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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: K-9 Unit] * 2
    #23662224 - 09/20/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

doctors "we got a pill for people who don't like to take pills'
police " we have jails for people who don't have homes"
teachers "women are better at english then men"


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Konyap]
    #23662233 - 09/20/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Konyap said:
doctors "we got a pill for people who don't like to take pills'
police " we have jails for people who don't have homes"
teachers "women are better at english than men"




.... Point proven :lol::rofl::hehehe:


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Asante]
    #23662364 - 09/20/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:

College level is supposed to be the 10% best students of the population at most. In the US its 40%, its too much. This is one reason why America falls behind towards other countries, which are much more selective about higher education. There need to be between levels of education,. which there arent. Its kind of like your two party system.




There are in-between levels of education, it's called trade school and an associate's degree. That's how people become veterinary technicians or aircraft mechanics, is by getting an associate's degree.

The problem is parents push their kids towards college even if their children aren't particularly bright, because people feel ashamed if their kids turn out to be construction workers or mechanics or hairdressers or taxi drivers, because people who work with their hands aren't respected and have no prestige.

My mom is one of those people, I feel like I could never bring home a guy who does manual labor for a living because she looks down on blue-collar workers. That includes military.

Not only that, but there's also a strong push nowadays to start motivating and helping low-income minorities into college. These specific low-income people might not even be intellectually adept, and they might not even WANT to go to college themselves, yet colleges are allowing them in even if they have lower SAT scores and lower GPA's.

Then we wonder why these are the same kids who end up flunking out of college within a couple years, and now on top of that they're burdened with massive student loan debt. Apparently close to 50% of college freshmen end up flunking out and never finishing, and for low-income minorities that percentage is even higher.

I knew a girl who was accepted into Cal Berkeley with only a 3.4 GPA simply because she was black! WTF, UC Berkeley is supposed to be the top 2% upper echelon of applicants from the pool of eligible college students. They should only be accepting geniuses, not middle-tier, average students.

From since we're little kids, we've been brainwashed into believing that college is the only way we can ever achieve true success. And a lot of people have sadly bought into this idea.


Edited by Crystal G (09/20/16 05:37 PM)


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662373 - 09/20/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

problem is kids, nor young adults, nor most adults, really actually know with certainty wtf they want to do for a career that fits in a lifestyle they'd prefer. whether it's concerning monetary wealth, what they "do", or whatever else they get out of their preferences.


in a country based on the freedom of choice, it's strange how there is no accounting for this.
the way it should be:
instead of kids being taught by rote in middle school, they are at that age old enough to pick a subject (or subject's) to learn as a primary, and then can take secondary classes in conjunction; essentially, without expounding on this too much -- the current curriculum for early education is vacuity. those classes would include a more crushing lesson plan, you'd have goddamn motherfucking christing almighty civics in middle school. and music, too. none of this idiot pushing bullshit that there is now.


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662397 - 09/20/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
problem is kids, nor young adults, nor most adults, really actually know with certainty wtf they want to do for a career that fits in a lifestyle they'd prefer. whether it's concerning monetary wealth, what they "do", or whatever else they get out of their preferences.


in a country based on the freedom of choice, it's strange how there is no accounting for this.
the way it should be:
instead of kids being taught by rote in middle school, they are at that age old enough to pick a subject (or subject's) to learn as a primary, and then can take secondary classes in conjunction; essentially, without expounding on this too much -- the current curriculum for early education is vacuity. those classes would include a more crushing lesson plan, you'd have goddamn motherfucking christing almighty civics in middle school. and music, too. none of this idiot pushing bullshit that there is now.




It's funny, because I see a lot of people who are taking courses and going to college, only to become receptionists or something later. I told them you don't need any degree to become a receptionist, so why did you even go to school for that?

Lol... It's like culinary school... nobody needs to go to culinary school to become a chef. You simply get hired as a prep cook somewhere, then work your way up to line cook, then sous chef, then executive chef, and so on and so forth. Yet people keep paying thousands of dollars for schooling that they don't even need to be taking in order to land a job in the industry.

