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White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State
#23659588 - 09/19/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/19/josh-earnest-stresses-narrative-fight-with-isis-wh/
"White House press secretary Josh Earnest responded to the hunt for terror on Ahmad Khan Rahami on Monday by stressing America's "narrative fight" with the Islamic State."
From Earnest= "when it comes to ISIL, we are in a fight, a narrative fight with them, a narrative battle"
So according to Earnest, terrorist acts aren't really taking place, this is just a narrative battle?
How could someone say something so stupid? Well, he does work for Obama.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23659612 - 09/19/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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certain people shouldn't be able to own a bomb
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
#23659619 - 09/19/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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let's all fill our heads with cement. can't ever have nuance. let's just throw some bombs on the wall, and see what sticks.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
#23659988 - 09/19/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Was this statement made before or after the US recently bombed SAA forces so ISIS could advance into government territory?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/middleeast/syria-claims-coalition-airstrike-hit-regime-forces/
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Was this statement made before or after the US recently bombed SAA forces so ISIS could advance into government territory?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/middleeast/syria-claims-coalition-airstrike-hit-regime-forces/
so Obama is doing muslim things to advance the jihadi agenda
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
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If by Obama you mean him, his chief of staff, and nearly everyone in congress. Sure.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23660011 - 09/19/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Double speak in action. (inaction)
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Was this statement made before or after the US recently bombed SAA forces so ISIS could advance into government territory?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/middleeast/syria-claims-coalition-airstrike-hit-regime-forces/
What difference does it make? This is a real fight against radical Islam, even if Hillary, Obama and his retarded Press Secretary don't want to admit it.
These terrorist acts and Clinton's/Obama's reactions just sealed a Trump victory.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23660017 - 09/19/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obama is nothing more than a turd that needs to be flushed.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 3
#23660018 - 09/19/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23660026 - 09/19/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
What the US does in that part of the world is of little concern to most US citizens, it's about the homeland.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
You got that right.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
#23660072 - 09/19/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
What the US does in that part of the world is of little concern to most US citizens, it's about the homeland.
How is this even relevant?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
#23660126 - 09/19/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: What the US does in that part of the world is of little concern to most US citizens, it's about the homeland.
what the US has been doing in that part of the world for the last 70+ years is absolutely of concern to US citizens, whether they realize it or not.
that's the problem, is that it's not actually about the homeland.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] 2
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PeyoteZen said: Double speak in action. (inaction)
What exactly would you like to have done? Short of invading ISIS territory, what other military action is available to us?
It seems like the only way ISIS really affects us is making us over react. The threat of terrorism is so overblown. We spend so much time on something that statistically is almost nonexistent. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prevent a few dozen deaths a year. Maybe we should stop freaking out every time some islamic nutcase tries to kill a bunch of people.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods] 1
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Taking the whole area into context America's killed about two million so far. Vietnam was about 1.5 million all together. That's immense. That's like 10 of my home towns, with every single last citizen in it killed.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
#23660308 - 09/19/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Double speak in action. (inaction)
What exactly would you like to have done? Short of invading ISIS territory, what other military action is available to us?
It seems like the only way ISIS really affects us is making us over react. The threat of terrorism is so overblown. We spend so much time on something that statistically is almost nonexistent. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prevent a few dozen deaths a year. Maybe we should stop freaking out every time some islamic nutcase tries to kill a bunch of people.
Maybe stop sending cash and weapons to these nutjobs, and most of all: DO NOT support ISIS with airstrikes against the Syrian regime!!
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Turtletotem] 3
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or just get right the fuck out of their lives...
outta sight out of mind type deal.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
#23660343 - 09/19/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said:
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PeyoteZen said: Double speak in action. (inaction)
What exactly would you like to have done? Short of invading ISIS territory, what other military action is available to us?
It seems like the only way ISIS really affects us is making us over react. The threat of terrorism is so overblown. We spend so much time on something that statistically is almost nonexistent. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prevent a few dozen deaths a year. Maybe we should stop freaking out every time some islamic nutcase tries to kill a bunch of people.
note: this blip on the radar argument can be used against the gun control advocates, as well. now, taking that into account...forget the actual practical rationale for this discussion...let's talk ideology.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma] 1
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ideology is garbage, a lazy way to bypass real thinking. So naturally we all fall for it.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Turtletotem]
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it's fun when people realize they didn't know what they were talking about...most of us will die first, but it DOES happen.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 2
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Bombing terrorists and fighting them directly is like trying to stop a stream of water from going down a mountain; it'll branch off into other streams and continue indefinitely no matter how many side streams you block. However, the source of water up the mountain could be cut off entirely, stopping the flow of water down the mountain. The stream of water is terrorists, the source of water is a narrative that's so powerful that bombs and bullets won't do shit against it. The only way to win against it is to create a stronger, better narrative than the terrorist one we're fighting. In a game of strategy, even board games, every move that's not made offensively toward an objective (ie, defensive and lateral moves) is a losing move. Stomping out the metaphorical streams on the mountain, then jumping to contain the little side streams that branch off from it is an endless battle of defense because it's categorically not a move toward the true objective of stopping the water supply.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 2
#23660765 - 09/20/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
you cant deport US citizens.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
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PeyoteZen said: Double speak in action. (inaction)
What exactly would you like to have done? Short of invading ISIS territory, what other military action is available to us?
It seems like the only way ISIS really affects us is making us over react. The threat of terrorism is so overblown. We spend so much time on something that statistically is almost nonexistent. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prevent a few dozen deaths a year. Maybe we should stop freaking out every time some islamic nutcase tries to kill a bunch of people.
sounds like you're saying just the opposite of what you say in the gun debates
yet they just found 3 bombs, one that injured 28 people, in new york and new jersey and one terrorist nut job just stabbed 8 people before being stopped by a man with a gun
why do you hate americans so much that you want us disarmed and want more terrorists brought to the US to kill innocents, why do you downplay terrorism yet blow gun violence way out of proportion? it seems that not all acts of terrorism make the mainstream news and it seems that because you dont see it, it must not exist
http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/news/4522565-151/pipe-bomb-found-in-wallowa-lake http://ktul.com/news/local/device-thought-to-be-an-explosive-found-during-a-warrants-sweep http://www.ocregister.com/articles/downing-723088-explosive-possible.html http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/08/05/pipe-bomb-found-in-rodeo-park/ http://koin.com/2016/08/16/weapons-possible-pipe-bomb-found-in-home-near-school/ http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160706/pipe-bomb-building-materials-found-in-highland-home
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods] 1
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
you cant deport US citizens.
naturalized citizens can be denaturalized and deported
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk
"Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), is a major United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that citizens of the United States may not be deprived of their citizenship involuntarily.[1][2] The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim's right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. In so doing, the Court overruled one of its own precedents, Perez v. Brownell (1958), in which it had upheld loss of citizenship under similar circumstances less than a decade earlier."
"The impact of Afroyim v. Rusk was narrowed by a later case, Rogers v. Bellei (1971), in which the Court determined that the Fourteenth Amendment safeguarded citizenship only when a person was born or naturalized in the United States, and that Congress retained authority to regulate the citizenship status of a person who was born outside the United States to an American parent. However, the specific law at issue in Rogers v. Bellei—a requirement for a minimum period of U.S. residence that Bellei had failed to satisfy—was repealed by Congress in 1978. As a consequence of revised policies adopted in 1990 by the United States Department of State, it is now (in the words of one expert) "virtually impossible to lose American citizenship without formally and expressly renouncing it."[4]
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
What the US does in that part of the world is of little concern to most US citizens, it's about the homeland.
What a joke in the great u s of a you are more likely to die from the hands of a toddler than a terrorist... Why don't you look at the facts qman ?
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PeyoteZen said: Double speak in action. (inaction)
What exactly would you like to have done? Short of invading ISIS territory, what other military action is available to us?
It seems like the only way ISIS really affects us is making us over react. The threat of terrorism is so overblown. We spend so much time on something that statistically is almost nonexistent. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prevent a few dozen deaths a year. Maybe we should stop freaking out every time some islamic nutcase tries to kill a bunch of people.
sounds like you're saying just the opposite of what you say in the gun debates
yet they just found 3 bombs, one that injured 28 people, in new york and new jersey and one terrorist nut job just stabbed 8 people before being stopped by a man with a gun
why do you hate americans so much that you want us disarmed and want more terrorists brought to the US to kill innocents, why do you downplay terrorism yet blow gun violence way out of proportion? it seems that not all acts of terrorism make the mainstream news and it seems that because you dont see it, it must not exist
http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/news/4522565-151/pipe-bomb-found-in-wallowa-lake http://ktul.com/news/local/device-thought-to-be-an-explosive-found-during-a-warrants-sweep http://www.ocregister.com/articles/downing-723088-explosive-possible.html http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/08/05/pipe-bomb-found-in-rodeo-park/ http://koin.com/2016/08/16/weapons-possible-pipe-bomb-found-in-home-near-school/ http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160706/pipe-bomb-building-materials-found-in-highland-home
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods] 1
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
you cant deport US citizens.
I'm sure German Jews took great comfort in their citizenship as they were boarding the trains.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
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lol, wow. nice, uh, retort.
so you wanna send Muslims on planes and boats without due process and legal rationale for that process? are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for one class of citizen?
nah, i know you don't mean that.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: lol, wow. nice, uh, retort.
so you wanna send Muslims on planes and boats without due process and legal rationale for that process? are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for one class of citizen?
nah, i know you don't mean that.
Why do you constantly put words into my mouth? Did I say I want to see the US do that? No, I'm pointing out governments like the US have suspended the civil rights of US citizens under certain circumstances and that could happen again.
"are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for once class of citizen?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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"Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), is a major United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that citizens of the United States may not be deprived of their citizenship involuntarily.[1][2] The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim's right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. In so doing, the Court overruled one of its own precedents, Perez v. Brownell (1958), in which it had upheld loss of citizenship under similar circumstances less than a decade earlier."
"The impact of Afroyim v. Rusk was narrowed by a later case, Rogers v. Bellei (1971), in which the Court determined that the Fourteenth Amendment safeguarded citizenship only when a person was born or naturalized in the United States, and that Congress retained authority to regulate the citizenship status of a person who was born outside the United States to an American parent. However, the specific law at issue in Rogers v. Bellei—a requirement for a minimum period of U.S. residence that Bellei had failed to satisfy—was repealed by Congress in 1978. As a consequence of revised policies adopted in 1990 by the United States Department of State, it is now (in the words of one expert) "virtually impossible to lose American citizenship without formally and expressly renouncing it."[4]
oh... then all of these people that were denaturalized were not actually denaturalized with most being deported or fleeing the country. imagine that, according to 1 expert, it is virtually impossible... virtually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
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PeyoteZen said: Double speak in action. (inaction)
What exactly would you like to have done? Short of invading ISIS territory, what other military action is available to us?
