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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23661266 - 09/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you said your a shill for hillary

we know.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23661267 - 09/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You are more likely to die from 100's of different ways than of terrorism , yet you claim is a problem.      If I didn't know any better I would call your view on terrorism as brainwashing.    Hell smoking cigs in the USA kills more people than terrorist ever had... And that's in 1 year pal....


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23661270 - 09/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661271 - 09/20/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Kinko said:
You are more likely to die from 100's of different ways than of terrorism , yet you claim is a problem.      If I didn't know any better I would call your view on terrorism as brainwashing.    Hell smoking cigs in the USA kills more people than terrorist ever had... And that's in 1 year pal....




so you're saying I should embrace terrorism because it kills fewer people than smoking


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661274 - 09/20/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661275 - 09/20/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Some Muslims are terrorists. Some Muslims (A lot) are the victims of terrorists.

So now what? A ban on Sunni Islam? Wahabism? Surely people are not painting Sufi and Shia Islam with the same brush?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23661280 - 09/20/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Kinko said:
You are more likely to die from 100's of different ways than of terrorism , yet you claim is a problem.      If I didn't know any better I would call your view on terrorism as brainwashing.    Hell smoking cigs in the USA kills more people than terrorist ever had... And that's in 1 year pal....




so you're saying I should embrace terrorism because it kills fewer people than smoking



No I'm saying don't you dare make changes in policy or spent my hard earned money on taxes to combat this non existent issue.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23661285 - 09/20/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you said your a shill for hillary

we know.



and you said

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hillary wanted to build a wall, and why she campaigned heavily for
NAFTA and now denounces it as a bad idea...




so clearly you're shilling for Hilalry too. :rolleyes:



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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23661314 - 09/20/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
OP , saying they are in a narrative fight and a narrative battle in no way implies that they don't think real terrorist attacks are taking place or that there isn't a real fight going on with ISIS.

It just means that in addition to other forms of struggle there is also a narrative war going on.

The same thing was said about the fight with the nazis . That war includes a huge propaganda war, a narrative war.

All major wars and conflicts include a narrative component.

It doesn't mean that's ALL it is.

Propaganda/narrative battle is a key component of all conflicts since ancient times .

It's a hugely important part of war - who frames the story, who defines the conflict, who controls the meaning , who tells the story - who wins the narrative war.

That doesn't mean he is denying that actual attacks are taking place. It just means in this instance he is talking about the propaganda battle that is one major facet of the larger struggle.



That makes too much sense for qman to understand....He doesn't deal with reality and logic very well.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23661321 - 09/20/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.

The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.

So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.

It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.

Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.

A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .

How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?

The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.

There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.

A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.

A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .

A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.

A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.

A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.

The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .

The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.

It's still a massive distraction from our real existential threat though- global environmental Collapse.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23661338 - 09/20/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
The narrative they are fighting is the ISIS narrative that it is a war between Islam as a whole and the west / everybody else as a whole; while the USA wants to oppose that narrative in favour of one where it's a war between radical extremists and all good and civilized people Including the majority of Muslims .

The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims
Condemn terror attacks and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam.





"The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims Condemn terror attacks"

But that's a false narrative, a surprising amount of Westernized Muslims do NOT condemn these terrorist acts. Remember when the Muslim killed all of those gays in that Florida bar?  His father said the gays deserved it but god should do the punishment, not man. The media didn't want to cover this fact. 

"and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam"

Another false narrative, the vast majority of terrorist acts in the US and EU are inherent to radical Islam.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23661351 - 09/20/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

well, Our Ladder Prince will be munificent with his bounty of GMO vegetables, if that happens, won't he Moonshoe? :blush:


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661356 - 09/20/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Kinko said:
So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.




There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam?  How about not letting those people to enter the US?  How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23661361 - 09/20/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Thayendanegea said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
OP , saying they are in a narrative fight and a narrative battle in no way implies that they don't think real terrorist attacks are taking place or that there isn't a real fight going on with ISIS.

It just means that in addition to other forms of struggle there is also a narrative war going on.

The same thing was said about the fight with the nazis . That war includes a huge propaganda war, a narrative war.

All major wars and conflicts include a narrative component.

It doesn't mean that's ALL it is.

Propaganda/narrative battle is a key component of all conflicts since ancient times .

