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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661827 - 09/20/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Powerful weapons" :lol:

Have you seen their typical armaments? They dont even have capable anti-air systems. The best they got are 30mm cannons strapped to toyotas.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Ezuma]
    #23661837 - 09/20/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You think they want to destroy them? :lolsy:

ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.




Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.




you cant deport US citizens.




I'm sure German Jews took great comfort in their citizenship as they were boarding the trains.




so now you openly acquaint your ideology with fascists? Do you have a problem with that or are you actually as bad a person as I always thought?




I'm trying to illustrate how governments in the past have suspended civil rights and citizenship, I didn't say I support those actions.

"as bad a person as I have always thought"

I'm trying to show that these "rights" that people perceive as written in stone isn't always the case. Why are you prejudging my viewpoints on that subject?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] * 1
    #23661840 - 09/20/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?




Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.

Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.




That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.

I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.




Crime comes from poverty. Not gun laws or culture.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
    #23661847 - 09/20/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Looks like law enforcement dropped the ball on the NYC bomber. His own father reported him to the FBI, and they cleared him

Two years before the bombings that Ahmad Khan Rahami is suspected of carrying out in New York and New Jersey, his father told the police that he suspected his son might be involved in terrorism, prompting a review by federal agents, according to two law enforcement officials.




Do you know what would solve the FBI having to be perfect?  Don't have people like Rahami living in the US!!!


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23661850 - 09/20/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"Powerful weapons" :lol:

Have you seen their typical armaments? They dont even have capable anti-air systems. The best they got are 30mm cannons strapped to toyotas.




Hmm, we're talking about acts of terrorism in the US, not groups in the Middle East.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23661853 - 09/20/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Would do you think is going to happen to innocent Muslims in Germany if they blowup a soccer stadium filled with 80,000 Germans?  Ten's and hundreds of thousands will be slaughter



No. Not everyone thinks with their reptilian brain like you. Most civilized people don't take revenge on innocent people.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] * 1
    #23661855 - 09/20/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, you know what the difference between 9/11 and a cow is? You cant milk a cow for fifteen fucking years.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23661858 - 09/20/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?




Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.

Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.




That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.

I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.




Crime comes from poverty. Not gun laws or culture.




Where does violent crime come from most often in the US? :popcorn:


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23661862 - 09/20/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

by the by, it seems that the conservative mantra to presume political bodies are consistently subject to the whims of nature regardless of forethought, so wtf, why bother trying to control anything, except the political body. no economic system is going to be controlled, just stick to gold.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
    #23661865 - 09/20/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Would do you think is going to happen to innocent Muslims in Germany if they blowup a soccer stadium filled with 80,000 Germans?  Ten's and hundreds of thousands will be slaughter



No. Not everyone thinks with their reptilian brain like you. Most civilized people don't take revenge on innocent people.




When things are civil I agree, but during moments of chaos all bets are off. I mean innocent people have never been slaughtered in human history. :facepalm:


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] * 1
    #23661870 - 09/20/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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Kinko said:
I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?




Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.

Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.




That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.

I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.




Crime comes from poverty. Not gun laws or culture.




Where does violent crime come from most often in the US? :popcorn:



poor people. are you unable to make a point?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] * 1
    #23661874 - 09/20/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're just itching for any excuse you can get to kill muslims because  a)they're brown, and b) theyre not white.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23661875 - 09/20/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey, you know what the difference between 9/11 and a cow is? You cant milk a cow for fifteen fucking years.




Let me guess, innocent US citizens need to be killed in a terrorist act so people like you can feel better about things? 

How come I was the only person to call you out on your sick wishes?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661911 - 09/20/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty mxn every recent terrorist was already known by authorities and already flagged and allowed to commit the act anyways .

The conspiracy angle is they allow these events to occur for political hay- making .

Regardless it shows little logic behind further draconian security measures as what we have Already would have been sufficient if all the warning signs were not ignored.

Even 9/11 came with ample warnings.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661918 - 09/20/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Because relative to the amount of muslims america has killed 3 or 4 thousand is nothing. I think you're the only one who doesnt realize that the narrative that Islam is this grand omniscient evil is totally fucking backwards. If this was the 70's and the media gave the same sort of uncontrolled coverage they did back then public perception of this whole debacle would be markedly different then it is today. This has surpassed veitnam in terms of severity, and they got most of you believing Americas not even really at war anymore.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661921 - 09/20/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

because 1: nuance 2: ability to recognize sarcasm ie facetiousness and 3: the cognizance to see that you are essentially not saying thing new or original, just tired talking points that almost have no bearing on reality.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #23661940 - 09/20/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sam Harris Makes a compelling case that the deeply held theological beliefs of Muslims , when they eventually aquire access to nuclear weapons, really will pose an existential threat .

If they really believe what they profess to believe (and the prevalence of suicide bombing proves there truly are many true believers among them) then we have a real problem.

What happens when you take a suicide bomber willing to kill and die for his understanding of Jihad, but his vest is attached to a tactical nuke instead of a pipe bomb?

The whole idea of mutually assured destruction fails in the face of suicide bombers with an expectation of paradise through martyrdom .


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23661951 - 09/20/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sam Harris Makes a compelling case that the deeply held theological beliefs of Muslims , when they eventually aquire access to nuclear weapons, really will pose an existential threat .

If they really believe what they profess to believe (and the prevalence of suicide bombing proves there truly are many true believers among them) then we have a real problem.

What happens when you take a suicide bomber willing to kill and die for his understanding of Jihad, but his vest is attached to a tactical nuke instead of a pipe bomb?

The whole idea of mutually assured destruction fails in the face of suicide bombers with an expectation of paradise through martyrdom .




I like Sam but hes wrong on this one.

North Korea has nukes, fundamentalist as all hell, yet wont nuke anyone. Why? Because they know better. Pakistan knows better. Russia knows better. Iran knows better.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23661952 - 09/20/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That doesnt make any sense considering Pakistan already wields these weapons and hasnt made any moves yet. If you were to take the worst parts of that book and assume they all followed the ideology sure, you got a solid case, but the majority of muslims arnt even half assed adherents and most of them are chill and just want the same things out of life we all do. Its the media thats feeding you this image of them. Whens the last time you even talked to any of them?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23661956 - 09/20/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sam Harris Makes a compelling case that the deeply held theological beliefs of Muslims , when they eventually aquire access to nuclear weapons, really will pose an existential threat .




if they haven't acquired it yet, they are not a threat. if you are talking about a Saudi threat, there are sanctions that can prevent them from formalising their nuclear abilities; if you're talking ISIS or the like, the concept is then laughable. they couldn't possibly nuke shit, and if they ever got their hands on one, out of the blue, it'd be unable to be launched, it'd have to be landed at a target...they don't even have the ability to make aircraft.......special ops can go in and take out the target if the slim chance happenstance occurs.

Sam Harris likes to frequently assert this zero tolerance ideology but oh God, people like to cite it even more.


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