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Why are so many educated people so damn stupid?
    #23660429 - 09/20/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence] * 5
    #23660530 - 09/20/16 01:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't way to say it's Oprah... but.. it's Oprah.

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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23660597 - 09/20/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The more degrees of educashun you go through, the more regimented you become.

There'll always be a place (at least, there should be) for law, science and medicine in universities because that's where the facilities are, but so much that's done there it's just a funnel for money.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #23660686 - 09/20/16 04:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

dudes a mark dice copycat

You think college students are stupid check out californians:



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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: luvdemboomers]
    #23660697 - 09/20/16 04:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Why are so many educated people so damn stupid?



because they're part of a coalition that believes they have all the answers, and fight one another, believing that they do, when they don't.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23660702 - 09/20/16 04:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence] * 3
    #23660727 - 09/20/16 05:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Why are so many educated people so damn stupid?




If a child is a complete hellion, it says something about the child but a lot more about the parenting.

If an educated person acts like a dumbass, it says something about them but a lot about the quality about their education.

Education is a conditioning program. When faced with ANY problem you should instinctively rev up your brain instead of opting for the easy way out, or you weren't educated properly.

Guys, please forgive me, I'm going to say something that may sound very nasty. I apologize, but its a criticism of the educational system, not the students.

College level is supposed to be the 10% best students of the population at most. In the US its 40%, its too much. This is one reason why America falls behind towards other countries, which are much more selective about higher education. There need to be between levels of education,. which there arent. Its kind of like your two party system.

Each person has the set of abilities they excel in that are born with and an education needs to find those asnd magnify them to the utmost extent.

Just like the political spectrum cannot be divided in Democrats and Republicans, you need many KINDS of education also.

I'm a dropout due to illness. In terms of American education, I couldnt even get a highschool diploma, so I'm not some elitist snob from a prestigeous university. I taught myself almost everything I know.

So, its not like that. I'm just saying, we all can be an expert at SOMETHING and the educational system fails to bring that result effectively for most.

Everybody is undereducated.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23660730 - 09/20/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

implying any of these videos are real


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23660732 - 09/20/16 05:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Common sense. There's a big difference between it, and academic intelligence.

Sadly, the former seems in very short supply in this world.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23660750 - 09/20/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:
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Why are so many educated people so damn stupid?




If a child is a complete hellion, it says something about the child but a lot more about the parenting.

If an educated person acts like a dumbass, it says something about them but a lot about the quality about their education.

Education is a conditioning program. When faced with ANY problem you should instinctively rev up your brain instead of opting for the easy way out, or you weren't educated properly.

Guys, please forgive me, I'm going to say something that may sound very nasty. I apologize, but its a criticism of the educational system, not the students.

College level is supposed to be the 10% best students of the population at most. In the US its 40%, its too much. This is one reason why America falls behind towards other countries, which are much more selective about higher education. There need to be between levels of education,. which there arent. Its kind of like your two party system.

Each person has the set of abilities they excel in that are born with and an education needs to find those asnd magnify them to the utmost extent.

Just like the political spectrum cannot be divided in Democrats and Republicans, you need many KINDS of education also.

I'm a dropout due to illness. In terms of American education, I couldnt even get a highschool diploma, so I'm not some elitist snob from a prestigeous university. I taught myself almost everything I know.

So, its not like that. I'm just saying, we all can be an expert at SOMETHING and the educational system fails to bring that result effectively for most.

Everybody is undereducated.



Great post. I agree with everything you've said, though I disagree with the assertion that college should only be 10%. I don't think the way we do it in the states is preferable either though. I think a large issue is that people here go to college for liberal arts rather than sciences in droves. There is no competition to go to university for learning English or Exercise Science, and there is lots of competition to find jobs in those areas. Likewise there is enormous competition to go to university to become a doctor and little competition to work as one when finished. If we funded more people to educate in sciences and continued to make people pay for their education in arts, the value of higher education across the spectrum would increase.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23660776 - 09/20/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Haha, sorry guys. I was more or less just asking a rhetorical question and shaking my head at these people. I've just known so many of the "I have x degree, therefor I'm smarter than you by default!" types of people. Those people are not smart enough to know that they're really just good at mimicking what other actual smart people taught them I guess.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23660796 - 09/20/16 06:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
No mingey!



