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45 CALIBER recommendations?
#23660188 - 09/19/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I fucking hate guns but I'm probably gonna have to get one. What's your favorite 45 and why?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Love_spirit]
#23660200 - 09/19/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Must it be a .45? 9mm though smaller, with current advancements in bullet technology, now attains and passes FBI requirements which is the industry standard.
The reason I ask is that, you say you hate guns, which leads one to believe you may be new around them. A 9 is easier to learn on due to less recoil, has more capacity and the likelihood to find one that fits your hand is greater due to the variety out there.
House gun or carry hardware?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Love_spirit]
#23660201 - 09/19/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It would kind of depend on what you intend to do with it.
Personally I like 1911's. They're sexy as hell looking IMO, they're reliable and time tested and of all the guns I shot, there was just this way the 2 I have shot fit so perfectly in my hand that it was more an extension of my arm than a weapon I was holding.
They're pretty heavy though and the full sized ones are kinda bulky for a concealed carry (not that it's impossible or that people don't do it but most people who conceal carry seem to prefer smaller, lighter guns).
EDIT and I meant to say what ^ he said (sort of). Why a 45 specifically? You don't necessarily need that for protection purposes. There are a lot of arguments to be made for smaller calibers, not the least of which: When it comes to using a gun in self defense the number 1 factor that is going to decide the outcome is how well you are able to use it, and .45 ammo is NOT cheap. It's about twice as much as 9mm, so you'll get half the amount of practice out of it. Not to mention the magazine sizes will allow you more follow up shots if necessary.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomslip]
#23660203 - 09/19/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Remington 1911 R1 Carry all the way baby.
Also, why do you say you're going to have to get one? That's kind of worrying...
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Greg]
#23660214 - 09/19/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't overemphasize the importance of what is its intended use?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Origyn] 1
#23660358 - 09/19/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get that Dirty Harry gun! I don't know if it's good or not, but ever since I saw the movie as a kid I wanted it.
Hey, Americans? Can you send me a Dirty Harry gun in the mail? I'll send you shrooms and gin in return. I am not a cop.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Love_spirit]
#23660388 - 09/20/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Personally I'd go with a Heckler and Koch Mark 23. Now I don't actually know the benefits or even the cost seeing as I just Googled .45 cal and picked the first one that popped up, but does look like a hell of a gun.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Love_spirit] 1
#23660400 - 09/20/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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op, my question to you is... why are you set on owning a .45?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Love_spirit]
#23660489 - 09/20/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most guns offer a variety of calibers in any given model, so you're better off looking at other factors like specific uses, size/weight, fit in hands, mag capacity/configuration, cost, etc. I say go into a gun store and take a look at and handle different types of gun to check and see what you like and dislike. The most overlooked consideration of caliber IMO is future gun purchases, because you don't want to have to stock up on multiple types of ammo for all the different guns you may eventually own if you can avoid it simply for cost and simplicity.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Turtletotem]
#23660507 - 09/20/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660510 - 09/20/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have 2 out of 3 of those..except my xds in chambered in .45.. i do not suggest it for the beginner at all.. the compact lightweight frame really doesnt allow for accurate shots. plus, i would never carry a 9mm for self defense.. i would have to have a bullet pass through someone and go hit something expensive or an innocent life. (if it came to that)
glocks are garbage.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660516 - 09/20/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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School us!
What is THE .45 ACP handgun you prefer for a beginner?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660519 - 09/20/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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SKOO TIME!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante] 1
#23660525 - 09/20/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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full size slides 5 or 6 inches on steel are usually good beginners. the added weight keeps the recoil down. most people with say the 1911 is not a good beginner weapon because of the ability to carry locked and loaded..however with a 1911 the heavier trigger pull will keep most people from shooting themselves in the leg if they forget the safety.
i will have to say, for someone that is beginning into the .45 range, i would send them to the berretta storm.. accurate, great trigger out of the box, easy to tear down and clean and you dont have to deal with the double single action like other berrettas that could kind of screw some beginners up.
the xdm is rumored to be the closest thing to a competition hand gun out of the box. it has a very clean trigger break and still has the safety shot feature (think glock)
i could probably go on for days. but here is the gist of it.
i will always carry around a .45 with hallow points as a self defense weapon. i think the velocity of anything less will do more damage to the surrounding areas than to someone trying to harm me. on that note, i also believe a handgun should feel comfortable in your hands. there is a big market out there and i cant stress enough the importance of a full length slide when beginning into handguns. the compacts are nice, but they wont get you to the decent shooting stage quick enough. they take more time and more rounds to really feel proficient with.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660539 - 09/20/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats an expert opinion right there, thank you
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660543 - 09/20/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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no problem man.. i know you have been kicking around the idea of buying a handgun for a while now..if you have any more questions, dont hesitate to ask man.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660555 - 09/20/16 02:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm open to owning one but it sorta would have to land in my lap and options would be limited if it does.
