or is sticking them in front of a fan instead a better idea?
Any suggestions for which Tek to go for next? This is still my first flush so I should have some life in these 4 cakes, but I'm already looking ahead since I have 40CC of spores to use and this was so much fun.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23683125 - 09/27/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you have a PC?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23683219 - 09/27/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why not stick with BRF cakes for a while? You did good this go around. You can store mush in the fridge till the next day
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23683239 - 09/27/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I moved onto agar and oats got one last Pf grow almost ready to fruit, whilest my agar dishes are growing and being transfered
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23683474 - 09/27/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good rule of thumb is to always have something colonizing so start up some PF and then move onto agar for sure!! After agar you can move onto anything under the sun
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: Peteyboy]
#23685819 - 09/28/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said: Do you have a PC?
Yup! It's got a fairly small pot, though; I can only sterilize 4 1/2 pint jars at a time. Hence the 4 cakes this round 

Day 14 in the SGFC and I'm thinking tonight or tomorrow might be the night for harvesting (these pics were taken last night). I'm curious about the interval between first flush --> dunk. Should I leave the cakes out for a day before dunking or do it immediately after harvest?

Overachiever-cake!

Right under bat-bear's watchful eyes, this guy steals all the bottom watering for himself!
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
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I love picture 2. Looks fucking great dude good job. Did you decide on your next step?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: JacobStorm]
#23691151 - 09/29/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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JacobStorm said: I love picture 2. Looks fucking great dude good job. Did you decide on your next step?
Absolutely not Actually I plan on inoculating 20 more jars this weekend with a special young lady helping me 
Gonna have to research whether or not my PC can handle 15 PSI @ 5 hours continuously without 'sploding!
Here's some picture updates...

- I think you can guess which one I decided was ready for harvest
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- This was mostly that one cake, which I used my Model Painter Snips to cut off at the base, and the pieces I had twist and pulled this morning from the early bloomers to avoid many sporez.
- Unfortunately this kitchen scale is *absolutely worthless* in my experience and so I left it blank to make all of us happy. (For reference, I pulled off 2 big ones and 2 medium ones last weekend and had quite an experience.)
Here is the cake as it currently stands; I put it back because there are quite a few near the bottom that I think are at least 12+ hours from breaking the veil, and then misted and fanned the chamber.

Should I take it out and dunk it, in an abundance of caution to avoid contams since there are so many stumps?
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23691161 - 09/29/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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whats with the blue tub? its constructed correctly. just curious if a tubs 'color' would impede anything??
mega props on the dehydrator.
holy shit pc'ing for 5 hours..... uh why??
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mushboy said: whats with the blue tub? its constructed correctly. just curious if a tubs 'color' would impede anything??
mega props on the dehydrator.
holy shit pc'ing for 5 hours..... uh why??
I had read that the color won't be a big deal as long as the holes are done properly.
As for the PC, I just mean that my PC is only big enough for 4 jars at a time, so 4 jars @ 1 hour five times.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: mushboy]
#23691333 - 09/29/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have no clue/experience with any tubs that arnt clear. ill be researching that one myself..
you CAN NOT open a pc until its cooled down. stick to one batch every 10 hours if you need to be that die hard about it.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: mushboy]
#23721929 - 10/09/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had to move the chamber into my closet, as my roomies have returned from their vacation. My closet is ... definitely not as sanitary, so I'm planning on building a martha for my next tek.
I saw a fruit fly in the SGFC a few days ago before I moved it, but I haven't seen any since.
Curiously, the flush on this cake is producing what I believe are just mutations...? Some are growing... upside down, some have had partially twisted caps since pinning. They never stopped growing so I have let them go.


Two of the 4 cakes have had a good pinset for 36 hours but don't seem to be growing any more.
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
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The closet is a casket for that chamber. You need free flowing air around all six sides. Ideally the chamber should be in the very center of the room. You shouldn't be growing where other ppl wouldn't be cool with it. Guilt by association is a real thing. You could be dragging them into your felonies. Shame shame
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JacobStorm said: The closet is a casket for that chamber. You need free flowing air around all six sides. Ideally the chamber should be in the very center of the room. You shouldn't be growing where other ppl wouldn't be cool with it. Guilt by association is a real thing. You could be dragging them into your felonies. Shame shame
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Your mushrooms do not look happy.
And growing without your housemates' knowledge is teenage bullshit. Either tell them, get a place of your own, or throw that shit out. Roommates whose lives have been ruined thanks to you aren't the people you want to be around in prison 
Awful lot of assumptions going on ...
I own my house, thanks. They rent a room from me and I was using their room while they were on vacation and thus it was vacant; I am not "sneaking" anything and my roommates are friends of over 20 years with full knowledge of my project.
My closet is a large walk in and has plenty of air flow. It is definitely not ideal, which is why I said in my last post I was planning on building a martha.
Instead of just saying "Your mushrooms do not look happy" and making baseless accusations, I would appreciate any insight as to WHY they do not look happy! They developed these mutations BEFORE I EVER MOVED THEM from the previous room where they had been doing fine. 2 cakes in the SGFC are showing these mutations, 2 are not.
Here is this cake this morning at harvest.

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amidogen said: If there's no reason to hide them then why the fuck put them in your closet?
I've had cakes grow mushrooms that are mutated just like yours when I a) over misted my cakes and saturated them and b) didn't have sufficient FAE in my chamber.
It's really confusing because none of the environmental factors have changed since my last flushes, which looked great. And suddenly all I'm getting are mutants!
I have no where else to put them right now because the remaining rooms in the house are all high-traffic areas with multiple fans or AC vents running. Their room was ideal because I could shut the AC vents and the SGFC had an isolated room where it could sit undisturbed in the middle. The return of the roommates is the return of the house dog, as well, so I am trying to place it somewhere free-ish of pet dander.
Apparently I will have to choose between being damned by too much FAE, or too little? These cakes are all on their 2nd or later flush, so I may just have to grit my teeth and let these ride until they give out. I will not be able to build an enclosure for another week or so.
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Edited by TheDarkMatterz (10/10/16 11:05 AM)
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: TheDarkMatterz]
#23724621 - 10/10/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it not just that your myc is getting weaker as its already flushed before although I usually get mutants on first flush then usually less to none after that flush
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Re: First Grow - BRF // SGFC - Help Appreciated! [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23724992 - 10/10/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wouldn't worry too much about the state of your cakes on third flush. You should be thinking about birthing more at this point in the game really. Also a fan and ac running in yoyr house shouldnt be that much of an issue. You may find that you have to mist more often with a fan but its really not that big of a deal IMO
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