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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence]
    #23660810 - 09/20/16 06:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Eminence said:
Those people are not smart enough to know that they're really just good at mimicking what other actual smart people taught them I guess.




most humans exhibit the mirror neuron reaction. most people are good at mimicking (and not learning past) the authority figures in their life.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence]
    #23660812 - 09/20/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

To be fair, Ryerson is generally regarded as a pretty crappy university.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23660816 - 09/20/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No mingey!



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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23660857 - 09/20/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It definately is becoming worse due to low selectivity in europe as well.
When I was in elementary school, 25% of the pupils would make it into the hierarchically highest school form, while around 60 would go to, dunno, middle school (?) and the relatively retarded quarter would only do five more years at the lowest school form.

Now this is totally perverted. 60% go get highest education, while the lowest school form is FUCKING SHUT DOWN and the rest goes to middle school.
It's because the schools became lax at their entry policies, I would be told that it's just enough with straight B average to make it to the highest school, while now it's usual to let them go there with only Cs and a few Ds because arrogant parents would pressurize teachers and schools to push their stupid offspring into education that is wasted on them.
On top of that, school time was recently cut short of 1 year, with the effect of a horribly deterioration of depth.
I've seen the change when I was in my last school year. The physics tests they introduced in 9th year involved copying values from a chart to a spreadsheet. It's sickening.

At university, there were dozens of kids in my first classes that needed daddy's signature for everything because they even legally were CHILDREN.

it turned out that graduation mark averages were horrible despite of it being trashed down to level ridiculous, and what they did was just elevate grading!

It's only purpose is to keep the kids from thinking what they really wanna do. Don't leave enough time for them to question anything, just shove them into an education/job preparation as fast as possible.

Of course the result is that everything has to become easier.
Those kids fail so hard at university that it has become kindergarten within a few years.
What should the staff do about it? Throw them all out? They should, but it would have catastrophic consequences.

It's such a fucking shame, as my education was once known as one the best of the western world.

I visit uni classes with children so ignorant, naive and incompetent, I regularly rage quit classes because of their non existent shame to ask über stupid stuff all the time, chatter loudly and play on their phones.
It's sickening. They don't have opinions on the most basic topics, let alone that they would never utter them, in fear that someone could disagree. They even seem to lack personalities, no one of them talks unless they're forced to.

They don't know that education has a worth on its own. It's always, "eeew, is that relevant for the test??" "How will the tests be graded??" "Do I need to know this???"

It's so pathetic. They see this as a job prep course, which is only annoying and something to be done with ASAP. No intrinsic interest in anything, just money money money.

Sorry for rage post, but these tendencies really ruined the university experience I was once so looking forward to.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Asante]
    #23660923 - 09/20/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its also why the job market is watered down and a bachelor's degree doesn't mean shit:cookiemonster:


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 2
    #23661020 - 09/20/16 08:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

College wouldn't be so bad if high school did it's job and got kids up to an adult level education. Adults should be able to think for themselves. But its not about being educated or intelligent or even prepared for life. Its about the paper. Politicians noted high school dropouts and instead of investing into their education and helping kids get more enthusiastic and have more incentive to learn they just dumbed everything down. So that even the stupidest and the lazy could get their diploma so long as they didn't drop out.

I have what they call learning disabilities so they put me in "slow classes" in high school. The pace meant things got broken down better and I understood the topics and ideas better than the cut and dry memorization of normal classes. The people I was with though, for the most part, were placed in slow classes because they didn't want to learn. They didn't want to work. That attitude is contagious. I nearly failed 12th grade English because I didn't turn in any assignments aside from papers/research. My teacher gave me all the homework I didn't do over the year and let me make it up in the 4th quarter. She knew I wasn't dumb or didn't understand the material...