It seems like the only way ISIS really affects us is making us over react. The threat of terrorism is so overblown. We spend so much time on something that statistically is almost nonexistent. We spend hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prevent a few dozen deaths a year. Maybe we should stop freaking out every time some islamic nutcase tries to kill a bunch of people.
sounds like you're saying just the opposite of what you say in the gun debates
yet they just found 3 bombs, one that injured 28 people, in new york and new jersey and one terrorist nut job just stabbed 8 people before being stopped by a man with a gun
why do you hate americans so much that you want us disarmed and want more terrorists brought to the US to kill innocents, why do you downplay terrorism yet blow gun violence way out of proportion? it seems that not all acts of terrorism make the mainstream news and it seems that because you dont see it, it must not exist
http://www.lagrandeobserver.com/news/4522565-151/pipe-bomb-found-in-wallowa-lake http://ktul.com/news/local/device-thought-to-be-an-explosive-found-during-a-warrants-sweep http://www.ocregister.com/articles/downing-723088-explosive-possible.html http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/08/05/pipe-bomb-found-in-rodeo-park/ http://koin.com/2016/08/16/weapons-possible-pipe-bomb-found-in-home-near-school/ http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20160706/pipe-bomb-building-materials-found-in-highland-home
Get back to me when bombs are killing 35,000 people a year
dont you mean 9000 per year since suicides dont actually count, but of course liberals want to strip us of that freedom of choice just like everything else
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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OP , saying they are in a narrative fight and a narrative battle in no way implies that they don't think real terrorist attacks are taking place or that there isn't a real fight going on with ISIS.
It just means that in addition to other forms of struggle there is also a narrative war going on.
The same thing was said about the fight with the nazis . That war includes a huge propaganda war, a narrative war.
All major wars and conflicts include a narrative component.
It doesn't mean that's ALL it is.
Propaganda/narrative battle is a key component of all conflicts since ancient times .
It's a hugely important part of war - who frames the story, who defines the conflict, who controls the meaning , who tells the story - who wins the narrative war.
That doesn't mean he is denying that actual attacks are taking place. It just means in this instance he is talking about the propaganda battle that is one major facet of the larger struggle.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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"Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), is a major United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that citizens of the United States may not be deprived of their citizenship involuntarily.[1][2] The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim's right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. In so doing, the Court overruled one of its own precedents, Perez v. Brownell (1958), in which it had upheld loss of citizenship under similar circumstances less than a decade earlier."
"The impact of Afroyim v. Rusk was narrowed by a later case, Rogers v. Bellei (1971), in which the Court determined that the Fourteenth Amendment safeguarded citizenship only when a person was born or naturalized in the United States, and that Congress retained authority to regulate the citizenship status of a person who was born outside the United States to an American parent. However, the specific law at issue in Rogers v. Bellei—a requirement for a minimum period of U.S. residence that Bellei had failed to satisfy—was repealed by Congress in 1978. As a consequence of revised policies adopted in 1990 by the United States Department of State, it is now (in the words of one expert) "virtually impossible to lose American citizenship without formally and expressly renouncing it."[4]
oh... then all of these people that were denaturalized were not actually denaturalized with most being deported or fleeing the country. imagine that, according to 1 expert, it is virtually impossible... virtually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States
excellent point...not.
yeah, hey genius, notice that there's a fuckin' reason listed along side all those notable people, there, Slim Pickens?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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Moonshoe said: OP , saying they are in a narrative fight and a narrative battle in no way implies that they don't think real terrorist attacks are taking place or that there isn't a real fight going on with ISIS.
here's the real narrative that the obama administration and other liberals seem to be battling
8 people stabbed in a mall by a muslim 29 people injured by bombs built by a muslim
numerous attacks by muslims over the last few years with liberals saying we shouldnt judge all muslims by the actions of a few while judging all gun owners by the actions of a few liberal criminals that used guns
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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"Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), is a major United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that citizens of the United States may not be deprived of their citizenship involuntarily.[1][2] The U.S. government had attempted to revoke the citizenship of Beys Afroyim, a man born in Poland, because he had cast a vote in an Israeli election after becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen. The Supreme Court decided that Afroyim's right to retain his citizenship was guaranteed by the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. In so doing, the Court overruled one of its own precedents, Perez v. Brownell (1958), in which it had upheld loss of citizenship under similar circumstances less than a decade earlier."
"The impact of Afroyim v. Rusk was narrowed by a later case, Rogers v. Bellei (1971), in which the Court determined that the Fourteenth Amendment safeguarded citizenship only when a person was born or naturalized in the United States, and that Congress retained authority to regulate the citizenship status of a person who was born outside the United States to an American parent. However, the specific law at issue in Rogers v. Bellei—a requirement for a minimum period of U.S. residence that Bellei had failed to satisfy—was repealed by Congress in 1978. As a consequence of revised policies adopted in 1990 by the United States Department of State, it is now (in the words of one expert) "virtually impossible to lose American citizenship without formally and expressly renouncing it."[4]
oh... then all of these people that were denaturalized were not actually denaturalized with most being deported or fleeing the country. imagine that, according to 1 expert, it is virtually impossible... virtually
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_denaturalized_former_citizens_of_the_United_States
excellent point...not.
yeah, hey genius, notice that there's a fuckin' reason listed along side all those notable people, there, Slim Pickens?
hey jeanius, did you not read my post about how people can be denaturalized
just so you know, Slim Pickens was born in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Pickens
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661046 - 09/20/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh my...my memory...holey shit.
and don't make me insinuate you, your Ladderiness, i'm this close.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661055 - 09/20/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: OP , saying they are in a narrative fight and a narrative battle in no way implies that they don't think real terrorist attacks are taking place or that there isn't a real fight going on with ISIS.
here's the real narrative that the obama administration and other liberals seem to be battling
8 people stabbed in a mall by a muslim 29 people injured by bombs built by a muslim
numerous attacks by muslims over the last few years with liberals saying we shouldnt judge all muslims by the actions of a few while judging all gun owners by the actions of a few liberal criminals that used guns
. You are delusional noone want s to take your guns away , it is understood the violent nature of this country we need guns to kill "domestic terrorists"
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
#23661058 - 09/20/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: OP , saying they are in a narrative fight and a narrative battle in no way implies that they don't think real terrorist attacks are taking place or that there isn't a real fight going on with ISIS.
It just means that in addition to other forms of struggle there is also a narrative war going on.
The same thing was said about the fight with the nazis . That war includes a huge propaganda war, a narrative war.
All major wars and conflicts include a narrative component.
It doesn't mean that's ALL it is.
Propaganda/narrative battle is a key component of all conflicts since ancient times .
It's a hugely important part of war - who frames the story, who defines the conflict, who controls the meaning , who tells the story - who wins the narrative war.
That doesn't mean he is denying that actual attacks are taking place. It just means in this instance he is talking about the propaganda battle that is one major facet of the larger struggle.
"Propaganda/narrative battle is a key component of all conflicts"
I agree, so why did he "focused on the important of 'debunking' false narratives and not painting Muslims with a 'broad brush'"?
What's the false narrative being painted? That Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the US and EU today? That's the truth.
Is it also a false narrative the most of the terror cell members inside of the US and EU are Muslims? No, that's the truth.
The only false narrative that is being painted is that radical Islam isn't the problem when it comes to terrorism inside the US and EU.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661061 - 09/20/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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The only false narrative that is being painted is that radical Islam isn't the problem when it comes to terrorism inside the US and EU.
not really. you already created a false narrative evident directly in your post. so is it radical Muslims?
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That Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the US and EU today? That's the truth.
or just "Muslims".
is it alot of Muslims, then, because that's plural...or...is it all? no one can be sure what you mean.
see, this is creating a false narrative. you do it. the media does it. people in general do it, especially when they are emotionally involved.
PS: the truth is using the religion as a broad brush, is disingenuous.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661081 - 09/20/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Should we judge all muricans cuz some like to molest children and go on a shooting spree ? No that would not make any sense.. So stop labeling Muslims as terrorist , you should respect , admire and look up to them Quote:
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Liar ? I thought there were more guns in the united states than people.. Yet I don't know anyone who owns a gun and I live in Texas I love guns as much as the next redneck but you folks have a gun fetish. .. Gun owners own several firearms .
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661088 - 09/20/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't get to say someone is trying to take ur guns away when there are more firearms than people in the USA..... If conservative s used common sense instead of fear mongering Obama would have never been elected.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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The only false narrative that is being painted is that radical Islam isn't the problem when it comes to terrorism inside the US and EU.
not really. you already created a false narrative evident directly in your post. so is it radical Muslims?
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That Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the US and EU today? That's the truth.
or just "Muslims".
is it alot of Muslims, then, because that's plural...or...is it all? no one can be sure what you mean.
see, this is creating a false narrative. you do it. the media does it. people in general do it, especially when they are emotionally involved.
PS: the truth is using the religion as a broad brush, is disingenuous.
"not really"
Yet, Clinton, Obama and his crew refuse to even say the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism".
"this is creating a false narrative"
No, the truth isn't a false narrative. Acknowledging that Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist acts inside of the US and EU is a FACT, not a false narrative.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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The only false narrative that is being painted is that radical Islam isn't the problem when it comes to terrorism inside the US and EU.
not really. you already created a false narrative evident directly in your post. so is it radical Muslims?
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That Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the US and EU today? That's the truth.
or just "Muslims".
is it alot of Muslims, then, because that's plural...or...is it all? no one can be sure what you mean.
see, this is creating a false narrative. you do it. the media does it. people in general do it, especially when they are emotionally involved.
PS: the truth is using the religion as a broad brush, is disingenuous.
"not really"
Yet, Clinton, Obama and his crew refuse to even say the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism".
"this is creating a false narrative"
No, the truth isn't a false narrative. Acknowledging that Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist acts inside of the US and EU is a FACT, not a false narrative. 
Domestic terrorism kills far more inside the USA than Muslim terrorism. Should we acknowledge the fact a lot of terrorist are Americans ?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661109 - 09/20/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: You are delusional noone want s to take your guns away
LIAR!
Liar ? I thought there were more guns in the united states than people.. Yet I don't know anyone who owns a gun and I live in Texas I love guns as much as the next redneck but you folks have a gun fetish. .. Gun owners own several firearms .
you said no one wants to take my guns away, that's a lie. it doesnt matter how many guns are in the US, most progressives want to strip me and any other gun owner of our guns, even you are marginalizing gun owners by calling it a fetish because many gun owners have more than one and you've even used a racial slur
you're both a liar and a racist
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661113 - 09/20/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, the truth isn't a false narrative. Acknowledging that Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist acts inside of the US and EU is a FACT, not a false narrative.
you created a false narrative by substituting the narrative you preferred over the truth.
you stated that it was radical Muslims, then you hedged and said it was "Muslims"; plain and simple.
i asked, which is it?
correct the narrative to the truth.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661117 - 09/20/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: You don't get to say someone is trying to take ur guns away when there are more firearms than people in the USA.....
it's a fact, progressives like koods certainly want to start with weapons such as the AR15 and once those 'assault rifles' are banned, everything else would follow, you dont get to claim that just because there are guns that no one wants them banned, that's just like saying that just because there are drugs that no one wants that banned when we see that drugs have been outlawed because they were present, if there were no guns/drugs then no one would try to ban them no would they
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: you're both a liar and a racist
you've really become hazy with undue superstition and self-righteousness. 
i can't even tell if you're joking or not. perhaps that's for the best.
but really dude, if there was ever a gun control option, no one would be abrogated of their gun rights, they'd simply be told to register them.
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it's a fact, progressives like koods certainly want to start with weapons such as the AR15 and once those 'assault rifles' are banned,
just stop conflating those whom want to ban guns outright (not likely in the slightest, but regardless, they'd not be able to confiscate your guns, as it's unconstitutional to confiscate anyone's property, so it's even less likely then to be able to make a AR-15 ban, or any ban, that's within reason [save say, missile launchers, without the proper registration, for example])... yeah, stop conflating those people with people whom simply want sensible gun control.
then you won't come across as a Ladder Queen, and can at least be accurate.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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Domestic terrorism kills far more inside the USA than Muslim terrorism. Should we acknowledge the fact a lot of terrorist are Americans ?
we just saw an act of domestic terrorism committed by a naturalized american, so it would seem that you're right, it's kinda strange that he also just happened to be muslim like several others in recent news, remember the pulse night club shooting? I'm pretty sure he was both an american and a muslim and as crazy as it sounds, he was a 'domestic terrorist'
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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The only false narrative that is being painted is that radical Islam isn't the problem when it comes to terrorism inside the US and EU.
not really. you already created a false narrative evident directly in your post. so is it radical Muslims?