Probably a bit more like this:
Than like this:
I know that if it does land in my lap, I'm gonna need one later in life.
I wouldnt concealed carry unless there is a war on but its a good thing to have in your house, properly stored, in case you'd make a genuine enemy or get a home invasion. There's nothing of value in my house to get so when I get a home invasion I know they'll be coming for me. I take a strong stance against violent intolerant groups of all ethnicities, at some point someone might take offense at me. People tend to kill do-gooders like me, I would prefer to send the one who tries to heaven instead. Theres nothing unwholesome about self defense, especially if you're on the right side of the argument.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660563 - 09/20/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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im a big fan of self defense.
i think america has drawn a big skew of what self defense is. but thats why i carry what i carry. i know if i am ever going to have to use it in self defense i want to be absolutely sure that the projectile hits its intended target and stays put.
i dont want to be in the court room facing some crying brand new mom because the round went through 4 more walls than it was supposed to. that to me would make an already intense nightmare into something i dont have the words for.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660578 - 09/20/16 02:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I lived in America I would carry, absolutely, even in something as simple as a discussion on the internet you notice that a lot of you people are locked and loaded.
Let me explain that.
I had a topic some time ago about a friendly fight, illustrated by a hilarious Bud Spencer in memoriam vid. Turns out in the minds of many Americans there is no such thing.
Its in your culture that you have to get ready for a confrontation with an unexpected enemy which may come in numbers that you will have to meet with lethal force.
Thats something in the American psyche. The zombie apocalypse movie genre is a good example.
Other countries tend to be more relaxed, less lethal in their aggression.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660583 - 09/20/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats a pretty good observation...
90% of people i know here conceal carry almost on a daily basis.
i know america has some fucked up shit going on on the daily. from gangs, rapists, home invasions they all seem to be amplified here..
last time i was pulled over while carrying i told the cop when he came to the front door that i was carrying... he said, in this state everyone is carrying. just dont do anything crazy, ill be right back. came back with my ticket anyways.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660595 - 09/20/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm so leftwing the Democrats are not an option for me, but I'm a firm believer in self defense and the benefits of firearms in the right hands.
Everyone agrees that cops should have guns, and that the streets are safer because of cops with guns.
There are PLENTY of civilians who are more righteous, and I mean that in the good way, than most cops. If they are properly trained and armed, its safer.
Guns aren't the problem, guns in the wrong hands are the problem. If I'm in some diner and a berserk lunatic comes in shooting the people, and I have a gun, you can bet I'm gonna try what I can to get as many aimed bullets into him as fast as possible.
One can say that his gun is the problem, but no, In Japan some weeks back there was a guy killing people with a pocketknife.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660603 - 09/20/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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couldnt agree more.
now only if everyone could see that fact about its all in the people hands.
and i remember that dude in japan. he went batshit with that knife.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660613 - 09/20/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would much rather take a madman with a knife out with a gun than pounce a him like a 355 lbs grizzly.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660623 - 09/20/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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agreed..
a skilled person with a knife is fucking scary as shit.. some of those guys can skin a person quicker than a blink of an eye. i would rather not get within 7 feet of that.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660629 - 09/20/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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All it takes is an extension of the arm, driving the blade (or indeed screwdriver) between two ribs into the heart, and you drop like you're shot.
Never underestimate a blade.
This is mine by the way, I think you'll appreciate, a Fairbairn-Sykes Fighting Knife:

An altar piece of course, but if you had to carry a blade this would be the best thing since sliced bread. Only killing blade with a NATO catalog number.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660636 - 09/20/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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damn that is nice... is that hex made out of the same material as the handle? or is that steel as well?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23660641 - 09/20/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then this is better than sliced bread
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660642 - 09/20/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not concerned about practicality, I'm just damn impressed with this tool. 1200 rounds a minute, good recoil management, and uses .45acp.
I live in the UK, so apart from target shooting with .22 rifles and airrifles, I couldn't say. I don't know what's comfortable to use, what's reliable, what does the job for the right price. What's the price of standard .45acp rounds versus .40/10mm 9mm, or even 5.7mm if you're in one of the states that allows the FN five seven pistol?