Paper paper paper.
It only matters what kind of marks you get on paper
It only matters if you 'earn' your paper diploma or degree
It only matters if you go on to make that paper


The world is being watered down with all these standards, numbers, and dry statistics. That's why everyone's stupid as fuck. From day one we are taught that nothing but monetary success matters. Even better if you can look good doing it. Most anything else is inconsequential.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23661026 - 09/20/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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College wouldn't be so bad if high school did it's job and got kids up to an adult level education.




glad someone said it, so i wouldn't have to. i probably wouldn't have anyway, though.  :bored: but kids are still being shoved down homework on a daily basis....so who the fuck will listen to reason, anyway? no one revolting? no protests? nothing?

K.

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From day one we are taught that nothing but monetary success matters. Even better if you can look good doing it. Most anything else is inconsequential.




:cookiemonster: but no one cares!


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23661036 - 09/20/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Because we as a society do not teach empathy.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: K-9 Unit] * 2
    #23662224 - 09/20/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

doctors "we got a pill for people who don't like to take pills'
police " we have jails for people who don't have homes"
teachers "women are better at english then men"


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Konyap]
    #23662233 - 09/20/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Konyap said:
doctors "we got a pill for people who don't like to take pills'
police " we have jails for people who don't have homes"
teachers "women are better at english than men"




.... Point proven :lol::rofl::hehehe:


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Asante]
    #23662364 - 09/20/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:

College level is supposed to be the 10% best students of the population at most. In the US its 40%, its too much. This is one reason why America falls behind towards other countries, which are much more selective about higher education. There need to be between levels of education,. which there arent. Its kind of like your two party system.




There are in-between levels of education, it's called trade school and an associate's degree. That's how people become veterinary technicians or aircraft mechanics, is by getting an associate's degree.

The problem is parents push their kids towards college even if their children aren't particularly bright, because people feel ashamed if their kids turn out to be construction workers or mechanics or hairdressers or taxi drivers, because people who work with their hands aren't respected and have no prestige.

My mom is one of those people, I feel like I could never bring home a guy who does manual labor for a living because she looks down on blue-collar workers. That includes military.

Not only that, but there's also a strong push nowadays to start motivating and helping low-income minorities into college. These specific low-income people might not even be intellectually adept, and they might not even WANT to go to college themselves, yet colleges are allowing them in even if they have lower SAT scores and lower GPA's.

Then we wonder why these are the same kids who end up flunking out of college within a couple years, and now on top of that they're burdened with massive student loan debt. Apparently close to 50% of college freshmen end up flunking out and never finishing, and for low-income minorities that percentage is even higher.

I knew a girl who was accepted into Cal Berkeley with only a 3.4 GPA simply because she was black! WTF, UC Berkeley is supposed to be the top 2% upper echelon of applicants from the pool of eligible college students. They should only be accepting geniuses, not middle-tier, average students.

From since we're little kids, we've been brainwashed into believing that college is the only way we can ever achieve true success. And a lot of people have sadly bought into this idea.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662373 - 09/20/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

problem is kids, nor young adults, nor most adults, really actually know with certainty wtf they want to do for a career that fits in a lifestyle they'd prefer. whether it's concerning monetary wealth, what they "do", or whatever else they get out of their preferences.


in a country based on the freedom of choice, it's strange how there is no accounting for this.
the way it should be:
instead of kids being taught by rote in middle school, they are at that age old enough to pick a subject (or subject's) to learn as a primary, and then can take secondary classes in conjunction; essentially, without expounding on this too much -- the current curriculum for early education is vacuity. those classes would include a more crushing lesson plan, you'd have goddamn motherfucking christing almighty civics in middle school. and music, too. none of this idiot pushing bullshit that there is now.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662397 - 09/20/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
problem is kids, nor young adults, nor most adults, really actually know with certainty wtf they want to do for a career that fits in a lifestyle they'd prefer. whether it's concerning monetary wealth, what they "do", or whatever else they get out of their preferences.


in a country based on the freedom of choice, it's strange how there is no accounting for this.
the way it should be:
instead of kids being taught by rote in middle school, they are at that age old enough to pick a subject (or subject's) to learn as a primary, and then can take secondary classes in conjunction; essentially, without expounding on this too much -- the current curriculum for early education is vacuity. those classes would include a more crushing lesson plan, you'd have goddamn motherfucking christing almighty civics in middle school. and music, too. none of this idiot pushing bullshit that there is now.