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That Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist attacks in the US and EU today? That's the truth.
or just "Muslims".
is it alot of Muslims, then, because that's plural...or...is it all? no one can be sure what you mean.
see, this is creating a false narrative. you do it. the media does it. people in general do it, especially when they are emotionally involved.
PS: the truth is using the religion as a broad brush, is disingenuous.
"not really"
Yet, Clinton, Obama and his crew refuse to even say the phrase "radical Islamic terrorism".
"this is creating a false narrative"
No, the truth isn't a false narrative. Acknowledging that Muslims are committing the vast majority of terrorist acts inside of the US and EU is a FACT, not a false narrative. 
Domestic terrorism kills far more inside the USA than Muslim terrorism. Should we acknowledge the fact a lot of terrorist are Americans ?
The vast majority of domestic terrorist acts inside of the US and EU are committed by Muslims.
"acknowledge the fact a lot of terrorist are Americans?"
They're are EU and US citizens that are MUSLIMS.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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you've really become hazy with undue superstition and self-righteousness. 
i can't even tell if you're joking or not. perhaps that's for the best.
but really dude, if there was ever a gun control option, no one would be arrogate of their guns, they'd simply be told to register them.
registration... so it makes it easier to confiscate them?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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slippery slope bullshit. you have no reason to think that it's a: going to make things easier to legally confiscate them (which if they tried, it'd be unconstitutional, so why not try to not be a pussy; you can arrogate to yourself your guns, at a constitutional level. do so.) and b: that that is their intent. no evidence whatsoever.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Alot of people would turn conservative in a heart beat because liberals are a bunch of pussies but then you fb]Prisoner#1 said:
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Kinko said: You are delusional noone want s to take your guns away
LIAR!
Liar ? I thought there were more guns in the united states than people.. Yet I don't know anyone who owns a gun and I live in Texas I love guns as much as the next redneck but you folks have a gun fetish. .. Gun owners own several firearms .
you said no one wants to take my guns away, that's a lie. it doesnt matter how many guns are in the US, most progressives want to strip me and any other gun owner of our guns, even you are marginalizing gun owners by calling it a fetish because many gun owners have more than one and you've even used a racial slur
you're both a liar and a racist
Most progressive s? People like you are the sole reason Obama got elected , normal regular everyday people like guns . then you go and say things like they want to take our guns and you seem crazy and biased to regular people hence the libtards get the vote. If you focused on real problems without thinking ur shit does not stink then winning the presidency would be rather simple , you not realizing this simply divides us more.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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People want to lean conservative but you people make it really hard
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661161 - 09/20/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Was this statement made before or after the US recently bombed SAA forces so ISIS could advance into government territory?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/middleeast/syria-claims-coalition-airstrike-hit-regime-forces/
so Obama is doing muslim things to advance the jihadi agenda
Just like every president since Eisenhower.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661163 - 09/20/16 09:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: Most progressive s? People like you are the sole reason Obama got elected , normal regular everyday people like guns . then you go and say things like they want to take our guns and you seem crazy and biased to regular people hence the libtards get the vote. If you focused on real problems without thinking ur shit does not stink then winning the presidency would be rather simple , you not realizing this simply divides us more.
obama is the sole reason that gun manufacturers have seen record sales over the last 8 years.
crazy innit
so why not tell us what the real problems are?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661171 - 09/20/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gun owners obv, they kill way more then Muslims so from a purely objective prospective they should be the first to go, right?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23661179 - 09/20/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Gun owners obv, they kill way more then Muslims so from a purely objective prospective they should be the first to go, right?
so you dont believe that people have a right to defend themselves against violent criminals and terrorists?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661192 - 09/20/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not if that resulting right results in more deaths then the terrorists and criminals originally committed. Now I'm not for an outright ban. You should still be able to keep a moss berg tucked under your bed for intruders, and get a pistol with the right documentation and a clean record. Its just the way you guys have things set up down there right now pretty much anyone can get anything at anytime. Which is kind of nutty.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661202 - 09/20/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: People want to lean conservative but you people make it really hard
It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, radical Islamic terrorism is a reality. Most liberals also acknowledge this fact, why do Clinton and Obama refuse to acknowledge it?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661210 - 09/20/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Roughly 50 people are slaughtered like Muslim pigs in the united states daily by Americans . roughly about 100 ( pretty extreme probraly biased high number ) people are killed by the so called naturalized Muslim citizen's. Your fear of Muslims is absurd you are 100 times more likely to die from ur fellow police officer or ur regular black thug than any Muslim jihad. Like I said you people need to focus on the real issues.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23661220 - 09/20/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Not if that resulting right results in more deaths then the terrorists and criminals originally committed. Now I'm not for an outright ban. You should still be able to keep a moss berg tucked under your bed for intruders, and get a pistol with the right documentation and a clean record. Its just the way you guys have things set up down there right now pretty much anyone can get anything at anytime. Which is kind of nutty.
"results in more deaths"
So that's your criteria for a sensible gun policy?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23661221 - 09/20/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, radical Islamic terrorism is a reality. Most liberals also acknowledge this fact, why do Clinton and Obama refuse to acknowledge it?
Seriously ? Have you known anyone who has known anyone who was killed by a Islamic terrorist ? No you do not so stop making it an issue when in fact it has never affected you or your loved ones..
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23661223 - 09/20/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Not if that resulting right results in more deaths then the terrorists and criminals originally committed.
so why not simply outlaw terrorism so we wont have to worry about being killed by terrorists, why not outlaw violent crimes so we no longer have to worry about becoming victims of those criminals
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Now I'm not for an outright ban. You should still be able to keep a moss berg tucked under your bed for intruders, and get a pistol with the right documentation and a clean record. Its just the way you guys have things set up down there right now pretty much anyone can get anything at anytime. Which is kind of nutty.
we made it illegal for criminals to own guns, for some reason the criminals dont seem to obey the laws, our guns arent just to keep criminals at bay, they're also to keep canada from invading
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661225 - 09/20/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: People want to lean conservative but you people make it really hard
It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, radical Islamic terrorism is a reality. Most liberals also acknowledge this fact, why do Clinton and Obama refuse to acknowledge it?
Seriously ? Have you known anyone who has known anyone who was killed by a Islamic terrorist ?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661228 - 09/20/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: People want to lean conservative but you people make it really hard
It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, radical Islamic terrorism is a reality. Most liberals also acknowledge this fact, why do Clinton and Obama refuse to acknowledge it?
Seriously ? Have you known anyone who has known anyone who was killed by a Islamic terrorist ? No you do not so stop making it an issue when in fact it has never affected you or your loved ones..
So your position on an issue is based on how it affects you personally?
And yes, I knew several different people that had family members killed on 9/11.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23661235 - 09/20/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: People want to lean conservative but you people make it really hard
It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, radical Islamic terrorism is a reality. Most liberals also acknowledge this fact, why do Clinton and Obama refuse to acknowledge it?
because they don't want to be become associated with lots of people whom espouse radical ideas, themselves.
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And yes, I knew several different people that had family members killed on 9/11.
my cousin was supposed to visit around that time, for vacation. lucky she didn't go, and pushed it back.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661237 - 09/20/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, radical Islamic terrorism is a reality. Most liberals also acknowledge this fact, why do Clinton and Obama refuse to acknowledge it?
Seriously ? Have you known anyone who has known anyone who was killed by a Islamic terrorist ?

That happened many years ago , chances are he didn't know any of the 3,000 that died that day. Car wrecks kill 10x as much every year but I never seen a thread about it on the shroomery. Islamic terrorism is not a real problem everyone knows that.... The USA always has an enemy and the jihads happen to be it at the moment.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
#23661240 - 09/20/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative, radical Islamic terrorism is a reality. Most liberals also acknowledge this fact, why do Clinton and Obama refuse to acknowledge it?
because they don't want to be become associated with lots of people whom espouse radical ideas, themselves.
sounds like they're trying to pander to voting blocks, hell, obama never stopped campaigning
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23661241 - 09/20/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The narrative they are fighting is the ISIS narrative that it is a war between Islam as a whole and the west / everybody else as a whole; while the USA wants to oppose that narrative in favour of one where it's a war between radical extremists and all good and civilized people Including the majority of Muslims .
The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims Condemn terror attacks and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam.
Sam Harris argues extensively that in fact radical extremism does follow directly from Islamic theology and scripture .
The US is afraid of the entire Islamic world buying into the Isis narrative and polarizing against them .
Sam Harris argues this is already the case.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so why not simply outlaw terrorism so we wont have to worry about being killed by terrorists, why not outlaw violent crimes so we no longer have to worry about becoming victims of those criminals
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Now I'm not for an outright ban. You should still be able to keep a moss berg tucked under your bed for intruders, and get a pistol with the right documentation and a clean record. Its just the way you guys have things set up down there right now pretty much anyone can get anything at anytime. Which is kind of nutty.
we made it illegal for criminals to own guns, for some reason the criminals dont seem to obey the laws, our guns arent just to keep criminals at bay, they're also to keep canada from invading
all that is backwards in your thinking is revealed comparing the two statements you just made.
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sounds like they're trying to pander to voting blocks, hell, obama never stopped campaigning
incidental of their chosen profession. a politician is an avatar of the auspices of the people their elected to serve. public image comes with the job.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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Seriously ? Have you known anyone who has known anyone who was killed by a Islamic terrorist ?

That happened many years ago , chances are he didn't know any of the 3,000 that died that day. Car wrecks kill 10x as much every year but I never seen a thread about it on the shroomery. Islamic terrorism is not a real problem everyone knows that.... The USA always has an enemy and the jihads happen to be it at the moment.
it happened 15 years ago, that's during the lifetimes of all of us but it's clearly not the only attack by radicalized muslims within the US and you're spending your time making it a game of team trivia. terrorism is terrorism and when it occurs it's all of us that are affected
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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so why not simply outlaw terrorism so we wont have to worry about being killed by terrorists, why not outlaw violent crimes so we no longer have to worry about becoming victims of those criminals
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Now I'm not for an outright ban. You should still be able to keep a moss berg tucked under your bed for intruders, and get a pistol with the right documentation and a clean record. Its just the way you guys have things set up down there right now pretty much anyone can get anything at anytime. Which is kind of nutty.
we made it illegal for criminals to own guns, for some reason the criminals dont seem to obey the laws, our guns arent just to keep criminals at bay, they're also to keep canada from invading
Because weapon manufacture is tightly regulated and controlled already. They come from designated factories and are heavily centralized. Making them harder to get would have an immediate and lasting impact.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
#23661254 - 09/20/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds like they're trying to pander to voting blocks, hell, obama never stopped campaigning
incidental of their chosen profession. a politician is an avatar of the auspices of the people their elected to serve. public image comes with the job.
which must be why hillary wanted to build a wall, and why she campaigned heavily for NAFTA and now denounces it as a bad idea... pandering is all it is
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661256 - 09/20/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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their are...Jesus, Laddie.
there are differing proponents within the electorate, with differing opinions.
blame the idiots in the country whom refuse to find common ground, and only wish to create schism within their countries population.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Not if that resulting right results in more deaths then the terrorists and criminals originally committed.
so why not simply outlaw terrorism so we wont have to worry about being killed by terrorists, why not outlaw violent crimes so we no longer have to worry about becoming victims of those criminals
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Now I'm not for an outright ban. You should still be able to keep a moss berg tucked under your bed for intruders, and get a pistol with the right documentation and a clean record. Its just the way you guys have things set up down there right now pretty much anyone can get anything at anytime. Which is kind of nutty.
we made it illegal for criminals to own guns, for some reason the criminals dont seem to obey the laws, our guns arent just to keep criminals at bay, they're also to keep canada from invading
Because weapon manufacture is tightly regulated and controlled already. They come from designated factories and are heavily centralized. Making them harder to get would have an immediate and lasting impact.
so criminals buy straight from the manufacturer
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
#23661260 - 09/20/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: their are...Jesus, Laddie.
there are differing proponents within the electorate, with differing opinions.
yes and when hillary's position changes like the shifting of the wind depending on which group she's speaking with, it's called pandering for votes
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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the manufacturer is already on Silk Road and beyond, making side bucks.