What really pisses me off are those for-profit schools like ITT Tech. They aren't even regionally accredited, which means they aren't even accepted at other universities, and a lot of employers don't accept the credit. A lot of people who "graduate" from these schools are only able to find entry-level positions later on.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662404 - 09/20/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it makes me want hurl my lunch.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662419 - 09/20/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
The problem is parents push their kids towards college even if their children aren't particularly bright, because people feel ashamed if their kids turn out to be construction workers or mechanics or hairdressers or taxi drivers, because people who work with their hands aren't respected and have no prestige.

My mom is one of those people, I feel like I could never bring home a guy who does manual labor for a living because she looks down on blue-collar workers. That includes military.





No offense, but the way you described your mother is everything I hate about society.

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From since we're little kids, we've been brainwashed into believing that college is the only way we can ever achieve true success. And a lot of people have sadly bought into this idea.




This.
My measure of "success" isn't the same as the rest of society.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23662448 - 09/20/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

People who are more intelligent have an easier time not following societal conventions.

And that really is the whole point of the thread. Above-average intelligence makes people realize what the fuck is actually happening.

But those people aren't anywhere near just thoughless, I have come to the conclusion that it probably physically hurts them or feels very exhausting, maybe its because of low psychomotoric speed.
It's not that they couldn't do it or wouldn't want to, they just don't do it, have not much on their minds.

They don't understand how someone could have too many thoughts in his head to fall asleep.
Just like I don't know how you can actually "just think nothing" to fall asleep.

Weird how they're the opposite of physically lazy but mentally extremely so.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662455 - 09/20/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

Asante said:

College level is supposed to be the 10% best students of the population at most. In the US its 40%, its too much. This is one reason why America falls behind towards other countries, which are much more selective about higher education. There need to be between levels of education,. which there arent. Its kind of like your two party system.




There are in-between levels of education, it's called trade school and an associate's degree.

The problem is parents push their kids towards college even if their children aren't particularly bright, because people feel ashamed if their kids turn out to be construction workers or mechanics or hairdressers or taxi drivers, because people who work with their hands aren't respected and have no prestige.

My mom is one of those people, I feel like I could never bring home a guy who does manual labor for a living because she looks down on blue-collar workers. That includes military.

Not only that, but there's also a strong push nowadays to start motivating and helping low-income minorities into college. These specific low-income people might not even be intellectually adept, and they might not even WANT to go to college themselves, yet colleges are allowing them in even if they have lower SAT scores and lower GPA's.

Then we wonder why these are the same kids who end up flunking out of college within a couple years, and now on top of that they're burdened with massive student loan debt. Apparently close to 50% of college freshmen end up flunking out and never finishing, and for low-income minorities that percentage is even higher.

I knew a girl who was accepted into Cal Berkeley with only a 3.4 GPA simply because she was black! WTF, UC Berkeley is supposed to be the top 2% upper echelon of applicants from the pool of eligible college students. They should only be accepting geniuses, not middle-tier, average students.

From since we're little kids, we've been brainwashed into believing that college is the only way we can ever achieve true success. And a lot of people have sadly bought into this idea.





I agree 100%, it's part of the elites plan, blame labor for labors problems.

They use education as the blame for someone's economic issues today, how did my grandparents make over 100k per year in today's wages with just 7th and 8th grade educations?

Lack of education or skills is just a scapegoat excuse after raping the working classes in the US today.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: qman]
    #23662459 - 09/20/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

no, it's the result of needing progress to respond to the progress of an intellectually evolving world.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662472 - 09/20/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

akira_akuma said:
no, it's the result of needing progress to respond to the progress of an intellectually evolving world.




When Ford is shipping the manufacturing of cars down to Mexico, it clearly shows Julio doesn't need a high level skill set to work for this global corporation in an "intellectually evolving world".

Please explain how the Fork workers who lost their jobs in the US need more auto skills, or is the problem they won't work for 1/15 their wage?


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662475 - 09/20/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So you say inflation is progress? It is indeed. In a very perverted way. Progress down the shitter.

Sure we have no choice, besides actually investing a real effort.


Humanity had the capabilities to achieve almost anything, but somehow they just don't even try.
This is an excellent example of that, it's everywhere.
Maybe that half-assery is because deep down we know it's all gonna be ashes some day?


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence]
    #23662499 - 09/20/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Education doesn't instil intelligence.

