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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662433 - 09/20/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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lolwut, america didnt even attack the right country in retaliation. Saudi Arabia is where the attacks originated. They were well aware of this too, maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda? I mean if the war on terror was designed to stop it its a total failure. Terrorism is up 6,500%. With that number alone one would have to assume that promotion of terror might have been the intended effect.




I don't defend US military actions across the globe, I don't think you fight terrorism away from the homeland, my main concern is national security and protecting the homeland.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23662435 - 09/20/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda?






This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.







It makes sense you wouldnt want the relatives of the people you've been ruthlessly bombing for the last 15 years in your country. I get it, you're terrified of being hit back.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662436 - 09/20/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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AA in meltdown mode. :cookiemonster:




Libs are stupid as hell.




Moonshoe is just making some excellent points and it's too difficult for many to accept, therefore meltdown mode.

Terrorist acts are not equal to lone criminal acts, it's a completely a different matter, many can't accept that reality.



no, you fucking baffling person you, his dumb shit has been refuted.

Sam Harris's "essay" has also been refuted in it's aspect of being a hypothetical, slippery slope, zero tolerance, last-ditch-effort, reactionary, stupid, and overblown hyperbole.

see: top of thread: read: respond: refute: or stfu and admit defeat entirely, or skulk away in silence. just please, don't repeat the same stupid post for umpteenth time. YOU weren't right. HE isn't right. he's been REFUTED. as has Sam Harris in his argument, in his essay.

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Terrorist acts are not equal to lone criminal acts, it's a completely a different matter, many can't accept that reality.




they aren't "lone criminal acts"? what are they? "future criminal acts of more prevalent danger"?  "super criminal acts"? "something else other than criminal?" perhaps a new word maybe? do you have one to define what they're doing other than criminal?

or do you mean it's a "non-lone criminal act".

WTF DOES YOUR ASS MEAN?




"he's been REFUTED"

I disagree. He backs up his claims with facts.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23662438 - 09/20/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Facts"

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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23662441 - 09/20/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"he's been REFUTED"

I disagree. He backs up his claims with facts.




i said come with a refutation or stfu.

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here is Sam Harris's "case" (the moron)

https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy

here is his idea of a nuclear strike against a hypothetical and hyperbolic threat of 'future scriptural adherents to Islam that may hypothetically get really dangerous weapons that they're a: unlikely to get b: unlikely to have launch capabilities for and c: is just about any Muslim potentiate, in theory.'

https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/response-to-controversy#premptive_nuclear_war

here's me refuting this idiocy, which Moonshoe ascribed to, in his repeat views echoing Sam Harris's "case".

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the hypothetical point is that IF Islamic forces HAD a nuke, and COULD launch it, they are more likely than any other group, save a sum few (or no? they are alone in this prospect?) to launch it, out of the regard for their beliefs ect....

that is fallacious logic, however, to presume that that instance (improbable, at best) must be met with equal determination to nuke the fuck out of them first; which is absurd.




to add: a less only for retards approach would be to use special ops to take out this hypothetical nuke. not nuke the fucking nuke along with whomever else. idiotic. fucking idiotic. only FOR idiots. FOR IDIOTS ONLY. WARNING. INFECTIOUS MORONIC IDIOCY IS APPARENTLY CONTAGIOUS.




^ refuted as reactionary woo.

not only is Harris in this "case" committed to logical fallacy, but this "case" is also intensely stupid for one specifically, zero tolerance.

he expects Muslims to have zero tolerance for us...so he uses the same fallacious rationale to promote a "thought-experiment" about nuking them first if they ever lay HANDS on a nuke. period. for safety.

poor poor misunderstood Sam.

PS: the actual name of this specific logical fallacy is called "Two Wrongs Make A Right".

just because Sam is afraid that Muslims might launch a nuke, doesn't justify or logically follow, that the response called for is to launch a nuke back at them.

especially since it is a False Dilemma.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662452 - 09/20/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
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maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda?