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there are differing proponents within the electorate, with differing opinions.
yes and when hillary's position changes like the shifting of the wind depending on which group she's speaking with, it's called pandering for votes
Hilary is a stupid cunt, what the fuck do you expect? i'm not shilling for Hilalry,...i mean i fucking call her HILAL-ry, fuck sakes.
is anything i'm saying getting through to you, at all?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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you said your a shill for hillary
we know.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661267 - 09/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are more likely to die from 100's of different ways than of terrorism , yet you claim is a problem. If I didn't know any better I would call your view on terrorism as brainwashing. Hell smoking cigs in the USA kills more people than terrorist ever had... And that's in 1 year pal....
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661271 - 09/20/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kinko said: You are more likely to die from 100's of different ways than of terrorism , yet you claim is a problem. If I didn't know any better I would call your view on terrorism as brainwashing. Hell smoking cigs in the USA kills more people than terrorist ever had... And that's in 1 year pal....
so you're saying I should embrace terrorism because it kills fewer people than smoking
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661274 - 09/20/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661275 - 09/20/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some Muslims are terrorists. Some Muslims (A lot) are the victims of terrorists.
So now what? A ban on Sunni Islam? Wahabism? Surely people are not painting Sufi and Shia Islam with the same brush?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661280 - 09/20/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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so you're saying I should embrace terrorism because it kills fewer people than smoking
No I'm saying don't you dare make changes in policy or spent my hard earned money on taxes to combat this non existent issue.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23661285 - 09/20/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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we know.
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Prisoner#1 said: hillary wanted to build a wall, and why she campaigned heavily for NAFTA and now denounces it as a bad idea...
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
#23661314 - 09/20/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It just means that in addition to other forms of struggle there is also a narrative war going on.
The same thing was said about the fight with the nazis . That war includes a huge propaganda war, a narrative war.
All major wars and conflicts include a narrative component.
It doesn't mean that's ALL it is.
Propaganda/narrative battle is a key component of all conflicts since ancient times .
It's a hugely important part of war - who frames the story, who defines the conflict, who controls the meaning , who tells the story - who wins the narrative war.
That doesn't mean he is denying that actual attacks are taking place. It just means in this instance he is talking about the propaganda battle that is one major facet of the larger struggle.
That makes too much sense for qman to understand....He doesn't deal with reality and logic very well.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
#23661321 - 09/20/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.
The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.
So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.
It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.
Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.
A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .
How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?
The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.
There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.
A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.
A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .
A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.
A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.
A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.
The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .
The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.
It's still a massive distraction from our real existential threat though- global environmental Collapse.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
#23661338 - 09/20/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: The narrative they are fighting is the ISIS narrative that it is a war between Islam as a whole and the west / everybody else as a whole; while the USA wants to oppose that narrative in favour of one where it's a war between radical extremists and all good and civilized people Including the majority of Muslims .
The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims Condemn terror attacks and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam.
"The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims Condemn terror attacks"
But that's a false narrative, a surprising amount of Westernized Muslims do NOT condemn these terrorist acts. Remember when the Muslim killed all of those gays in that Florida bar? His father said the gays deserved it but god should do the punishment, not man. The media didn't want to cover this fact.
"and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam"
Another false narrative, the vast majority of terrorist acts in the US and EU are inherent to radical Islam.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam? How about not letting those people to enter the US? How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Thayendanegea]
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It just means that in addition to other forms of struggle there is also a narrative war going on.
The same thing was said about the fight with the nazis . That war includes a huge propaganda war, a narrative war.
All major wars and conflicts include a narrative component.
It doesn't mean that's ALL it is.
Propaganda/narrative battle is a key component of all conflicts since ancient times .
It's a hugely important part of war - who frames the story, who defines the conflict, who controls the meaning , who tells the story - who wins the narrative war.
That doesn't mean he is denying that actual attacks are taking place. It just means in this instance he is talking about the propaganda battle that is one major facet of the larger struggle.
That makes too much sense for qman to understand....He doesn't deal with reality and logic very well.
It's a narrative that's going to put Trump into the White House.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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Moonshoe said: The narrative they are fighting is the ISIS narrative that it is a war between Islam as a whole and the west / everybody else as a whole; while the USA wants to oppose that narrative in favour of one where it's a war between radical extremists and all good and civilized people Including the majority of Muslims .
The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims Condemn terror attacks and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam.
"The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims Condemn terror attacks"
But that's a false narrative
see how easy it is?
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Another false narrative, the vast majority of terrorist acts in the US and EU are inherent to radical Islam.
no. http://www.start.umd.edu/research-projects/terrorism-and-extremist-violence-united-states-tevus-database read
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ugh, actually, honesty doesn't befit you. keep shilling anonymously please.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23661370 - 09/20/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam? How about not letting those people to enter the US? How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?
Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
#23661374 - 09/20/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.
The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.
So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.
It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.
Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.
A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .
How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?
The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.
There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.
A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.
A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .
A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.
A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.
A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.
The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .
The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.
It's still a massive distraction from our real existential threat though- global environmental Collapse.
I honestly wouldn't blame them. America's already killed about 2.5 million Muslims throughout the region. At this point you kind of deserve to have a dirty bomb go off in times square.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
#23661375 - 09/20/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.
The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.
So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.
It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.
Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.
A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .
How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?
The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.
There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.
A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.
A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .
A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.
A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.
A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.
The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .
The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.

Well said, many people in this thread can't see past their nose so they can't see the real potential threats down the road.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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they could be a possible convert.
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Well said, many people in this thread can't see past their nose so they can't see the real potential threats down the road.
he said the obvious that everyone already knows.
Jesus Christ,...with the assumptions. 
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23661384 - 09/20/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.
The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.
So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.
It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.
Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.
A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .
How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?
The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.
There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.
A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.
A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .
A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.
A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.
A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.
The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .
The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.
It's still a massive distraction from our real existential threat though- global environmental Collapse.
I honestly wouldn't blame them. America's already killed about 2.5 million Muslims throughout the region. At this point you kind of deserve to have a dirty bomb go off in times square.
You're seriously sick and fucked in the head, get help.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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Stop being so emotional. We're only taking like 3 or 4 thousand dead Americans in return for 2.5 million. Its not much.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661391 - 09/20/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam? How about not letting those people to enter the US? How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?
Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?
No it shouldn't be the same because they are two separate issues. Do I think we need tougher gun regulations in the US? Not really.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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Well I agree with most of what you wrote qman not letting Muslims come from parts where radical Islam is practiced is outrageous, first of all they can come now since there is no restriction and yet the chances of being killed by one is next to zero , and they hate us!!! So very much... I would still be more afraid of dying in a car crash is my fear justified?? Because urs is not.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam? How about not letting those people to enter the US? How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?
Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?
No it shouldn't be the same because they are two separate issues. Do I think we need tougher gun regulations in the US? Not really.
Ironic since white Americans go on shooting sprees every now and again with easily obtained firearms ... You are more likely to die from ur fellow american then a terrorist.... But you want to ban Muslims from coming to the USA from certain areas.... How could you not see the irony ?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661411 - 09/20/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
#23661441 - 09/20/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23661452 - 09/20/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Regulate as in.... Make sure you are stable before buying a weapon that is meant for complete human destruction... Banning guns is retarded in the end I'm just looking out for you.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23661458 - 09/20/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
It doesn't work cause you can just drive a couple hours and buy them in the next state over, smartass.
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.
Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
It doesn't work cause you can just drive a couple hours and buy them in the next state over, smartass.
Or in Chicago's case, the next county over.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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so you wanna send Muslims on planes and boats without due process and legal rationale for that process? are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for one class of citizen?
nah, i know you don't mean that.
Why do you constantly put words into my mouth? Did I say I want to see the US do that? No, I'm pointing out governments like the US have suspended the civil rights of US citizens under certain circumstances and that could happen again.
"are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for once class of citizen?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
So we're going to start curtailing citizens rights because of a vanishingly insignificant threat of terrorism?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam? How about not letting those people to enter the US? How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?
Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?
No it shouldn't be the same because they are two separate issues. Do I think we need tougher gun regulations in the US? Not really.
Ironic since white Americans go on shooting sprees every now and again with easily obtained firearms ... You are more likely to die from ur fellow american then a terrorist.... But you want to ban Muslims from coming to the USA from certain areas.... How could you not see the irony ?
You're hundreds of times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
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It's funny how these so called patriotic Americans are the first to cave to fear and start surrendering the rights of other people just so they have a sense of security. But, they are not willing to make any adjustment to their own perceived rights. They talk tough until you suggest that maybe people buying guns that can be used in terrorist attacks should have a thorough background check. OH NO THATS GOING FAR. Imagine if someone suggested we ban pressure cookers... The mushroom growers would be outraged.
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They are so predictable. There have been people like them in every generation. Same arguments. Different groups. They think this time is different. It never is. They're just small minded, fearful children.
They don't have any perspective either. The level of terrorist activity in this county is presently much lower than in the past. There were THOUSANDS of bombings in the US during the 60s, 70s and 80s.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You think they want to destroy them? 
ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
you cant deport US citizens.
I'm sure German Jews took great comfort in their citizenship as they were boarding the trains.
so now you openly acquaint your ideology with fascists? Do you have a problem with that or are you actually as bad a person as I always thought?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.
Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.
That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.
I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.
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so you wanna send Muslims on planes and boats without due process and legal rationale for that process? are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for one class of citizen?
nah, i know you don't mean that.
Why do you constantly put words into my mouth? Did I say I want to see the US do that? No, I'm pointing out governments like the US have suspended the civil rights of US citizens under certain circumstances and that could happen again.
"are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for once class of citizen?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
So we're going to start curtailing citizens rights because of a vanishingly insignificant threat of terrorism?
Like someone else pointed out, the risks are higher than ever before with large cities and powerful weapons.
"start curtailing citizens rights"
It's going to happen, civil rights are useless if the government can't ensure national security.
Would do you think is going to happen to innocent Muslims in Germany if they blowup a soccer stadium filled with 80,000 Germans? Ten's and hundreds of thousands will be slaughtered in the streets.
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"Powerful weapons" 
Have you seen their typical armaments? They dont even have capable anti-air systems. The best they got are 30mm cannons strapped to toyotas.
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ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.
Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.
you cant deport US citizens.