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as far as ball ammo goes typically the rule of thumb is it is just about as expensive as the round is big. like .45 acp is typically right around .45 cents per trigger squeeze..
but that is just a rule of thumb.. if you know your rounds you can find them cheaper than than.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomism]
#23660660 - 09/20/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Then this is better than sliced bread

Actually I have a Fallkniven F1 too, thats more a knife you actually use, bushcraft and the like. Very good choice for a blade.
It sees most use from me in the kitchen when deboning meat.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23660663 - 09/20/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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rackem said: full size slides 5 or 6 inches on steel are usually good beginners. the added weight keeps the recoil down. most people with say the 1911 is not a good beginner weapon because of the ability to carry locked and loaded..however with a 1911 the heavier trigger pull will keep most people from shooting themselves in the leg if they forget the safety.
i will have to say, for someone that is beginning into the .45 range, i would send them to the berretta storm.. accurate, great trigger out of the box, easy to tear down and clean and you dont have to deal with the double single action like other berrettas that could kind of screw some beginners up.
the xdm is rumored to be the closest thing to a competition hand gun out of the box. it has a very clean trigger break and still has the safety shot feature (think glock)
i could probably go on for days. but here is the gist of it.
i will always carry around a .45 with hallow points as a self defense weapon. i think the velocity of anything less will do more damage to the surrounding areas than to someone trying to harm me. on that note, i also believe a handgun should feel comfortable in your hands. there is a big market out there and i cant stress enough the importance of a full length slide when beginning into handguns. the compacts are nice, but they wont get you to the decent shooting stage quick enough. they take more time and more rounds to really feel proficient with.
Heavier trigger pull compared to what? A 1000 yard precision rifle?
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Wow you wish the GI's had those in WW2 instead of thompsons, looks very impressive. It has that ripping sound like a miniature handheld MG42
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23661444 - 09/20/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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not too sure how useful that is, certainly a controlled burst only weapon. It's just, full auto is controllable. That's about a second of death in one direction. I don't know what .45acp can do but I imagine that'll do a lot of damage to a car, maybe stop the engine?
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I'm just taking a guess, but I would say probably the only way .45 is going to stop a car (short of a lucky shot or just a lot of rounds) is by busting the radiator and making it overheat the car. That can also take a lot longer than you'd really expect.
I doubt .45 is going to be very reliable at punching through the block and into the cylinder, and most of the vital components the car absolutely cannot run without are towards the back of the engine or protected by other parts capable of stopping/deflecting a bullet (like the alternator for instance).
The .50BMG is what is usually used when disabling a vehicle with a round is desired and that makes a .45 look like a BB.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomslip]
#23661718 - 09/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had one of these and loved it

It was cheap new, like $450 taurus millenium compact .45 acp held 8 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, was small enough decently accurate, very reliable. I loved that gun was one of my first pistols. Fun to shoot, and small enough to carry concealed daily.
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lol, people on psychedelics with firearms, now there's a scary thought.
If you're in a situation where you figure you'll need a gun to defend yourself what you should be getting is the hell outta there.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: BalzaSteel]
#23661947 - 09/20/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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so if you were in your home with your family and someone was breaking in you would just jump ship? I hope not. Every respectable dad should have a capable weapon for home defense.
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mt cleverest said: so if you were in your home with your family and someone was breaking in you would just jump ship? I hope not. Every respectable dad should have a capable weapon for home defense.
I'm 50 years old, I've spent probably 35 of those years in my home with my family, I've never needed the baseball bat I keep behind the door, furthermore, I've never even met anyone who has.
If someone was breaking down my front door I'd be getting my family out the back door, not putting them in a crossfire.
It's a well established fact that having a gun in the home increases one's chance of getting dead.
Don't take my word for it, and if you don't like that link a few minutes of googling will convince anyone with enough brain cells to keep each other company and the inclination to use them.
A responsible dad puts in an alarm and makes sure that all the doors and windows are secure so butheads can't break in, he doesn't make the home less safe by bringing in an item designed to kill people.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: BalzaSteel]
#23662077 - 09/20/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Having a gun in the home increases the chance of someone getting shot/dying"
I love when people use that argument.. You know, having a car increases the chance you'll die in a car accident
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomslip]
#23662099 - 09/20/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a pool, time to put on arm floaties. Took a while for the anti POV to enter discussion. I'm new on the site and rather impressed. American Academy of Pediatrics you say, lol.
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I wouldn't get too used to it. Honestly this is kinda rare. Usually any gun thread has all the anti-gun people coming out of the woodwork and in an hour you have 5 pages of the same posts that were made in the last gun thread.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Spoke too soon eh?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Origyn]
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I'm not anti gun, I have several in my gun locker at the rod and gun club, get a buck and a bull every year, I'm anti stupid.
