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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661390 - 09/20/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Stop being so emotional. We're only taking like 3 or 4 thousand dead Americans in return for 2.5 million. Its not much.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661391 - 09/20/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.




There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam?  How about not letting those people to enter the US?  How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?



Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?




No it shouldn't be the same because they are two separate issues. Do I think we need tougher gun regulations in the US?  Not really.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661393 - 09/20/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well I agree with most of what you wrote qman not letting Muslims come  from parts where radical Islam is practiced is outrageous, first of all they can come now since there is no restriction and yet the chances of being killed by one is next to zero , and they hate us!!! So very much... I would still be more afraid of dying in a car crash :frown:  is my fear justified?? Because urs is not.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661406 - 09/20/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.




There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam?  How about not letting those people to enter the US?  How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?



Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?




No it shouldn't be the same because they are two separate issues. Do I think we need tougher gun regulations in the US?  Not really.



Ironic since white Americans go on shooting sprees every now and again with easily obtained firearms ... You are more likely to die from ur fellow american then a terrorist.... But you want to ban Muslims from coming to the USA from certain areas.... How could you not see the irony ?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661411 - 09/20/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661441 - 09/20/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661452 - 09/20/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Regulate as in.... Make sure you are stable before buying a weapon that is meant for complete human destruction...  Banning guns is retarded in the end I'm just looking out for you.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661458 - 09/20/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?




It doesn't work cause you can just drive a couple hours and buy them in the next state over, smartass.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman] * 1
    #23661466 - 09/20/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?




Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.

Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23661469 - 09/20/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?




It doesn't work cause you can just drive a couple hours and buy them in the next state over, smartass.




Or in Chicago's case, the next county over.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661547 - 09/20/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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lol, wow. nice, uh, retort.

so you wanna send Muslims on planes and boats without due process and legal rationale for that process? are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for one class of citizen?

nah, i know you don't mean that.




Why do you constantly put words into my mouth?  Did I say I want to see the US do that?  No, I'm pointing out governments like the US have suspended the civil rights of US citizens under certain circumstances and that could happen again.

"are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for once class of citizen?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans




So we're going to start curtailing citizens rights because of a vanishingly insignificant threat of terrorism?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661555 - 09/20/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam?  How about not letting those people to enter the US?  How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?



Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?




No it shouldn't be the same because they are two separate issues. Do I think we need tougher gun regulations in the US?  Not really.



Ironic since white Americans go on shooting sprees every now and again with easily obtained firearms ... You are more likely to die from ur fellow american then a terrorist.... But you want to ban Muslims from coming to the USA from certain areas.... How could you not see the irony ?



You're hundreds of times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
    #23661564 - 09/20/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I, for one, welome our new xeniphobic reactionary overlords.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
    #23661580 - 09/20/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's funny how these so called patriotic Americans are the first to cave to fear and start surrendering the rights of other people just so they have a sense of security. But, they are not willing to make any adjustment to their own perceived rights. They talk tough until you suggest that maybe people buying guns that can be used in terrorist attacks should have a thorough background check. OH NO THATS GOING FAR. Imagine if someone suggested we ban pressure cookers... The mushroom growers would be outraged.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23661588 - 09/20/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I, for one, welome our new xeniphobic reactionary overlords.




They are so predictable. There have been people like them in every generation. Same arguments. Different groups. They think this time is different. It never is. They're just small minded, fearful children.

They don't have any perspective either. The level of terrorist activity in this county is presently much lower than in the past. There were THOUSANDS of bombings in the US during the 60s, 70s and 80s.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods] * 3
    #23661590 - 09/20/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"DONT TREAD ON M- oh a pipe bomb exploded 5 states away from me? Heres my 1st, 4th, and 5th amendments, I wasnt usin em."


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661748 - 09/20/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You think they want to destroy them? :lolsy:

ISIS exists because the states funded and supplied them. Theyre a political weapon designed to wreak havoc in the middle east and destroy these countries.




Allowing migrants from those parts of the world into the US is coming to an end, in fact the US is going to end up deporting them out of the country even if they are US citizens.




you cant deport US citizens.




I'm sure German Jews took great comfort in their citizenship as they were boarding the trains.




so now you openly acquaint your ideology with fascists? Do you have a problem with that or are you actually as bad a person as I always thought?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23661806 - 09/20/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I say regulate the things that do the most damage , you want to regulate people out of fear... I can see so can everyone else.




Don't regulate my ability to defend myself from dangerous criminals. 

Chicago has tough gun laws, how's that been working out?




Crime correlates with poverty, not prevalence of guns.

Gun laws are a symptomatic response, not a contributing factor, especially in the case of gang violence. The right wing tries to paint this picture that if Detroit and Chicago and Baltimore had open carry laws the violence would slow or even stop. Criminals are shooting other criminals. Gangs against gangs. The upstanding moral citizen with a concealed carry isnt even part of the equation 99% of the time.




That's right, violent criminal thugs don't obey gun laws.

I think people try to point out that Detroit, Chicago and Baltimore are littered with cultures of violence and gun laws don't make any difference.


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    #23661807 - 09/20/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
    #23661822 - 09/20/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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lol, wow. nice, uh, retort.

so you wanna send Muslims on planes and boats without due process and legal rationale for that process? are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for one class of citizen?

nah, i know you don't mean that.




Why do you constantly put words into my mouth?  Did I say I want to see the US do that?  No, I'm pointing out governments like the US have suspended the civil rights of US citizens under certain circumstances and that could happen again.

"are you gonna make a law excepting freedom for once class of citizen?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans




So we're going to start curtailing citizens rights because of a vanishingly insignificant threat of terrorism?




Like someone else pointed out, the risks are higher than ever before with large cities and powerful weapons.

"start curtailing citizens rights"

It's going to happen, civil rights are useless if the government can't ensure national security.

Would do you think is going to happen to innocent Muslims in Germany if they blowup a soccer stadium filled with 80,000 Germans?  Ten's and hundreds of thousands will be slaughtered in the streets.


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