I'm sure German Jews took great comfort in their citizenship as they were boarding the trains.
so now you openly acquaint your ideology with fascists? Do you have a problem with that or are you actually as bad a person as I always thought?
I'm trying to illustrate how governments in the past have suspended civil rights and citizenship, I didn't say I support those actions.
"as bad a person as I have always thought"
I'm trying to show that these "rights" that people perceive as written in stone isn't always the case. Why are you prejudging my viewpoints on that subject?
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.
Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.
That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.
I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.
Crime comes from poverty. Not gun laws or culture.
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Have you seen their typical armaments? They dont even have capable anti-air systems. The best they got are 30mm cannons strapped to toyotas.
Hmm, we're talking about acts of terrorism in the US, not groups in the Middle East.
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No. Not everyone thinks with their reptilian brain like you. Most civilized people don't take revenge on innocent people.
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Hey, you know what the difference between 9/11 and a cow is? You cant milk a cow for fifteen fucking years.
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.
Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.
That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.
I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.
Crime comes from poverty. Not gun laws or culture.
Where does violent crime come from most often in the US?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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by the by, it seems that the conservative mantra to presume political bodies are consistently subject to the whims of nature regardless of forethought, so wtf, why bother trying to control anything, except the political body. no economic system is going to be controlled, just stick to gold.
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No. Not everyone thinks with their reptilian brain like you. Most civilized people don't take revenge on innocent people.
When things are civil I agree, but during moments of chaos all bets are off. I mean innocent people have never been slaughtered in human history.
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Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals.
Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?
Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.
Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.
That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.
I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.
Crime comes from poverty. Not gun laws or culture.
Where does violent crime come from most often in the US? 
poor people. are you unable to make a point?
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I think you're just itching for any excuse you can get to kill muslims because a)they're brown, and b) theyre not white.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Let me guess, innocent US citizens need to be killed in a terrorist act so people like you can feel better about things?
How come I was the only person to call you out on your sick wishes?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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Pretty mxn every recent terrorist was already known by authorities and already flagged and allowed to commit the act anyways .
The conspiracy angle is they allow these events to occur for political hay- making .
Regardless it shows little logic behind further draconian security measures as what we have Already would have been sufficient if all the warning signs were not ignored.
Even 9/11 came with ample warnings.
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Because relative to the amount of muslims america has killed 3 or 4 thousand is nothing. I think you're the only one who doesnt realize that the narrative that Islam is this grand omniscient evil is totally fucking backwards. If this was the 70's and the media gave the same sort of uncontrolled coverage they did back then public perception of this whole debacle would be markedly different then it is today. This has surpassed veitnam in terms of severity, and they got most of you believing Americas not even really at war anymore.
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because 1: nuance 2: ability to recognize sarcasm ie facetiousness and 3: the cognizance to see that you are essentially not saying thing new or original, just tired talking points that almost have no bearing on reality.
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Sam Harris Makes a compelling case that the deeply held theological beliefs of Muslims , when they eventually aquire access to nuclear weapons, really will pose an existential threat .
If they really believe what they profess to believe (and the prevalence of suicide bombing proves there truly are many true believers among them) then we have a real problem.
What happens when you take a suicide bomber willing to kill and die for his understanding of Jihad, but his vest is attached to a tactical nuke instead of a pipe bomb?
The whole idea of mutually assured destruction fails in the face of suicide bombers with an expectation of paradise through martyrdom .
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Moonshoe said: Sam Harris Makes a compelling case that the deeply held theological beliefs of Muslims , when they eventually aquire access to nuclear weapons, really will pose an existential threat .
If they really believe what they profess to believe (and the prevalence of suicide bombing proves there truly are many true believers among them) then we have a real problem.
What happens when you take a suicide bomber willing to kill and die for his understanding of Jihad, but his vest is attached to a tactical nuke instead of a pipe bomb?
The whole idea of mutually assured destruction fails in the face of suicide bombers with an expectation of paradise through martyrdom .
I like Sam but hes wrong on this one.
North Korea has nukes, fundamentalist as all hell, yet wont nuke anyone. Why? Because they know better. Pakistan knows better. Russia knows better. Iran knows better.
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That doesnt make any sense considering Pakistan already wields these weapons and hasnt made any moves yet. If you were to take the worst parts of that book and assume they all followed the ideology sure, you got a solid case, but the majority of muslims arnt even half assed adherents and most of them are chill and just want the same things out of life we all do. Its the media thats feeding you this image of them. Whens the last time you even talked to any of them?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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Sam Harris Makes a compelling case that the deeply held theological beliefs of Muslims , when they eventually aquire access to nuclear weapons, really will pose an existential threat .
if they haven't acquired it yet, they are not a threat. if you are talking about a Saudi threat, there are sanctions that can prevent them from formalising their nuclear abilities; if you're talking ISIS or the like, the concept is then laughable. they couldn't possibly nuke shit, and if they ever got their hands on one, out of the blue, it'd be unable to be launched, it'd have to be landed at a target...they don't even have the ability to make aircraft.......special ops can go in and take out the target if the slim chance happenstance occurs.
Sam Harris likes to frequently assert this zero tolerance ideology but oh God, people like to cite it even more.
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I am afraid you guys are missing the point.
We know beyond a doubt there are Islamic extremists willing to take a bomb, strap it on, and walk into a crowded place, and detonate .
We also know there are people who provide those people with those bombs.
When one of the latter people provides one of the former people with a nuclear or dirty bomb rather than a conventional bomb, we have a major problem.
When ISIS, or a group like ISIS, gets a nuke or a dirty bomb ; we have a problem.
There is simply no way to escape this logic .
We know people exist who as a result of radical Islamic beliefs ; detonate themselves .
The low body count so far is because of the limited technology used so far , nothing else .
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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You're at war with them, retaliation on their side is completely reasonable. As far as Im concerned you guys deserve to have a bomb go off in a suburb somewhere and wipe out a bunch of a innocent people. You sick fucks already killed 2.5 million of them.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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the problem with that thinking is that those who posses nukes tend to represent strong economic interests, which are actually primary. There is no economic gain to be had from mutual annihilation, and contrary to what some alarmists might say I don't think any world leaders are that daft, even the north koreans
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no. no one is missing the point. i mean, i got the point.
the hypothetical point is that IF Islamic forces HAD a nuke, and COULD launch it, they are more likely than any other group, save a sum few (or no? they are alone in this prospect?) to launch it, out of the regard for their beliefs ect....
that is fallacious logic, however, to presume that that instance (improbable, at best) must be met with equal determination to nuke the fuck out of them first; which is absurd. Sam Harris is fucking absurd. his followers make me want to shoot myself in the head for having to explain this shit over and over and over....
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That's not what Sam says, and it's not what I said .
What I said I simply that the small number of deaths caused by religiously motivated suicide bombing so far isn't reason for complacency because that number will become exponentially higher with the inevitable introduction of more powerful weapons used by the same people for the same ends they currently are using pipe bombs and suicide vests .
You don't seem to understand Sam Harris' actual position, and to be attributing to him a position he not only doesn't hold but has gone to great lengths to refute .
A common mistake , I encourage you to read and listen to more from him to get a firmer grasp on what he actually says and thinks about these issues .
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Who are you taking about when you say "you're" "you guys" "you sick fucks"?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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I believe he means the military industrial complex that is the USA, of course an individual has very little influence over all of that so I'm unsure of the value of attacking US citizens as directly responsible, especially since as Canadians we would also be responsible for the evils of america and its allies abroad
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A common mistake , I encourage you to read and listen to more from him to get a firmer grasp on what he actually says and thinks about these issues .
no, it's hilarious that you just act like every other inculcated that buys his idiot proposition.
it's well understood. there is no future weapons that they have. they have to develop those "future weapons" genius. and i've heard Sam Harris, read his dumb shit, so shove your arrogance round that corner of your head. seriously, idiot fucking bullshit all around. zero tolerance idiocy. IFS. what IFS. all hypothetical, and all fallacious reasoning. goddamn it, i'd recommend you read what i said, again and again until it sinks in; no future weapons, no nukes, if nukes, no need to attack them on the basis of the proposition that "their beliefs will make them more dangerous with better weapons" because A: they don't have that capability, and won't for any foreseeable future, and B: because the threat can be attacked with PRECISION, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE ON THE BASIS OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL BELIEFS IE THERE IS NOT THREAT WITH ALL OR EVEN A MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS BASED ON THE POSSIBILITY THEY MIGHT USE "FUTURE, MORE POWERFUL WEAPONS", BECAUSE IT'S A MINORITY OF MUSLIMS THAT WOULD HAVE SAID HYPOTHETICAL WEAPON AND THAT THREAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF WITHOUT RESORTING TO ATTACKING THE WHOLE OF THEIR CULTURE.
read some more YOURSELF, you ... can i just fucking insult something? i really want to call someone an idiot.
i seriously wish harm to Sam Harris. that idiot has fucking made so many other fucking idiots spout his idiot nonsense, he may have set critical thinking back 70 years. worse yet, these aspies fucking repeat ad nauseum the same tired, and blundering retort of "misunderstanding his point!" and goddamn it...*shoots self*
and who the fuck is complacent? ANOTHER FUCKING RETARDED IDIOT ASSUMPTION FROM HARRIS! YAY!!! YAYY!!! YAYY!!!! *shoots self*
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Um... Ok. He should have said that then, instead of saying "you, you sick fucks " as a reply to me.
And yeah, you can't blow up a mom and her little girl in a cafe and justify it as some kind of retaliation against a generic , undefined "you sick fucks "
If a guy you never met who lives in your country rapes my sister, I am not going to murder you and your wife and kids as if that is some kind of justice or retaliation.
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You are saying things that have no relation to anything I said or believe .
You are attributing positions to me that I never expressed or held .
You are getting angry at me for things I never said and don't believe.
You are identifying me with groups I am not a part of .
You are a screaming and shouting at someone you are not even talking to.
You are making all kinds of completely baseless assumptions, and attempting to compensate for a total lack of understanding of what I am actually saying with anger and volume .
You are so far off base on literally every level, that it's meaningless for me to engage with you until you Attain some common ground with anything I had actually said or believe.
As a tiny sample of what you are off base on, I am myself a Muslim.
I never once advocated any form of violence or attack on anyone , Muslim or otherwise .
I never said I take the exact same position as Sam Harris on anything .
I never said I support any kind of attack on Muslim people whatsoever .
You are literally screaming and melting down about things I never said and don't think, and you are assuming I am someone totally different than who I actually am.
I would encourage you to try harder in future to respond to what people actually say, and ask questions to clarify the other persons actual views, before you start screaming in all caps and melt down about things that no one ever said .
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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you are another *person* who rambles about Sam Harris, the same dumb shit we've all heard before, want me to post a fucking youtube video, so we can review the same tired retarded idea? nukes! what ifs! their beliefs are dangerous, intrinsically; they are dangerous with more dangerous weapons, like nukes; if they ever had them we'd have to attack with even greater force than we're comfortable with, because they won't hesitate to attack us. a FIRST STRIKE OPTION IS PREFERABLE, if they have nukes, we nuke them first!
TELL ME THAT ISN'T HIS POSITION AGAIN
you're AGREEING with HIS PROPOSITION. your STANCE is completely CONFUSED IDIOCY.
and you're being yelled at (hypothetically) because literally this dumb proposition from that MORON Harris has been driven into the dirt already, ten billion times, and has been wrong every step of the way, and you freaking *people* can't be told enough how asinine a proposition it is that he holds, which you *people* consistently tout as some kind of breath of genius thinking, which is fallacious at the VERY BEST of it's conclusions. and then everytime someone refutes it for the fallacious, zero tolerance slippery slope bullshit that it is, you *people* just repeat the words "you misunderstood his point!"