It's funny, because I see a lot of people who are taking courses and going to college, only to become receptionists or something later. I told them you don't need any degree to become a receptionist, so why did you even go to school for that?

Lol... It's like culinary school... nobody needs to go to culinary school to become a chef. You simply get hired as a prep cook somewhere, then work your way up to line cook, then sous chef, then executive chef, and so on and so forth. Yet people keep paying thousands of dollars for schooling that they don't even need to be taking in order to land a job in the industry.

What really pisses me off are those for-profit schools like ITT Tech. They aren't even regionally accredited, which means they aren't even accepted at other universities, and a lot of employers don't accept the credit. A lot of people who "graduate" from these schools are only able to find entry-level positions later on.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662404 - 09/20/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it makes me want hurl my lunch.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662419 - 09/20/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
The problem is parents push their kids towards college even if their children aren't particularly bright, because people feel ashamed if their kids turn out to be construction workers or mechanics or hairdressers or taxi drivers, because people who work with their hands aren't respected and have no prestige.

My mom is one of those people, I feel like I could never bring home a guy who does manual labor for a living because she looks down on blue-collar workers. That includes military.





No offense, but the way you described your mother is everything I hate about society.

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From since we're little kids, we've been brainwashed into believing that college is the only way we can ever achieve true success. And a lot of people have sadly bought into this idea.




This.
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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23662448 - 09/20/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

People who are more intelligent have an easier time not following societal conventions.

And that really is the whole point of the thread. Above-average intelligence makes people realize what the fuck is actually happening.

But those people aren't anywhere near just thoughless, I have come to the conclusion that it probably physically hurts them or feels very exhausting, maybe its because of low psychomotoric speed.
It's not that they couldn't do it or wouldn't want to, they just don't do it, have not much on their minds.

They don't understand how someone could have too many thoughts in his head to fall asleep.
Just like I don't know how you can actually "just think nothing" to fall asleep.

Weird how they're the opposite of physically lazy but mentally extremely so.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662455 - 09/20/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

Asante said:

College level is supposed to be the 10% best students of the population at most. In the US its 40%, its too much. This is one reason why America falls behind towards other countries, which are much more selective about higher education. There need to be between levels of education,. which there arent. Its kind of like your two party system.




There are in-between levels of education, it's called trade school and an associate's degree.

The problem is parents push their kids towards college even if their children aren't particularly bright, because people feel ashamed if their kids turn out to be construction workers or mechanics or hairdressers or taxi drivers, because people who work with their hands aren't respected and have no prestige.

My mom is one of those people, I feel like I could never bring home a guy who does manual labor for a living because she looks down on blue-collar workers. That includes military.

Not only that, but there's also a strong push nowadays to start motivating and helping low-income minorities into college. These specific low-income people might not even be intellectually adept, and they might not even WANT to go to college themselves, yet colleges are allowing them in even if they have lower SAT scores and lower GPA's.

Then we wonder why these are the same kids who end up flunking out of college within a couple years, and now on top of that they're burdened with massive student loan debt. Apparently close to 50% of college freshmen end up flunking out and never finishing, and for low-income minorities that percentage is even higher.

I knew a girl who was accepted into Cal Berkeley with only a 3.4 GPA simply because she was black! WTF, UC Berkeley is supposed to be the top 2% upper echelon of applicants from the pool of eligible college students. They should only be accepting geniuses, not middle-tier, average students.

From since we're little kids, we've been brainwashed into believing that college is the only way we can ever achieve true success. And a lot of people have sadly bought into this idea.





I agree 100%, it's part of the elites plan, blame labor for labors problems.

They use education as the blame for someone's economic issues today, how did my grandparents make over 100k per year in today's wages with just 7th and 8th grade educations?

Lack of education or skills is just a scapegoat excuse after raping the working classes in the US today.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: qman]
    #23662459 - 09/20/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

no, it's the result of needing progress to respond to the progress of an intellectually evolving world.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662472 - 09/20/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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no, it's the result of needing progress to respond to the progress of an intellectually evolving world.




When Ford is shipping the manufacturing of cars down to Mexico, it clearly shows Julio doesn't need a high level skill set to work for this global corporation in an "intellectually evolving world".

