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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23662051 - 09/20/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I am afraid you guys are missing the point.

We know beyond a doubt there are Islamic extremists willing to take a bomb, strap it on, and walk into a crowded place, and detonate .

We also know there are people who provide those people with those bombs.

When one of the latter people provides one of the former people with a nuclear or dirty bomb rather than a conventional bomb, we have a major problem.

When ISIS, or a group like ISIS, gets a nuke or a dirty bomb ; we have a problem.

There is simply no way to escape this logic .

We know people exist who as a result of radical Islamic beliefs ; detonate themselves .

The low body count so far is because of the limited technology used so far , nothing else .


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23662061 - 09/20/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're at war with them, retaliation on their side is completely reasonable. As far as Im concerned you guys deserve to have a bomb go off in a suburb somewhere and wipe out a bunch of a innocent people. You sick fucks already killed 2.5 million of them.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23662064 - 09/20/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the problem with that thinking is that those who posses nukes tend to represent strong economic interests, which are actually primary. There is no economic gain to be had from mutual annihilation, and contrary to what some alarmists might say I don't think any world leaders are that daft, even the north koreans


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23662073 - 09/20/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

no. no one is missing the point. i mean, i got the point.

the hypothetical point is that IF Islamic forces HAD a nuke, and COULD launch it, they are more likely than any other group, save a sum few (or no? they are alone in this prospect?) to launch it, out of the regard for their beliefs ect....

that is fallacious logic, however, to presume that that instance (improbable, at best) must be met with equal determination to nuke the fuck out of them first; which is absurd. Sam Harris is fucking absurd. his followers make me want to shoot myself in the head for having to explain this shit over and over and over....:facepalm:


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23662111 - 09/20/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's not what Sam says, and it's not what I said .

What I said I simply that the small number of deaths caused by religiously motivated suicide bombing so far isn't reason for complacency because that number will become exponentially higher with the inevitable introduction of more powerful weapons used by the same people for the same ends they currently are using pipe bombs and suicide vests .

You don't seem to understand Sam Harris' actual position, and to be attributing to him a position he not only doesn't hold but has gone to great lengths to refute .

A common mistake , I encourage you to read and listen to more from him to get a firmer grasp on what he actually says and thinks about these issues .


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662116 - 09/20/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You're at war with them, retaliation on their side is completely reasonable. As far as Im concerned you guys deserve to have a bomb go off in a suburb somewhere and wipe out a bunch of a innocent people. You sick fucks already killed 2.5 million of them.





Who are you taking about when you say "you're" "you guys"  "you sick fucks"?

Surely you aren't addressing these comments to me ?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23662130 - 09/20/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I believe he means the military industrial complex that is the USA, of course an individual has very little influence over all of that so I'm unsure of the value of attacking US citizens as directly responsible, especially since as Canadians we would also be responsible for the evils of america and its allies abroad


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23662146 - 09/20/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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A common mistake , I encourage you to read and listen to more from him to get a firmer grasp on what he actually says and thinks about these issues .



no, it's hilarious that you just act like every other :flowstone: inculcated :butthead: that buys his idiot proposition.

it's well understood. there is no future weapons that they have. they have to develop those "future weapons" genius. and i've heard Sam Harris, read his dumb shit, so shove your arrogance round that corner of your head. seriously, idiot fucking bullshit all around. zero tolerance idiocy. IFS. what IFS. all hypothetical, and all fallacious reasoning. goddamn it, i'd recommend you read what i said, again and again until it sinks in; no future weapons, no nukes, if nukes, no need to attack them on the basis of the proposition that "their beliefs will make them more dangerous with better weapons" because A: they don't have that capability, and won't for any foreseeable future, and B: because the threat can be attacked with PRECISION, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE ON THE BASIS OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL BELIEFS IE THERE IS NOT THREAT WITH ALL OR EVEN A MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS BASED ON THE POSSIBILITY THEY MIGHT USE "FUTURE, MORE POWERFUL WEAPONS", BECAUSE IT'S A MINORITY OF MUSLIMS THAT WOULD HAVE SAID HYPOTHETICAL WEAPON AND THAT THREAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF WITHOUT RESORTING TO ATTACKING THE WHOLE OF THEIR CULTURE.


read some more YOURSELF, you ... can i just fucking insult something? i really want to call someone an idiot.

i seriously wish harm to Sam Harris. that idiot has fucking made so many other fucking idiots spout his idiot nonsense, he may have set critical thinking back 70 years. worse yet, these aspies fucking repeat ad nauseum the same tired, and blundering retort of "misunderstanding his point!" and goddamn it...*shoots self*

and who the fuck is complacent? ANOTHER FUCKING RETARDED IDIOT ASSUMPTION FROM HARRIS! YAY!!! YAYY!!! YAYY!!!! *shoots self*


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
    #23662156 - 09/20/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Um... Ok. He should have said that then, instead of saying "you, you sick fucks " as a reply to me.