NO, NOT REALLY. but if you can explain HOW you think i did, i'd gladly hear you out. you SIMPLY WILL NOT, however.
thankfully, because if you did, we end up going in circles, because you already think i misunderstood his point, even though i've illustrated it, and refuted it as idiocy.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe] 1
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A whole lotta ridiculous lib logic in this thread. It's like saying you needn't board your windows during the beginning stages of a hurricane because only a couple patio chairs and some wind chimes have been knocked over. And rather you should wait until your windows actually start getting busted out first before you start boarding them up mid-hurricane.
Mother fuckers be shouting "Death to America" and have clearly stated ambitions to kill Americans on American soil. Some of it is motivated by religious intolerance toward non-muslims and some of it is righteous anger toward American military interventionist policies. Only the latter is understandable. But they are barking up the wrong tree if they think average Americans are chiefly responsible and therefore deserving of the retribution. That Somali shithead in Minnesota the other day... he went around asking people if they were Muslim or not, and then proceeded to stab away with a knife. What in the ever-loving fuck is that shit? That's a far cry from justified righteous retribution against the few key foreign policy officials in government who are responsible for meddling and toppling Islamic nations. That's why terrorism (ie: hitting soft targets consisting of random John Q. Publics) is fucking pathetic and unrighteous as all hell. If want to combat American military forces, give them a reason to pack it up and go home. But at the end of the day, it transcends any rational urge for retribution. Radicalized Islamic Terrorists just want to exterminate westerners for ideological reasons, not for reasons of defense and self-preservation.
But now I'm just stating the obvious.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
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metaphors. all you shysters have is metaphors. (no, not Moonshoe, he's just apparently gullible. Sam Harris is misunderstood, save the 8 Gorillion! *shoots self for using overused meme out of context and making time warps a hypothetical*
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You're at war with them, retaliation on their side is completely reasonable. As far as Im concerned you guys deserve to have a bomb go off in a suburb somewhere and wipe out a bunch of a innocent people. You sick fucks already killed 2.5 million of them.
Who are you taking about when you say "you're" "you guys" "you sick fucks"?
Surely you aren't addressing these comments to me ?
You as in the general american population. Objectively your populations deserve to be attacked. Ours do too. If it happened here I wouldnt even object. Not that its right, or I even want it to happen, but its a natural result of warfare and you shouldnt be surprised by its consequences.
Its ridiculous that you're actually scared of them fighting back.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Mother fuckers be shouting "Death to America" and have clearly stated ambitions to kill Americans on American soil. Some of it is motivated by religious intolerance toward non-muslims and some of it is righteous anger toward American military interventionist policies. Only the latter is understandable. But they are barking up the wrong tree if they think average Americans are chiefly responsible and therefore deserving of the retribution. That Somali shithead in Minnesota the other day... he went around asking people if they were Muslim or not, and then proceeded to stab away with a knife. What in the ever-loving fuck is that shit? That's a far cry from justified righteous retribution against the few key foreign policy officials in government who are responsible for meddling and toppling Islamic nations. That's why terrorism (ie: hitting soft targets consisting of random John Q. Publics) is fucking pathetic and unrighteous as all hell. If want to combat American military forces, give them a reason to pack it up and go home. But at the end of the day, it transcends any rational urge for retribution. Radicalized Islamic Terrorists just want to exterminate westerners for ideological reasons, not for reasons of defense and self-preservation.
But now I'm just stating the obvious.
yes, you are. no one is saying the individuals deserved attack, personally. but that your COUNTRY, dot dot dot... (not that i'm saying that) also, what Bodhi said, was that it WAS UNDERSTANDABLE
please, do try and use that interpreter of yours in your head.
and i hope making words bigger, helps.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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Like just in sheer numbers this is almost halfway towards the total number of jews killed in the holocaust. Its just mind boggling anyone would think they wouldnt want to strike back.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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"You as in the general American population"
So in other words , NOT me then.
I am not an American.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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You're following the narrative that theres millions of terrorists out there just waiting for the orders to strike and kill anyone, so yes, you too.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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who even cares about understanding the most common contentions which prove their assertions, and their beliefs, wrong?
i understand a couple things through my time on this planet, that is a consistent rationale for people doing asshole things here. 1: people are authoritarian because people are stupid. i'm constantly given rationale as to why this is useful, although, it has to be done by force, which i don't agree with at all; though i understand it. silence the idiots is "something" it could accomplish. useful if you can prove some adherents of certain ideologies and certain platitudes to be wrong though insistent on idiotically touting their wrongness as righteous goodness (ie like extreme SJW authoritarians) only, the thing is it clashes with any sensible response: again, though, i get how people get to that point, i think. a person can only take so much stupid before their brain boils into goo. 2: people also kill people for the same reasons, either that, or they simply snap over ideological bullshit, or perhaps, due to stressors in their life, due to lifestyle, economic situation, ect ect.
i get it. not saying i endorse it, just that i get it.
politics is funny. it makes me sick and also makes me laugh and not give a fuck. so much idiots that repeat ad nauseum, it makes your head spin. in fact, it makes no sense. it makes no fucking sense how people can be this blitheringly stupid as to never let go of a failed fucking premise or faulty fucking conclusion to stupid idiot pseudointellectual moron reactionaries whom want spotlights and, of all things on this disgraceful shit planet, views and likes! or booksales!
*shoots self*
nuclear first option if they get hypothetical future weapons!!!!
STFU ALREADY!!!!!!
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma] 1
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akira_akuma said: metaphors. all you shysters have is metaphors. (no, not Moonshoe, he's just apparently gullible. Sam Harris is misunderstood, save the 8 Gorillion! *shoots self for using overused meme out of context and making time warps a hypothetical*
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Akira, I am afraid I simply can't understand you at all.
I have no idea what you are trying to say or who you think you are saying it to, and I have no idea what you think I am saying .
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
#23662282 - 09/20/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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NUCLEAR FIRST OPTION AGAINST "ISLAM" IF "THEY" GET HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE WEAPONS, BECAUSE THEIR BELIEFS IN THE SCRIPTURE IS INSUPERABLE
even though that's a slippery slope, zero tolerance, last-ditch-effort, reactionary, stupid, and overblown hyperbole.
*shoots self*
how many times can this obvious logic be rained down on the Harris/internet-idiocy parrots?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: You're following the narrative that theres millions of terrorists out there just waiting for the orders to strike and kill anyone, so yes, you too.
I am afraid you don't understand what I said or meant to say, and your comments therefore don't apply to me but rather to whatever straw man you have in your head .
Like Akira , you are a having an argument with yourself .
You certainly aren't talking or listening to me .
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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you are not listening to anyone. here let me make this clear for you. YOU LAST POSTULATION HERE WAS WRONG.
so can you just STFU? or just come up with a response. A REPONSE, or just STFU, would suffice. no more of your baffled excuses. i mean, i know your a fucking Muslim, but please, rationality, none of this baffled arrogant bullshit.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: NUCLEAR FIRST OPTION AGAINST "ISLAM" IF "THEY" GET HYPOTHETICAL FUTURE WEAPONS, BECAUSE THEIR BELIEFS IN THE SCRIPTURE IS INSUPERABLE
even though that's a slippery slope, zero tolerance, last-ditch-effort, reactionary, stupid, and overblown hyperbole.
*shoots self*
how many times can this obvious logic be rained down on the Harris/internet-idiocy parrots?
I am glad you started replying to your own posts, to reflect that fact you aren't having a conversation with anybody but just screaming at yourself .
I never said anything about a nuclear first option or anything even remotely related to that .
I sincerely think you should step away from the computer , take a few deep breaths and relax for a while .
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: you are not listening to anyone. here let me make this clear for you. YOU LAST POSTULATION HERE WAS WRONG.
so can you just STFU? or just come up with a response. A REPONSE, or just STFU, would suffice. no more of your baffled excuses. i mean, i know your a fucking Muslim, but please, rationality, none of this baffled arrogant bullshit.
All I said in the post you linked to there is that when the kind of terrorists attacks that Have already occurred are carried out using more powerful weapons such as dirty bombs (which are not future weapons but weapons that already exist and are relatively low tech ) more people will die in those attacks than have so far .
This is obvious and undeniable , and has no relation to all the stuff you are screaming about.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
#23662303 - 09/20/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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STFU. you ever get the impression that someone just isn't getting something...you're not getting it. please try and get it, or just Shuuuutt theeeeeefuuuuckkk uupppppp already. 
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straw man you have in your head .
YOUR HEAD, insufferable *person*.
Harris's argument has been refuted, you still ascribe to it, hence you are also refuted, and it's been shown above -- do you have any response or refutation? no? then stfu.
the strawman is "Muslims have it out for us, in a future hypothetical sense, if they get better weapons, we'll need to consider a nuclear first strike".
that's the strawman to begin with!
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I never said anything about a nuclear first option or anything even remotely related to that .
ya, but you're another flatulent who keeps spouting that Harris "had a point" and "he was right", and pursuing that line of "reasoning" (faulty) which can proven idiotic reactionary bullshit, time and time again, and YOU ASCRIBE TO IT IN YOUR POSTS, IN TANDEM WITH WHAT YOU YOURSELF ALONE IS SAYING. so stop acting like such an arrogant unaware flatulent feigning your own daftness! it's fucking pathetic how little sense you goddamn have!
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Terrorism has become a total fantasy thats not even reflective of whats actually happening on the ground. They got the public perception of it so thoroughly throttled that theres not an ounce of resistance to it anywhere. Its almost Orwellian in its scope and scale.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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i can see that. it's like talking to a fucking memory holed truth minister from the planet Holy Fucktard.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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All I said in the post you linked to there is that when the kind of terrorists attacks that Have already occurred are carried out using more powerful weapons such as dirty bombs (which are not future weapons but weapons that already exist and are relatively low tech ) more people will die in those attacks than have so far .
HYPOTHETICAL WOO
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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I never said anything about a nuclear first strike or anything even remotely related to it.
i am sorry Akira but you are not mentally healthy , and it's obvious that your agitation levels are rising the more you engage in this imaginary argument with yourself.
If it helps you to imagine that I said or believe any of the words you have put in my mouth, feel free to do so.
I hope someday you can live in a world that has enough overlap with reality to make communication with other humans possible .
It must be terribly lonely , and frustrating, being trapped alone in your head with a bunch of imaginary people who say things that make you angry.
Breathe deep, seek peace .
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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AA in meltdown mode.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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You do realize how immature you sound by making passive aggressive apologies, right?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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it'd be nice if Moonshoe had a shred of what he was missing, either A: sense to find a clue that he's been proven wrong, and the guts to admit it and express how he grasped that himself, and B: a brain, in general.
it's like when you've been refuted with logic, no amount of repeating yourself will change things, unless you can drive the person nuts. i have a low threshold for people being intentionally dense, or for those who are too asinine to comprehend when they've been shot down (by, lo' and behold, nuclear missiles).
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Sam Harris Makes a compelling case that the deeply held theological beliefs of Muslims , when they eventually aquire access to nuclear weapons, really will pose an existential threat .