Please explain how the Fork workers who lost their jobs in the US need more auto skills, or is the problem they won't work for 1/15 their wage?


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662475 - 09/20/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So you say inflation is progress? It is indeed. In a very perverted way. Progress down the shitter.

Sure we have no choice, besides actually investing a real effort.


Humanity had the capabilities to achieve almost anything, but somehow they just don't even try.
This is an excellent example of that, it's everywhere.
Maybe that half-assery is because deep down we know it's all gonna be ashes some day?


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence]
    #23662499 - 09/20/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Education doesn't instil intelligence.

Having a higher education is more a sign of social and economic privelage as it is of intelligence.

Attaining the highest level of success in education correlates more strongly with intelligence (it's difficult to maintain a 4.0 GPA without some intelligence ) but even then it's more a mark of hard work, discipline and motivation than intelligence.

My brother is a very intelligent person who never pursued any education beyond High school.

He is nevertheless more intelligent than most people with undergraduate university degrees.

He is perhaps less skilled and knowledgable without higher education than he would be had he pursued it.

I have three university degrees and a college certificate . I don't believe my education made me any more intelligent .

What it did was allow me to master the crafts of writing, researching and public speaking , and give me a large reservoir of academic theories and ideas to draw upon.

However, it's arguable that this time could have been spent more productively mastering other skills.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: qman]
    #23662511 - 09/20/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree 100%, it's part of the elites plan, blame labor for labors problems.

They use education as the blame for someone's economic issues today, how did my grandparents make over 100k per year in today's wages with just 7th and 8th grade educations?

Lack of education or skills is just a scapegoat excuse after raping the working classes in the US today.




Corporations are partially responsible too. Many corporations out there only accept bachelor's degrees for certain positions, even if it's just a sales position that shouldn't require any degree at all. Why do you need a degree at all to make appointments with clients and push a product onto them?

Big Pharma is a good example of employing college degrees that aren't necessarily for their sales positions. I could understand if they required chemistry or pharmacology or pre-med degrees, something that requires some type of scientific or medical knowledge. But no, they hire people with ANY bachelors degree. They hire people with art degrees, with dance degrees, it seems the only requirements there are to be a pharmaceutical sales rep is to be attractive with a college degree.

Also, dance degrees?! Why the hell does anybody need to go to college to get a bachelors degree in DANCE? I can understand going to some prestigious ballet school or music school for training or something, but to make it an official degree at a regionally accredited school, is that really necessary?


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662521 - 09/20/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why would anyone need to attend college and collect massive amounts of debt for a degree in Holistic Health?

lol - its all a gimmick


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: qman]
    #23662522 - 09/20/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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no, it's the result of needing progress to respond to the progress of an intellectually evolving world.




When Ford is shipping the manufacturing of cars down to Mexico, it clearly shows Julio doesn't need a high level skill set to work for this global corporation in an "intellectually evolving world".

Please explain how the Fork workers who lost their jobs in the US need more auto skills, or is the problem they won't work for 1/15 their wage?



that hypothetical has no relevance. no one even mentioned anything regarding your above statement. Ford is not the superlative, nor even the standard.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23662529 - 09/20/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So you say inflation is progress? It is indeed. In a very perverted way. Progress down the shitter.

Sure we have no choice, besides actually investing a real effort.


Humanity had the capabilities to achieve almost anything, but somehow they just don't even try.
This is an excellent example of that, it's everywhere.
Maybe that half-assery is because deep down we know it's all gonna be ashes some day?



i didn't say inflation is progress. i said progress is progress, if anything. i said progress entails following up with the will to progress. to the last part of your comment, i can say: humanity has the choice to achieve anything within the realm of reason.

which is why the pedagogy needs to be reformulated.

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He is perhaps less skilled and knowledgable without higher education than he would be had he pursued it.




or just less 'specialised' in specific fields.

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Corporations are partially responsible too. Many corporations out there only accept bachelor's degrees for certain positions, even if it's just a sales position that shouldn't require any degree at all. Why do you need a degree at all to make appointments with clients and push a product onto them?




agreed.