And yeah, you can't blow up a mom and her little girl in a cafe and justify it as some kind of retaliation against a generic , undefined "you sick fucks "

If a guy you never met  who lives in your country rapes my sister, I am not going to murder you and your wife and kids as if that is some kind of justice or retaliation.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23662176 - 09/20/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You are saying things that have no relation to anything I said or believe .

You are attributing positions to me that I never expressed or held .

You are getting angry at me for things I never said and don't believe.

You are identifying me with groups I am not a part of .

You are a screaming and shouting at someone you are not even talking to.

You are making all kinds of completely baseless assumptions, and attempting to compensate for a total lack of understanding of what I am actually saying with anger and volume .

You are so far off base on literally every level, that it's meaningless for me to engage with you until you Attain some common ground with anything I had actually said or believe.

As a tiny sample of what you are off base on, I am myself a Muslim.

I never once advocated any form of violence or attack on anyone , Muslim or otherwise .

I never said I take the exact same position as Sam Harris on anything .

I never said I support any kind of attack on Muslim people whatsoever .

You are literally screaming and melting down about things I never said and don't think, and you are assuming I am someone totally different than who I actually am.

I would encourage you to try harder in future to respond to what people actually say, and ask questions to clarify the other persons actual views, before you start screaming in all caps and melt down about things that no one ever said .


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23662184 - 09/20/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you are another *person* who rambles about Sam Harris, the same dumb shit we've all heard before, want me to post a fucking youtube video, so we can review the same tired retarded idea? nukes! what ifs! their beliefs are dangerous, intrinsically; they are dangerous with more dangerous weapons, like nukes; if they ever had them we'd have to attack with even greater force than we're comfortable with, because they won't hesitate to attack us. a FIRST STRIKE OPTION IS PREFERABLE, if they have nukes, we nuke them first!


TELL ME THAT ISN'T HIS POSITION AGAIN

you're AGREEING with HIS PROPOSITION. your STANCE is completely CONFUSED IDIOCY.

and you're being yelled at (hypothetically) because literally this dumb proposition from that MORON Harris has been driven into the dirt already, ten billion times, and has been wrong every step of the way, and you freaking *people* can't be told enough how asinine a proposition it is that he holds, which you *people* consistently tout as some kind of breath of genius thinking, which is fallacious at the VERY BEST of it's conclusions. and then everytime someone refutes it for the fallacious, zero tolerance slippery slope bullshit that it is, you *people* just repeat the words "you misunderstood his point!"


NO, NOT REALLY. but if you can explain HOW you think i did, i'd gladly hear you out. you SIMPLY WILL NOT, however.

thankfully, because if you did, we end up going in circles, because you already think i misunderstood his point, even though i've illustrated it, and refuted it as idiocy.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23662192 - 09/20/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A whole lotta ridiculous lib logic in this thread. It's like saying you needn't board your windows during the beginning stages of a hurricane because only a couple patio chairs and some wind chimes have been knocked over. And rather you should wait until your windows actually start getting busted out first before you start boarding them up mid-hurricane.

Mother fuckers be shouting "Death to America" and have clearly stated ambitions to kill Americans on American soil. Some of it is motivated by religious intolerance toward non-muslims and some of it is righteous anger toward American military interventionist policies. Only the latter is understandable. But they are barking up the wrong tree if they think average Americans are chiefly responsible and therefore deserving of the retribution. That Somali shithead in Minnesota the other day... he went around asking people if they were Muslim or not, and then proceeded to stab away with a knife. What in the ever-loving fuck is that shit? That's a far cry from justified righteous retribution against the few key foreign policy officials in government who are responsible for meddling and toppling Islamic nations. That's why terrorism (ie: hitting soft targets consisting of random John Q. Publics) is fucking pathetic and unrighteous as all hell. If want to combat American military forces, give them a reason to pack it up and go home. But at the end of the day, it transcends any rational urge for retribution. Radicalized Islamic Terrorists just want to exterminate westerners for ideological reasons, not for reasons of defense and self-preservation.