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it should be of particular concern to us that the beliefs of Muslims pose a special problem for nuclear deterrence. There is little possibility of our having a cold war with an Islamist regime armed with long-range nuclear weapons. A cold war requires that the parties be mutually deterred by the threat of death. Notions of martyrdom and jihad run roughshod over the logic that allowed the United States and the Soviet Union to pass half a century perched, more or less stably, on the brink of Armageddon. What will we do if an Islamist regime, which grows dewy-eyed at the mere mention of paradise, ever acquires long-range nuclear weaponry? If history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the offending warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we will be unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to destroy them. In such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own. Needless to say, this would be an unthinkable crime—as it would kill tens of millions of innocent civilians in a single day—but it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe. How would such an unconscionable act of self-defense be perceived by the rest of the Muslim world? It would likely be seen as the first incursion of a genocidal crusade. The horrible irony here is that seeing could make it so: this very perception could plunge us into a state of hot war with any Muslim state that had the capacity to pose a nuclear threat of its own. All of this is perfectly insane, of course: I have just described a plausible scenario in which much of the world’s population could be annihilated on account of religious ideas that belong on the same shelf with Batman, the philosopher’s stone, and unicorns. That it would be a horrible absurdity for so many of us to die for the sake of myth does not mean, however, that it could not happen. Indeed, given the immunity to all reasonable intrusions that faith enjoys in our discourse, a catastrophe of this sort seems increasingly likely. We must come to terms with the possibility that men who are every bit as zealous to die as the nineteen hijackers may one day get their hands on long-range nuclear weaponry. The Muslim world in particular must anticipate this possibility and find some way to prevent it. Given the steady proliferation of technology, it is safe to say that time is not on our side.
he's an idiot. you agreed with him. you say you didn't say "anything of the sort" but you're also saying that you agree with this idiots "case", while conveniently opting out of knowledge of the main header of his fucking "case". SO STFU ALREADY AND JUST SAY "boy, i didn't realize i was being such an idiot! let me think about this!"
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It must be terribly lonely , and frustrating, being trapped alone in your head with a bunch of imaginary people who say things that make you angry.
Breathe deep, seek peace .
says the Muslim who believes in a sky god, and can't comprehend things that his own head muddles through.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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no, it's you groupthink freaks that are stupid as hell.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
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qman said: AA in meltdown mode. 
Libs are stupid as hell.
Moonshoe is just making some excellent points and it's too difficult for many to accept, therefore meltdown mode.
Terrorist acts are not equal to lone criminal acts, it's a completely a different matter, many can't accept that reality.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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lolwut, america didnt even attack the right country in retaliation. Saudi Arabia is where the attacks originated. They were well aware of this too, maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda? I mean if the war on terror was designed to stop it its a total failure. Terrorism is up 6,500%. With that number alone one would have to assume that promotion of terror might have been the intended effect.
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qman said: AA in meltdown mode. 
Libs are stupid as hell.
Moonshoe is just making some excellent points and it's too difficult for many to accept, therefore meltdown mode.
Terrorist acts are not equal to lone criminal acts, it's a completely a different matter, many can't accept that reality.
no, you fucking baffling person you, his dumb shit has been refuted.
Sam Harris's "essay" has also been refuted in it's aspect of being a hypothetical, slippery slope, zero tolerance, last-ditch-effort, reactionary, stupid, and overblown hyperbole.
see: top of thread: read: respond: refute: or stfu and admit defeat entirely, or skulk away in silence. just please, don't repeat the same stupid post for umpteenth time. YOU weren't right. HE isn't right. he's been REFUTED. as has Sam Harris in his argument, in his essay.
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Terrorist acts are not equal to lone criminal acts, it's a completely a different matter, many can't accept that reality.
they aren't "lone criminal acts"? what are they? "future criminal acts of more prevalent danger"? "super criminal acts"? "something else other than criminal?" perhaps a new word maybe? do you have one to define what they're doing other than criminal?
or do you mean it's a "non-lone criminal act".
WTF DOES YOUR ASS MEAN?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda?
No shit, Sherlock. Just like the Obama White House is actively lying to us to pursue yet another hidden agenda. We can't change the past but we can change the present and affect the future. Which is why we don't want Obama's bleeding heart refugee plan, nor do we want Hillary's 500% increase of the same.
This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.
I'd like to see Bush, Obama, and Clinton hanged or lined up before firing squads for their own individual acts of treason. Not like that'll ever happen, but that's where I stand insofar as "partisan allegiances" go.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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here is Sam Harris's "case" (the moron)
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy
here is his idea of a nuclear strike against a hypothetical and hyperbolic threat of 'future scriptural adherents to Islam that may hypothetically get really dangerous weapons that they're a: unlikely to get b: unlikely to have launch capabilities for and c: is just about any Muslim potentiate, in theory.'
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy#premptive_nuclear_war
here's me refuting this idiocy, which Moonshoe ascribed to, in his repeat views echoing Sam Harris's "case".
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the hypothetical point is that IF Islamic forces HAD a nuke, and COULD launch it, they are more likely than any other group, save a sum few (or no? they are alone in this prospect?) to launch it, out of the regard for their beliefs ect....
that is fallacious logic, however, to presume that that instance (improbable, at best) must be met with equal determination to nuke the fuck out of them first; which is absurd.
to add: a less only for retards approach would be to use special ops to take out this hypothetical nuke. not nuke the fucking nuke along with whomever else. idiotic. fucking idiotic. only FOR idiots. FOR IDIOTS ONLY. WARNING. INFECTIOUS MORONIC IDIOCY IS APPARENTLY CONTAGIOUS.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: lolwut, america didnt even attack the right country in retaliation. Saudi Arabia is where the attacks originated. They were well aware of this too, maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda? I mean if the war on terror was designed to stop it its a total failure. Terrorism is up 6,500%. With that number alone one would have to assume that promotion of terror might have been the intended effect.
I don't defend US military actions across the globe, I don't think you fight terrorism away from the homeland, my main concern is national security and protecting the homeland.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] 1
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This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.
It makes sense you wouldnt want the relatives of the people you've been ruthlessly bombing for the last 15 years in your country. I get it, you're terrified of being hit back.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
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Libs are stupid as hell.
Moonshoe is just making some excellent points and it's too difficult for many to accept, therefore meltdown mode.
Terrorist acts are not equal to lone criminal acts, it's a completely a different matter, many can't accept that reality.
no, you fucking baffling person you, his dumb shit has been refuted.
Sam Harris's "essay" has also been refuted in it's aspect of being a hypothetical, slippery slope, zero tolerance, last-ditch-effort, reactionary, stupid, and overblown hyperbole.
see: top of thread: read: respond: refute: or stfu and admit defeat entirely, or skulk away in silence. just please, don't repeat the same stupid post for umpteenth time. YOU weren't right. HE isn't right. he's been REFUTED. as has Sam Harris in his argument, in his essay.
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Terrorist acts are not equal to lone criminal acts, it's a completely a different matter, many can't accept that reality.
they aren't "lone criminal acts"? what are they? "future criminal acts of more prevalent danger"? "super criminal acts"? "something else other than criminal?" perhaps a new word maybe? do you have one to define what they're doing other than criminal?
or do you mean it's a "non-lone criminal act".
WTF DOES YOUR ASS MEAN?
"he's been REFUTED"
I disagree. He backs up his claims with facts.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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"he's been REFUTED"
I disagree. He backs up his claims with facts.
i said come with a refutation or stfu.
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akira_akuma said: here is Sam Harris's "case" (the moron)
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy
here is his idea of a nuclear strike against a hypothetical and hyperbolic threat of 'future scriptural adherents to Islam that may hypothetically get really dangerous weapons that they're a: unlikely to get b: unlikely to have launch capabilities for and c: is just about any Muslim potentiate, in theory.'
https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy#premptive_nuclear_war
here's me refuting this idiocy, which Moonshoe ascribed to, in his repeat views echoing Sam Harris's "case".
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the hypothetical point is that IF Islamic forces HAD a nuke, and COULD launch it, they are more likely than any other group, save a sum few (or no? they are alone in this prospect?) to launch it, out of the regard for their beliefs ect....
that is fallacious logic, however, to presume that that instance (improbable, at best) must be met with equal determination to nuke the fuck out of them first; which is absurd.
to add: a less only for retards approach would be to use special ops to take out this hypothetical nuke. not nuke the fucking nuke along with whomever else. idiotic. fucking idiotic. only FOR idiots. FOR IDIOTS ONLY. WARNING. INFECTIOUS MORONIC IDIOCY IS APPARENTLY CONTAGIOUS.
^ refuted as reactionary woo.
not only is Harris in this "case" committed to logical fallacy, but this "case" is also intensely stupid for one specifically, zero tolerance.
he expects Muslims to have zero tolerance for us...so he uses the same fallacious rationale to promote a "thought-experiment" about nuking them first if they ever lay HANDS on a nuke. period. for safety.
poor poor misunderstood Sam.
PS: the actual name of this specific logical fallacy is called "Two Wrongs Make A Right".
just because Sam is afraid that Muslims might launch a nuke, doesn't justify or logically follow, that the response called for is to launch a nuke back at them.
especially since it is a False Dilemma.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.
It makes sense you wouldnt want the relatives of the people you've been ruthlessly bombing for the last 15 years in your country. I get it, you're terrified of being hit back.
I didn't ruthlessly bomb anyone. I'm not personally responsible for the decisions and actions of people I never agreed with in the first place.
Do you also condone Cartel hits on innocent family members of rival Cartels? Are you some kind of sadist or something?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
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Then you'd be marked off as collateral damage, just like they do over there. Some innocents die, whatever. Do you see what im getting at?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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You call intentionally targeting innocent people... 'collateral damage'?
When terrorists start detonating bombs at the homes of war criminal politicians, with blasts that accidentally take out the mailman and part the neighbor's house... then we call it 'collateral damage'. Until then, it's not collateral damage, it's just intentional targeting of exclusively innocent soft targets.
How 'bout those ISIS fuckheads who cut the heads off of Christians in ritualistic, murderous fashion. Are those collateral damage too? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f8_1361297196 I'm assuming they meant to decapitate an aggressor but their blades accidentally slipped and cut an innocent person's head off instead of their intended target?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
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What about the strike on the hospital in afghanistan? Or the bombing of schools, and mosques. What about all the times they got it wrong, or just purposefully, bombed civilians? (which is at least 70% of the time) Thats just collateral damage? A bomb going off in a quiet all american suburb though. Oh what a terrible tragedy. What evil, vile monsters. lol.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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not to mention, those bombers = not military.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Do you think these Jihadists would be satisfied if we prosecuted and imprisoned all our U.S. Government Officials for the war crimes that you speak of? Would that quell their over-arching desire to destroy western civilization and bring all of us infidels to heel? I doubt it. This seems to be more than just retribution and seeking justice. These radicals legitimately want all of us to be destroyed regardless of what we've done or haven't done to them. Period.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
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And they'll keep on trying as long as people like yourself think they are the most dangerous threat we face instead of what they are, a bunch of attention whores who love the fact that a couple of losers can make a bomb in mommy's basement amd capture the attention of the world for days on end.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
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You don't seem to be taking that very seriously.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] 1
#23662650 - 09/20/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Do you think these Jihadists would be satisfied if we prosecuted and imprisoned all our U.S. Government Officials for the war crimes that you speak of? Would that quell their over-arching desire to destroy western civilization and bring all of us infidels to heel? I doubt it. This seems to be more than just retribution and seeking justice. These radicals legitimately want all of us to be destroyed regardless of what we've done or haven't done to them. Period.