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    #23663403 - 09/20/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of guys now r basically woman mentally,so afraid to offend anyone,one of the reasons obongo got elected,usa is doomed,basically gonna look like a cross between mexico city and iraq in 20 years


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence]
    #23663429 - 09/20/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Academia is a cesspool.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23663484 - 09/20/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No offense, but the way you described your mother is everything I hate about society.




I don't even know why she thinks that way, her parents didn't even graduate high school.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence]
    #23663510 - 09/20/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think all of you should check out John Taylor Gatto, guys got some good stuff to say about public school systems, and has been involved with them first hand.



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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23663514 - 09/20/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol those were all undergrads...
I disagree that educated people are stupid, especially when compared to the uneducated. However I do think sheltered youths who go straight from high-school to a liberal arts degree and do no reading outside of assigned material (usually not even that) don't really qualify as 'educated'


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    #23663532 - 09/20/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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lol those were all undergrads...
I disagree that educated people are stupid, especially when compared to the uneducated. However I do think sheltered youths who go straight from high-school to a liberal arts degree and do no reading outside of assigned material (usually not even that) don't really qualify as 'educated'




Very true, and I bet you anything a significant portion of them were freshmen...

I mean, some high school curriculums like some Texas schools don't even teach evolution, and don't even teach accurate history. They are either studying from books that are outdated by years, or contain information that is inaccurate.

Yet these same kids are still able to continue on into college, despite the fact that they have no understanding of science or history.





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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23663547 - 09/20/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know much about american schools (except I hear them constantly shat on so I assume they aren't great) but I actually had a pretty good experience of public schools up here in BC, don't know how true it is of the nation generally but we learned a pretty decent amount of world history philosophy etc that from these kinds of videos, it seems a lot of american kids don't get to study

not that the system is perfect, I could have done with a much more rigorous and challenging curriculum but it seemed well suited to the average student, like that suffragette thing would not have fooled anyone I went to school with except the real bottom of the barrel types :shrug:


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23663556 - 09/20/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What really pisses me off are those for-profit schools like ITT Tech. They aren't even regionally accredited, which means they aren't even accepted at other universities, and a lot of employers don't accept the credit. A lot of people who "graduate" from these schools are only able to find entry-level positions later on.





ITT Tech is being shut down

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-itt-tech-20160906-snap-story.html


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23663577 - 09/20/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Even when I was 16 and I first saw these technical schools start to pop up I knew they were bullshit right off the bat. I guess never having seen any serious college in a commercial kind of set alarm bells off for me, Im surprised people actually shell out for it.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23663677 - 09/20/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know much about american schools (except I hear them constantly shat on so I assume they aren't great) but I actually had a pretty good experience of public schools up here in BC, don't know how true it is of the nation generally but we learned a pretty decent amount of world history philosophy etc that from these kinds of videos, it seems a lot of american kids don't get to study




My education was good, my high school actually had a harder curriculum than college, but I went to a prep school. Over a quarter of the kids who attended that school were legacy applicants who went to Ivy League universities, and the rest still attended top or second tier universities like UCLA, Cal Berkeley, MIT, USC, Notre Dame, etc. I don't think there was a single student who didn't go to college after.

Last I heard it's WAYYY more expensive to go to that school now. Tuition rates practically quadrupled, and now it's $30,000 a year just to attend that high school. Now it has the reputation as some prestigious prep academy that guarantees college admission, and parents are paying top dollar for their kids to attend, to ensure better rates of prestigious college entry.

It's funny, I heard people often complaining about how hard college was, and I was like, errr.... what high school did you go to?!

Apparently a high school degree in a country like Germany or Sweden is the equivalent of a college degree in America, as far as academic material goes. I completely believe it.

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not that the system is perfect, I could have done with a much more rigorous and challenging curriculum but it seemed well suited to the average student, like that suffragette thing would not have fooled anyone I went to school with except the real bottom of the barrel types :shrug:




To be fair, I'm sure that anybody who got the answer correctly was edited out. Who knows how many people they interviewed before they got those answers, they could have interviewed hundreds of people before finding somebody who had no fucking clue what a suffragette was.

The video would have been a lot more accurate had they included all the people who were interviewed, or if they stated how many people were interviewed, and exactly how many people answered correctly or incorrectly. Because if it's only 2% of the population giving these answers, it's nothing to be alarmed about.