But then I suppose it's a bigger problem down there, so many people breaking in have guns, most of them stolen from people like the OP.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: BalzaSteel]
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How would they be stolen from people like OP exactly? OP doesn't have a gun.
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
#23663759 - 09/21/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Get that Dirty Harry gun! I don't know if it's good or not, but ever since I saw the movie as a kid I wanted it.
Hey, Americans? Can you send me a Dirty Harry gun in the mail? I'll send you shrooms and gin in return. I am not a cop. 
You're going to love this one. The .44 Magnum has been outdone:
girlie gun
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rackem



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rackem said: full size slides 5 or 6 inches on steel are usually good beginners. the added weight keeps the recoil down. most people with say the 1911 is not a good beginner weapon because of the ability to carry locked and loaded..however with a 1911 the heavier trigger pull will keep most people from shooting themselves in the leg if they forget the safety.
i will have to say, for someone that is beginning into the .45 range, i would send them to the berretta storm.. accurate, great trigger out of the box, easy to tear down and clean and you dont have to deal with the double single action like other berrettas that could kind of screw some beginners up.
the xdm is rumored to be the closest thing to a competition hand gun out of the box. it has a very clean trigger break and still has the safety shot feature (think glock)
i could probably go on for days. but here is the gist of it.
i will always carry around a .45 with hallow points as a self defense weapon. i think the velocity of anything less will do more damage to the surrounding areas than to someone trying to harm me. on that note, i also believe a handgun should feel comfortable in your hands. there is a big market out there and i cant stress enough the importance of a full length slide when beginning into handguns. the compacts are nice, but they wont get you to the decent shooting stage quick enough. they take more time and more rounds to really feel proficient with.
Heavier trigger pull compared to what? A 1000 yard precision rifle?
heavier trigger meaning that it is more than 4lbs... in the same scenario that if something like forgetting to put the safe on and you put the gun in your holster after a unwanted event if you take a bad step its not going to blow your fucking leg off.
what people tend to forget, in the self defense world, if you are to have to pull your handgun out and shoot somebody, you will be so jacked up on endorphin and Adrenalin that you wont even know how to respond to the cops..
a light trigger pull for beginners is not ideal.
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Turtletotem
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23663846 - 09/21/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I can get my hands on a gass powered gun. Are they worth it or just kid's toys?
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Turtletotem]
#23664028 - 09/21/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I rock an HK MK23. Over the thousands of rounds I've put through it it has never jammed or malfunctioned on me. Incredibly light trigger with an effective range of over 100yds. Originally designed for special operations usage as a primary assault weapon.
Best handgun I've ever owned, costly, but worth it.
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luvdemboomers
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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
#23664117 - 09/21/16 04:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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rackem said:
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luvdemboomers said:
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rackem said: full size slides 5 or 6 inches on steel are usually good beginners. the added weight keeps the recoil down. most people with say the 1911 is not a good beginner weapon because of the ability to carry locked and loaded..however with a 1911 the heavier trigger pull will keep most people from shooting themselves in the leg if they forget the safety.
i will have to say, for someone that is beginning into the .45 range, i would send them to the berretta storm.. accurate, great trigger out of the box, easy to tear down and clean and you dont have to deal with the double single action like other berrettas that could kind of screw some beginners up.
the xdm is rumored to be the closest thing to a competition hand gun out of the box. it has a very clean trigger break and still has the safety shot feature (think glock)
i could probably go on for days. but here is the gist of it.
i will always carry around a .45 with hallow points as a self defense weapon. i think the velocity of anything less will do more damage to the surrounding areas than to someone trying to harm me. on that note, i also believe a handgun should feel comfortable in your hands. there is a big market out there and i cant stress enough the importance of a full length slide when beginning into handguns. the compacts are nice, but they wont get you to the decent shooting stage quick enough. they take more time and more rounds to really feel proficient with.
Heavier trigger pull compared to what? A 1000 yard precision rifle?
heavier trigger meaning that it is more than 4lbs... in the same scenario that if something like forgetting to put the safe on and you put the gun in your holster after a unwanted event if you take a bad step its not going to blow your fucking leg off.
what people tend to forget, in the self defense world, if you are to have to pull your handgun out and shoot somebody, you will be so jacked up on endorphin and Adrenalin that you wont even know how to respond to the cops..
a light trigger pull for beginners is not ideal.
My point was 1911's have some of the lightest triggers on a pistol out there.
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