But now I'm just stating the obvious.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
    #23662201 - 09/20/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

metaphors. all you shysters have is metaphors. (no, not Moonshoe, he's just apparently gullible. Sam Harris is misunderstood, save the 8 Gorillion! *shoots self for using overused meme out of context and making time warps a hypothetical*

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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23662212 - 09/20/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
You're at war with them, retaliation on their side is completely reasonable. As far as Im concerned you guys deserve to have a bomb go off in a suburb somewhere and wipe out a bunch of a innocent people. You sick fucks already killed 2.5 million of them.





Who are you taking about when you say "you're" "you guys"  "you sick fucks"?

Surely you aren't addressing these comments to me ?



You as in the general american population. Objectively your populations deserve to be attacked. Ours do too. If it happened here I wouldnt even object. Not that its right, or I even want it to happen, but its a natural result of warfare and you shouldnt be surprised by its consequences.

Its ridiculous that you're actually scared of them fighting back.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662222 - 09/20/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mother fuckers be shouting "Death to America" and have clearly stated ambitions to kill Americans on American soil. Some of it is motivated by religious intolerance toward non-muslims and some of it is righteous anger toward American military interventionist policies. Only the latter is understandable. But they are barking up the wrong tree if they think average Americans are chiefly responsible and therefore deserving of the retribution. That Somali shithead in Minnesota the other day... he went around asking people if they were Muslim or not, and then proceeded to stab away with a knife. What in the ever-loving fuck is that shit? That's a far cry from justified righteous retribution against the few key foreign policy officials in government who are responsible for meddling and toppling Islamic nations. That's why terrorism (ie: hitting soft targets consisting of random John Q. Publics) is fucking pathetic and unrighteous as all hell. If want to combat American military forces, give them a reason to pack it up and go home. But at the end of the day, it transcends any rational urge for retribution. Radicalized Islamic Terrorists just want to exterminate westerners for ideological reasons, not for reasons of defense and self-preservation.

But now I'm just stating the obvious.




yes, you are. no one is saying the individuals deserved attack, personally. but that your COUNTRY, dot dot dot... (not that i'm saying that) also, what Bodhi said, was that it WAS UNDERSTANDABLE

please, do try and use that interpreter of yours in your head.

and i hope making words bigger, helps.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662228 - 09/20/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Like just in sheer numbers this is almost halfway towards the total number of jews killed in the holocaust. Its just mind boggling anyone would think they wouldnt want to strike back.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662240 - 09/20/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"You as in the general American population"

So in other words , NOT me then.

I am not an American.


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    #23662253 - 09/20/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're following the narrative that theres millions of terrorists out there just waiting for the orders to strike and kill anyone, so yes, you too.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662256 - 09/20/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

who even cares about understanding the most common contentions which prove their assertions, and their beliefs, wrong?

i understand a couple things through my time on this planet, that is a consistent rationale for people doing asshole things here. 1: people are authoritarian because people are stupid. i'm constantly given rationale as to why this is useful, although, it has to be done by force, which i don't agree with at all; though i understand it. silence the idiots is "something" it could accomplish. useful if you can prove some adherents of certain ideologies and certain platitudes to be wrong though insistent on idiotically touting their wrongness as righteous goodness (ie like extreme SJW authoritarians) only, the thing is it clashes with any sensible response: again, though, i get how people get to that point, i think. a person can only take so much stupid before their brain boils into goo. 2: people also kill people for the same reasons, either that, or they simply snap over ideological bullshit, or perhaps, due to stressors in their life, due to lifestyle, economic situation, ect ect.

i get it. not saying i endorse it, just that i get it.

politics is funny. it makes me sick and also makes me laugh and not give a fuck. so much idiots that repeat ad nauseum, it makes your head spin. in fact, it makes no sense. it makes no fucking sense how people can be this blitheringly stupid as to never let go of a failed fucking premise or faulty fucking conclusion to stupid idiot pseudointellectual moron reactionaries whom want spotlights and, of all things on this disgraceful shit planet, views and likes! or booksales!

*shoots self*

nuclear first option if they get hypothetical future weapons!!!!




STFU ALREADY!!!!!!


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23662278 - 09/20/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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metaphors. all you shysters have is metaphors. (no, not Moonshoe, he's just apparently gullible. Sam Harris is misunderstood, save the 8 Gorillion! *shoots self for using overused meme out of context and making time warps a hypothetical*

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Akira, I am afraid I simply can't understand you at all.

I have no idea what you are trying to say or who you think you are saying it to, and I have no idea what you think I am saying .


You are a man screaming alone in a dark room .


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