Have you ever watched all those "dumb American" videos of Americans being interviewed and getting basic questions wrong (like who the Vice President is, or what Islam is, or they ask them to point to Australia on a map), and they always get it wrong in the videos.

These videos are painful to watch, but it's possible they interviewed thousands of people and happened to stumble upon the few people who dropped out of high school, or are literally mentally disabled or something:




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ITT Tech is being shut down

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-itt-tech-20160906-snap-story.html




Oh damn, I would be so pissed if I was one of those students that put all that money in and didn't get a degree or certificate. And those credits can't be transferred to another school since ITT isn't regionally accredited!!! Which means you wasted all that money for NOTHING! That sucks! I hope those people get compensated or reimbursed somehow. They should sue.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23663871 - 09/21/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My parents pushed me to college too, even though I'm not very bright, academically speaking.
So I dropped out, and years later, on my own dime, I went to trade school. I fitted in much better and now have a degree in IT.

All I need now is a job and I'm set.

As for educated people being stupid.. dude, all people are stupid. We're not THAT intelligent.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #23663902 - 09/21/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

collage is too expensive or takes up too much time

it caters to 18-20 year olds

just about all of my time at uni could have been spent in front of a computer, which is kind of why I fuck up a lot honestly because its' like being in two different classes if they don't hand shit out


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Konyap]
    #23663927 - 09/21/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have to keep reminding myself of the different circumstances in the states, when discussing university, because honestly if I lived in america I wouldn't have gone to university whereas around here its kind of just a given, virtually everyone goes unless they're going straight into a particular trade or are a dumbass

costs way too much south of here, especially for anything that doesn't get you a job honestly scares me just thinking about it :uhoh: lucked out


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23663973 - 09/21/16 01:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I have to keep reminding myself of the different circumstances in the states, when discussing university, because honestly if I lived in america I wouldn't have gone to university whereas around here its kind of just a given, virtually everyone goes unless they're going straight into a particular trade or are a dumbass

costs way too much south of here, especially for anything that doesn't get you a job honestly scares me just thinking about it :uhoh: lucked out




Isn't Canadian tuition like $5K a year? My university was actually cheaper than that.

For you, it'd be more expensive, because you'd be paying what's called "out of state" tuition. People who are from different states or different countries pay close to $20,000 to $50,000 a year to attend university here.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23664227 - 09/21/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

my schooling ended up being like five years but then I cut out a  chunk of classes so it's back down to a five and a half year


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23664244 - 09/21/16 07:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Isn't Canadian tuition like $5K a year? My university was actually cheaper than that.

For you, it'd be more expensive, because you'd be paying what's called "out of state" tuition. People who are from different states or different countries pay close to $20,000 to $50,000 a year to attend university here.




Depends on the province, Quebec is about the cheapest I think. Similar rules there where you have to have been a resident there for a couple years to get the cheap tuition.

Here in Ontario it's about $6k for most programs, and $13k for stuff like management, engineering, computer science (which I'm doing), etc. I'm doing part-time though so I'm billed per course. For international students I think it's something like $40k for a typical program.


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    #23664365 - 09/21/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Haha, sorry guys. I was more or less just asking a rhetorical question and shaking my head at these people. I've just known so many of the "I have x degree, therefor I'm smarter than you by default!" types of people. Those people are not smart enough to know that they're really just good at mimicking what other actual smart people taught them I guess.



What sucks is when they finish college and get jobs....then you have to deal with them. Many in the health field or communications...can be a lesson in futility.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23664428 - 09/21/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I have to keep reminding myself of the different circumstances in the states, when discussing university, because honestly if I lived in america I wouldn't have gone to university whereas around here its kind of just a given, virtually everyone goes unless they're going straight into a particular trade or are a dumbass

costs way too much south of here, especially for anything that doesn't get you a job honestly scares me just thinking about it :uhoh: lucked out




Isn't Canadian tuition like $5K a year? My university was actually cheaper than that.

For you, it'd be more expensive, because you'd be paying what's called "out of state" tuition. People who are from different states or different countries pay close to $20,000 to $50,000 a year to attend university here.




ya 5,000$ is about standard, with colleges being cheaper tho


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