I dont even think theyre a threat as it is. Aside from a single incident 15 years ago theres never really been any sort of attack. We might as well be in the middle of 1984 with the ministry of truth telling us we're all still in a state of war. Instead we're just bombing the shit out of a population that cant even mount any sort of air defense.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
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Josh Earnst is a fucking moron.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
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Kinko said: So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.
no, that's you that concluded it's not an issue, how about telling the people in Orlando that terrorism in the US isnt a big deal, maybe you should tell the families of the victims of terrorists on 9/11 that terrorism in the US is not an issue, you sound like obama, want to tell us how it's all just workplace violence since the 9/11 victims were at work when the shit went down?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
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koods said: And they'll keep on trying as long as people like yourself think they are the most dangerous threat we face instead of what they are, a bunch of attention whores who love the fact that a couple of losers can make a bomb in mommy's basement amd capture the attention of the world for days on end.
is that why shit happened in 1993?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
maybe you should take the same attitude about the big, black scary rifles as well, just ignore the gun owners, they're just attention whoring momma's boys, if you ignore them the shootings will stop, right... that is what you're saying about these terrorists you're defending isnt it?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
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ok he might have meant you, what I'm saying is its unfair of him to say that, and what I said is what he should have clarified, if he wasn't being unfair but I dunno
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] 2
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Bodhi of Ankou said: maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda?
This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.
It makes sense you wouldnt want the relatives of the people you've been ruthlessly bombing for the last 15 years in your country. I get it, you're terrified of being hit back.
I didn't ruthlessly bomb anyone. I'm not personally responsible for the decisions and actions of people I never agreed with in the first place.
Do you also condone Cartel hits on innocent family members of rival Cartels? Are you some kind of sadist or something?
Like it or not, youre as responsible for the US military as your Syrian counterpart is for Assad.
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no, that's you that concluded it's not an issue, how about telling the people in Orlando that terrorism in the US isnt a big deal, maybe you should tell the families of the victims of terrorists on 9/11 that terrorism in the US is not an issue, you sound like obama, want to tell us how it's all just workplace violence since the 9/11 victims were at work when the shit went down?
It is statistically a non issue.
I dont want to hear appeals of emotion from you when koods has already pointed out cops are a much bigger threat and all I ever see from you on that front is "they were stupid they deserved it. /thread"
Or maybe we can divorce brown people mass shootings from mass shootings in general, that way we dont have to address yet another problem bigger than jihadists.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda?
This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.
It makes sense you wouldnt want the relatives of the people you've been ruthlessly bombing for the last 15 years in your country. I get it, you're terrified of being hit back.
I didn't ruthlessly bomb anyone. I'm not personally responsible for the decisions and actions of people I never agreed with in the first place.
Do you also condone Cartel hits on innocent family members of rival Cartels? Are you some kind of sadist or something?
You're the one supporting the candidate who wants to kill innocent family members. You're the least innocent among us.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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no, that's you that concluded it's not an issue, how about telling the people in Orlando that terrorism in the US isnt a big deal, maybe you should tell the families of the victims of terrorists on 9/11 that terrorism in the US is not an issue, you sound like obama, want to tell us how it's all just workplace violence since the 9/11 victims were at work when the shit went down?
It is statistically a non issue.
everything is statistically a non issue such as blacks being shot by the cops, it happens far less than the number of people killed in auto accidents, it happens less than even whites being killed by the cops so in reality, nothing is an issue "statistically" until someone decides it's an issue and unfortunately for you, millions of people have decided it's an issue
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except that cops arent a threat, they're statistically a non issue because black people kill more people than cops and terrorists combined
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Or you could just pull your commie head out of your ass and acknowledge reality.
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Like the reality that focusing on the most pressing issues doesnt make you a communist? That reality?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
#23665010 - 09/21/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please, keep lecturing others on what reality is.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
#23665327 - 09/21/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Says the Bernie Bro who fell for the raving Marxist candidate and adores our current Marxist President.
obama is not a marxist lol, he's a shitbird war-hawk like the rest of em and that's not gonna change because your economy relies on conflict trump, hillary, doesn't matter you're fucked
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
#23665385 - 09/21/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obama is a died-in-the-wool Marxist since way back in the day. I'm sorry you don't realize this yet.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
#23665423 - 09/21/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd be happier with an actual marxist by what definition is he a marxist? Certainly no one with any credentials would support such a claim
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
#23665505 - 09/21/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The real question is... if Marxism is so good, why do these Marxist infiltrators feel the need to hide what they're really all about?
Also, what do you know about Frank Marshall Davis?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23665569 - 09/21/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I'd be happier with an actual marxist by what definition is he a marxist? Certainly no one with any credentials would support such a claim
Nor would anyone with even a cursory understanding of economics.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] 1
#23665572 - 09/21/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: The real question is... if Marxism is so good, why do these Marxist infiltrators feel the need to hide what they're really all about?
Also, what do you know about Frank Marshall Davis?
I know absolutely nothing about Frank Marshall Davis.....so about as much as you do about Obama or marxism.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23665579 - 09/21/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I'd be happier with an actual marxist by what definition is he a marxist? Certainly no one with any credentials would support such a claim
Nor would anyone with even a cursory understanding of economics.
Marxism is not just an economic practice. It's a political, social, and economic theory as well as a general state of mind.
Obama is a full on pinko.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
#23665585 - 09/21/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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you're not one of those are you, buying into propaganda? So he influenced Obama. That doesn't make obama even remotely a communist. From Obama's actions in power I see no sign of his alleged marxist ideals, and I imagine they have been worn away by cynicism and years in political office. Obama, like Bush and any president you're likely to get, stands for the worst evils of america for sure, but I don't see how he's a marxist
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
#23665591 - 09/21/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You got some of that right.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
#23665594 - 09/21/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Says the Bernie Bro who fell for the raving Marxist candidate and adores our current Marxist President.
obama is not a marxist lol, he's a shitbird war-hawk like the rest of em and that's not gonna change because your economy relies on conflict trump, hillary, doesn't matter you're fucked
"obama is not a Marxist"
In his true heart he is, but as a House Negro he has been forced to govern otherwise.
"your economy relies on conflict"
Total nonsense, it relies on security.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23665611 - 09/21/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Ezuma said:
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PeyoteZen said: Says the Bernie Bro who fell for the raving Marxist candidate and adores our current Marxist President.
obama is not a marxist lol, he's a shitbird war-hawk like the rest of em and that's not gonna change because your economy relies on conflict trump, hillary, doesn't matter you're fucked
"obama is not a Marxist"
In his true heart he is, but as a House Negro he has been forced to govern otherwise.
"your economy relies on conflict"
Total nonsense, it relies on security.
it relies on the arms industry and warfare, it's your primary industry, and at this time the amount of money spent by the us in this area is obscene and completely out of proportion with actual threats around the globe.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
#23665630 - 09/21/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just wait until Trump starts charging countries like Canada for US military security. I can see Canadian dollars falling all over the US, I hope you don't mind higher taxes for a safe Canada.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23665650 - 09/21/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bwahahaha, do you not understand the concept of neutrality. We already told you guys to fuck off when you asked for our assistance in syria.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
#23665655 - 09/21/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd almost be ok with a global collapse just to watch you smug idiots learn your lesson, almost
your understanding of the world stage and politics is clearly not what you pretend it is or you would not hold such idiotic beliefs but enjoy your candyland while it lasts chump
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
#23665665 - 09/21/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: I'd almost be ok with a global collapse just to watch you smug idiots learn your lesson, almost
your understanding of the world stage and politics is clearly not what you pretend it is or you would not hold such idiotic beliefs but enjoy your candyland while it lasts chump
Economic trouble is coming to all nations in the coming months and years, it's going to make 2008 seem like a tea party. Do you understand why?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23665670 - 09/21/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tell us.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23665677 - 09/21/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Tell us.
besides the impending doom of environmental disaster?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23665692 - 09/21/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23665701 - 09/21/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Tell us.
Too much debt, no economic growth, 0% interest rates for almost a decade and a central banks artificially propping up stocks, bonds, real estate and insolvent financial institutions. It's fun while it lasts, but the hangover is going to be brutal.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23665713 - 09/21/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a recipe for world war. Unpayable debts get paid in blood. It's always been this way. Either that or Jubilee, but either way someone's got to pay the piper and the elites are sure as hell going to do everything in their power to make sure it's not them. Poor us.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 2
#23665726 - 09/21/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Tell us.
Too much debt, no economic growth, 0% interest rates for almost a decade and a central banks artificially propping up stocks, bonds, real estate and insolvent financial institutions. It's fun while it lasts, but the hangover is going to be brutal.
Not if we never stop drinking
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23665743 - 09/21/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: Just wait until Trump starts charging countries like Canada for US military security. I can see Canadian dollars falling all over the US, I hope you don't mind higher taxes for a safe Canada. 
America's oil sure looks nice cuttin' off.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
#23665773 - 09/21/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: It's a recipe for world war. Unpayable debts get paid in blood. It's always been this way. Either that or Jubilee, but either way someone's got to pay the piper and the elites are sure as hell going to do everything in their power to make sure it's not them. Poor us.
"make sure it's not them"
That's for sure, but even many of them are going to pay a very heavy price in my opinion.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
#23665795 - 09/21/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They're gonna get Icarus'd out of their master plan and have to face God's judgement eventually.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
#23665799 - 09/21/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Tell us.
Too much debt, no economic growth, 0% interest rates for almost a decade and a central banks artificially propping up stocks, bonds, real estate and insolvent financial institutions. It's fun while it lasts, but the hangover is going to be brutal.
Yet your biggest concern is black crime and immigrants. White collar crime is what's bleeding you dry.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23665811 - 09/21/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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qman said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Tell us.
Too much debt, no economic growth, 0% interest rates for almost a decade and a central banks artificially propping up stocks, bonds, real estate and insolvent financial institutions. It's fun while it lasts, but the hangover is going to be brutal.
Yet your biggest concern is black crime and immigrants. White collar crime is what's bleeding you fools dry.
It's all part of the same design. We've still got to hurdle the barrels on our way to the boss.

Unless you got a better idea?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23665824 - 09/21/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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qman said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Tell us.
Too much debt, no economic growth, 0% interest rates for almost a decade and a central banks artificially propping up stocks, bonds, real estate and insolvent financial institutions. It's fun while it lasts, but the hangover is going to be brutal.
Yet your biggest concern is black crime and immigrants. White collar crime is what's bleeding you fools dry.
What do you think happens when the "freebies" get sliced in half or more?
What do you think happens when there's even more unemployed low skilled people?
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] 1
#23665849 - 09/21/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That amount is miniscule in comparison to the 5 trillion dollar deficit brought about by involvement in the middle east. If your government did the exact reverse of what you suggest and diverted money away from this nonsense and into socialist policies literally everything would improve.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23665870 - 09/21/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: That amount is miniscule in comparison to the 5 trillion dollar deficit brought about by involvement in the middle east. If your government did the exact reverse of what you suggest and diverted money away from this nonsense and into socialist policies literally everything would improve.
although might be too late at this point, I agree the elites probably know we're fucked as a species anyway at this point and they're just having the last laugh as the planet slowly cleanses itself of the human virus
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23665873 - 09/21/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh I see. You're one of those anti-humanists. That's no way to live, man.
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
#23665932 - 09/21/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Oh I see. You're one of those anti-humanists. That's no way to live, man.
not at all I just think that's the way its going I'm all for the human cause I don't really care about sub-human life much, but from a planetary perspective we haven't been a good gamble thus far, maybe the pay off's down the road here's hoping I'd love to be proven wrong actually
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