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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
    #23660595 - 09/20/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so leftwing the Democrats are not an option for me, but I'm a firm believer in self defense and the benefits of firearms in the right hands.

Everyone agrees that cops should have guns, and that the streets are safer because of cops with guns.

There are PLENTY of civilians who are more righteous, and I mean that in the good way, than most cops. If they are properly trained and armed, its safer.

Guns aren't the problem, guns in the wrong hands are the problem. If I'm in some diner and a berserk lunatic comes in shooting the people, and I have a gun, you can bet I'm gonna try what I can to get as many aimed bullets into him as fast as possible.

One can say that his gun is the problem, but no, In Japan some weeks back there was a guy killing people with a pocketknife.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
    #23660603 - 09/20/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

couldnt agree more.

now only if everyone could see that fact about its all in the people hands.

and i remember that dude in japan. he went batshit with that knife.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
    #23660613 - 09/20/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would much rather take a madman with a knife out with a gun than pounce a him like a 355 lbs grizzly.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
    #23660623 - 09/20/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

agreed..

a skilled person with a knife is fucking scary as shit.. some of those guys can skin a person quicker than a blink of an eye. i would rather not get within 7 feet of that.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
    #23660629 - 09/20/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All it takes is an extension of the arm, driving the blade (or indeed screwdriver) between two ribs into the heart, and you drop like you're shot.

Never underestimate a blade.

This is mine by the way, I think you'll appreciate, a Fairbairn-Sykes Fighting Knife:



An altar piece of course, but if you had to carry a blade this would be the best thing since sliced bread. Only killing blade with a NATO catalog number.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
    #23660636 - 09/20/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

damn that is nice... is that hex made out of the same material as the handle? or is that steel as well?


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
    #23660641 - 09/20/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Then this is better than sliced bread



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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
    #23660642 - 09/20/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



I'm not concerned about practicality, I'm just damn impressed with this tool. 1200 rounds a minute, good recoil management, and uses .45acp.

I live in the UK, so apart from target shooting with .22 rifles and airrifles, I couldn't say. I don't know what's comfortable to use, what's reliable, what does the job for the right price. What's the price of standard .45acp rounds versus .40/10mm 9mm, or even 5.7mm if you're in one of the states that allows the FN five seven pistol?


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #23660646 - 09/20/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

as far as ball ammo goes typically the rule of thumb is it is just about as expensive as the round is big. like .45 acp is typically right around .45 cents per trigger squeeze..

but that is just a rule of thumb.. if you know your rounds you can find them cheaper than than.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23660660 - 09/20/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Then this is better than sliced bread







Actually I have a Fallkniven F1 too, thats more a knife you actually use, bushcraft and the like.
Very good choice for a blade.

It sees most use from me in the kitchen when deboning meat.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rackem]
    #23660663 - 09/20/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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full size slides 5 or 6 inches on steel are usually good beginners. the added weight keeps the recoil down. most people with say the 1911 is not a good beginner weapon because of the ability to carry locked and loaded..however with a 1911 the heavier trigger pull will keep most people from shooting themselves in the leg if they forget the safety.

i will have to say, for someone that is beginning into the .45 range, i would send them to the berretta storm.. accurate, great trigger out of the box, easy to tear down and clean and you dont have to deal with the double single action like other berrettas that could kind of screw some beginners up.

the xdm is rumored to be the closest thing to a competition hand gun out of the box. it has a very clean trigger break and still has the safety shot feature (think glock)

i could probably go on for days. but here is the gist of it.

i will always carry around a .45 with hallow points as a self defense weapon. i think the velocity of anything less will do more damage to the surrounding areas than to someone trying to harm me.  on that note, i also believe a handgun should feel comfortable in your hands. there is a big market out there and i cant stress enough the importance of a full length slide when beginning into handguns.  the compacts are nice, but they wont get you to the decent shooting stage quick enough. they take more time and more rounds to really feel proficient with.





Heavier trigger pull compared to what? A 1000 yard precision rifle?


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #23660672 - 09/20/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow you wish the GI's had those in WW2 instead of thompsons, looks very impressive. It has that ripping sound like a miniature handheld MG42


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Asante]
    #23661444 - 09/20/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

not too sure how useful that is, certainly a controlled burst only weapon. It's just, full auto is controllable. That's about a second of death in one direction. I don't know what .45acp can do but I imagine that'll do a lot of damage to a car, maybe stop the engine?


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #23661490 - 09/20/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just taking a guess, but I would say probably the only way .45 is going to stop a car (short of a lucky shot or just a lot of rounds) is by busting the radiator and making it overheat the car. That can also take a lot longer than you'd really expect.

I doubt .45 is going to be very reliable at punching through the block and into the cylinder, and most of the vital components the car absolutely cannot run without are towards the back of the engine or protected by other parts capable of stopping/deflecting a bullet (like the alternator for instance).

The .50BMG is what is usually used when disabling a vehicle with a round is desired and that makes a .45 look like a BB.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23661718 - 09/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I had one of these and loved it


It was cheap new, like $450 taurus millenium compact .45 acp held 8 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, was small enough decently accurate, very reliable. I loved that gun was one of my first pistols. Fun to shoot, and small enough to carry concealed daily.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23661857 - 09/20/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol, people on psychedelics  with firearms, now there's a scary thought.

If you're in a situation where you figure you'll need a gun to defend yourself what you should be getting is the hell outta there.



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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: BalzaSteel]
    #23661947 - 09/20/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

so if you were in your home with your family and someone was breaking in you would just jump ship? I hope not. Every respectable dad should have a capable weapon for home defense.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: mt cleverest]
    #23662049 - 09/20/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

BalzOut
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mt cleverest said:
so if you were in your home with your family and someone was breaking in you would just jump ship? I hope not. Every respectable dad should have a capable weapon for home defense.




I'm 50 years old, I've spent probably 35 of those years in my home with my family, I've never needed the baseball bat I keep behind the door, furthermore, I've never even met anyone who has.

If someone was breaking down my front door I'd be getting my family out the back door, not putting them in a crossfire.

It's a well established fact that having a gun in the home increases one's chance of getting dead.

Don't take my word for it, and if you don't like that link a few minutes of googling will convince anyone with enough brain cells to keep each other company and the inclination to use them.

A responsible dad puts in an alarm and makes sure that all the doors and windows are secure so butheads can't break in, he doesn't make the home less safe by bringing in an item designed to kill people.

Stay Safe

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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: BalzaSteel]
    #23662077 - 09/20/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Having a gun in the home increases the chance of someone getting shot/dying"

I love when people use that argument.. You know, having a car increases the chance you'll die in a car accident :cookiemonster:


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Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: 45 CALIBER recommendations? [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23662099 - 09/20/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have a pool, time to put on arm floaties. Took a while for the anti POV to enter discussion. I'm new on the site and rather impressed. American Academy of Pediatrics you say, lol.


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