It's a hugely important part of war - who frames the story, who defines the conflict, who controls the meaning , who tells the story - who wins the narrative war.

That doesn't mean he is denying that actual attacks are taking place. It just means in this instance he is talking about the propaganda battle that is one major facet of the larger struggle.



That makes too much sense for qman to understand....He doesn't deal with reality and logic very well.




It's a narrative that's going to put Trump into the White House. :shrug:


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661367 - 09/20/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
The narrative they are fighting is the ISIS narrative that it is a war between Islam as a whole and the west / everybody else as a whole; while the USA wants to oppose that narrative in favour of one where it's a war between radical extremists and all good and civilized people Including the majority of Muslims .

The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims
Condemn terror attacks and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam.





"The narrative the White House wants to defend is one where the vast majority of Muslims Condemn terror attacks"

But that's a false narrative



see how easy it is?

Quote:

"and where violent extremism is not something inherent to Islam"

Another false narrative, the vast majority of terrorist acts in the US and EU are inherent to radical Islam.




no. http://www.start.umd.edu/research-projects/terrorism-and-extremist-violence-united-states-tevus-database read

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It's a narrative that's going to put Trump into the White House. :shrug:



ugh, actually, honesty doesn't befit you. keep shilling anonymously please. :puke:


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23661370 - 09/20/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Kinko said:
So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.




There is no country without having national security, how about making a better screening process for people that come from dangerous parts of the world that practice radical Islam?  How about not letting those people to enter the US?  How about deporting certain Muslims out of the US?



Now you sound rational , should we do the same for anyone trying to purchase a firearm ?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23661374 - 09/20/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.

The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.

So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.

It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.

Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.

A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .

How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?

The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.

There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.

A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.

A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .

A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.

A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.

A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.

The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .

The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.

It's still a massive distraction from our real existential threat though- global environmental Collapse.




I honestly wouldn't blame them. America's already killed about 2.5 million Muslims throughout the region. At this point you kind of deserve to have a dirty bomb go off in times square.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23661375 - 09/20/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.

The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.

So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.

It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.

Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.

A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .

How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?

The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.

There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.

A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.

A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .

A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.

A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.

A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.

The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .

The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.




:thumbup:

Well said, many people in this thread can't see past their nose so they can't see the real potential threats down the road.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23661377 - 09/20/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

they could be a possible convert.

Quote:

qman said:

:thumbup:

Well said, many people in this thread can't see past their nose so they can't see the real potential threats down the road.



he said the obvious that everyone already knows.

Jesus Christ,...with the assumptions. :facepalm:

i told you. go to Our Great Ladder Lord, and he will bestow his tidings unto you, in the nuclear winter.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23661384 - 09/20/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Quote:

Moonshoe said:
Alhough the number of people killed by terrorism is pretty statistically insignificant so far, terrorism is still a massive concern.

The reason is that future terrorist attacks could and left unopposed eventually will involve massively more powerful weapons and massively more damaging targets.

So far we have mostly had back pack bombs and shootings.

It's only a matter of time until we see a dirty bomb, a nuclear weapon or a biological agent used.

Or an attack on A nuclear plant . A chemical weapon released in municipal water supplies.

A radiation bomb detonated in a city centre . Or a tactical nuke detonated in a major shipping port .

How much more significant was 9/11 than the attacks of the unabomber?

The next attack might be as much bigger than 9/11 than 9/11 was from the Boston marathon bombing.

There are very plausible , almost inevitable scenarios where a successful attack could cause truly unimaginable harm.

A terrorist detonating a nuke in a major city could even cause an accidental nuclear war.

A relatively simple dirty bomb could make a huge city like New York or LA uninhabitable, and the fallout of that could break the economic back of the country .

A bomb set off in a nuclear plant could cause a radiation catastrophe like Chernobyl or worse.

A biological agent released in drinking water or delivered airborne could cause hundreds of thousands of deaths.

A terrorist release of a genetically engineered virus could cause a pandemic that brings humanity to its knees.

The weapons terrorism employs won't stop at suicide vests .

The death counts we have seen so far have Been insignificant , but the threat terrorism poses is existential.

It's still a massive distraction from our real existential threat though- global environmental Collapse.




I honestly wouldn't blame them. America's already killed about 2.5 million Muslims throughout the region. At this point you kind of deserve to have a dirty bomb go off in times square.




You're seriously sick and fucked in the head, get help.


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