Having a higher education is more a sign of social and economic privelage as it is of intelligence.

Attaining the highest level of success in education correlates more strongly with intelligence (it's difficult to maintain a 4.0 GPA without some intelligence ) but even then it's more a mark of hard work, discipline and motivation than intelligence.

My brother is a very intelligent person who never pursued any education beyond High school.

He is nevertheless more intelligent than most people with undergraduate university degrees.

He is perhaps less skilled and knowledgable without higher education than he would be had he pursued it.

I have three university degrees and a college certificate . I don't believe my education made me any more intelligent .

What it did was allow me to master the crafts of writing, researching and public speaking , and give me a large reservoir of academic theories and ideas to draw upon.

However, it's arguable that this time could have been spent more productively mastering other skills.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: qman]
    #23662511 - 09/20/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:

I agree 100%, it's part of the elites plan, blame labor for labors problems.

They use education as the blame for someone's economic issues today, how did my grandparents make over 100k per year in today's wages with just 7th and 8th grade educations?

Lack of education or skills is just a scapegoat excuse after raping the working classes in the US today.




Corporations are partially responsible too. Many corporations out there only accept bachelor's degrees for certain positions, even if it's just a sales position that shouldn't require any degree at all. Why do you need a degree at all to make appointments with clients and push a product onto them?

Big Pharma is a good example of employing college degrees that aren't necessarily for their sales positions. I could understand if they required chemistry or pharmacology or pre-med degrees, something that requires some type of scientific or medical knowledge. But no, they hire people with ANY bachelors degree. They hire people with art degrees, with dance degrees, it seems the only requirements there are to be a pharmaceutical sales rep is to be attractive with a college degree.

Also, dance degrees?! Why the hell does anybody need to go to college to get a bachelors degree in DANCE? I can understand going to some prestigious ballet school or music school for training or something, but to make it an official degree at a regionally accredited school, is that really necessary?


Edited by Crystal G (09/20/16 05:58 PM)


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Crystal G]
    #23662521 - 09/20/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why would anyone need to attend college and collect massive amounts of debt for a degree in Holistic Health?

lol - its all a gimmick


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: qman]
    #23662522 - 09/20/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

akira_akuma said:
no, it's the result of needing progress to respond to the progress of an intellectually evolving world.




When Ford is shipping the manufacturing of cars down to Mexico, it clearly shows Julio doesn't need a high level skill set to work for this global corporation in an "intellectually evolving world".

Please explain how the Fork workers who lost their jobs in the US need more auto skills, or is the problem they won't work for 1/15 their wage?



that hypothetical has no relevance. no one even mentioned anything regarding your above statement. Ford is not the superlative, nor even the standard.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23662529 - 09/20/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Murzelpfrumpft said:
So you say inflation is progress? It is indeed. In a very perverted way. Progress down the shitter.

Sure we have no choice, besides actually investing a real effort.


Humanity had the capabilities to achieve almost anything, but somehow they just don't even try.
This is an excellent example of that, it's everywhere.
Maybe that half-assery is because deep down we know it's all gonna be ashes some day?



i didn't say inflation is progress. i said progress is progress, if anything. i said progress entails following up with the will to progress. to the last part of your comment, i can say: humanity has the choice to achieve anything within the realm of reason.

which is why the pedagogy needs to be reformulated.

Quote:

He is perhaps less skilled and knowledgable without higher education than he would be had he pursued it.




or just less 'specialised' in specific fields.

Quote:

Corporations are partially responsible too. Many corporations out there only accept bachelor's degrees for certain positions, even if it's just a sales position that shouldn't require any degree at all. Why do you need a degree at all to make appointments with clients and push a product onto them?




agreed.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: PartoftheSource] * 2
    #23663403 - 09/20/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A lot of guys now r basically woman mentally,so afraid to offend anyone,one of the reasons obongo got elected,usa is doomed,basically gonna look like a cross between mexico city and iraq in 20 years


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: Eminence]
    #23663429 - 09/20/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Academia is a cesspool.


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Re: Why are so many educated people so damn stupid? [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23663484 - 09/20/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PartoftheSource said:
No offense, but the way you described your mother is everything I hate about society.




I don't even know why she thinks that way, her parents didn't even graduate high school.


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