This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.







It makes sense you wouldnt want the relatives of the people you've been ruthlessly bombing for the last 15 years in your country. I get it, you're terrified of being hit back.




I didn't ruthlessly bomb anyone. I'm not personally responsible for the decisions and actions of people I never agreed with in the first place.

Do you also condone Cartel hits on innocent family members of rival Cartels? Are you some kind of sadist or something?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
    #23662460 - 09/20/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Then you'd be marked off as collateral damage, just like they do over there. Some innocents die, whatever. Do you see what im getting at?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662490 - 09/20/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You call intentionally targeting innocent people... 'collateral damage'?

When terrorists start detonating bombs at the homes of war criminal politicians, with blasts that accidentally take out the mailman and part the neighbor's house... then we call it 'collateral damage'. Until then, it's not collateral damage, it's just intentional targeting of exclusively innocent soft targets.

How 'bout those ISIS fuckheads who cut the heads off of Christians in ritualistic, murderous fashion. Are those collateral damage too? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0f8_1361297196
I'm assuming they meant to decapitate an aggressor but their blades accidentally slipped and cut an innocent person's head off instead of their intended target?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
    #23662500 - 09/20/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What about the strike on the hospital in afghanistan? Or the bombing of schools, and mosques. What about all the times they got it wrong, or just purposefully, bombed civilians? (which is at least 70% of the time) Thats just collateral damage? A bomb going off in a quiet all american suburb though. Oh what a terrible tragedy. What evil, vile monsters. lol.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662510 - 09/20/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

not to mention, those bombers = not military.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #23662584 - 09/20/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do you think these Jihadists would be satisfied if we prosecuted and imprisoned all our U.S. Government Officials for the war crimes that you speak of? Would that quell their over-arching desire to destroy western civilization and bring all of us infidels to heel? I doubt it. This seems to be more than just retribution and seeking justice. These radicals legitimately want all of us to be destroyed regardless of what we've done or haven't done to them. Period.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
    #23662604 - 09/20/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And they'll keep on trying as long as people like yourself think they are the most dangerous threat we face instead of what they are, a bunch of attention whores who love the fact that a couple of losers can make a bomb in mommy's basement amd capture the attention of the world for days on end.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott]
    #23662629 - 09/20/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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These radicals legitimately want all of us to be destroyed regardless of what we've done or haven't done to them. Period.



You don't seem to be taking that very seriously.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23662650 - 09/20/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you think these Jihadists would be satisfied if we prosecuted and imprisoned all our U.S. Government Officials for the war crimes that you speak of? Would that quell their over-arching desire to destroy western civilization and bring all of us infidels to heel? I doubt it. This seems to be more than just retribution and seeking justice. These radicals legitimately want all of us to be destroyed regardless of what we've done or haven't done to them. Period.




I dont even think theyre a threat as it is. Aside from a single incident 15 years ago theres never really been any sort of attack. We might as well be in the middle of 1984 with the ministry of truth telling us we're all still in a state of war. Instead we're just bombing the shit out of a population that cant even mount any sort of air defense.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: qman]
    #23662696 - 09/20/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Josh Earnst is a fucking moron.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Kinko]
    #23663716 - 09/20/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.





no, that's you that concluded it's not an issue, how about telling the people in
Orlando that terrorism in the US isnt a big deal, maybe you should tell the families
of the victims of terrorists on 9/11 that terrorism in the US is not an issue, you
sound like obama, want to tell us how it's all just workplace violence since the
9/11 victims were at work when the shit went down?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: koods]
    #23663724 - 09/20/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And they'll keep on trying as long as people like yourself think they are the most dangerous threat we face instead of what they are, a bunch of attention whores who love the fact that a couple of losers can make a bomb in mommy's basement amd capture the attention of the world for days on end.





is that why shit happened in 1993?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

maybe you should take the same attitude about the big, black scary rifles as well,
just ignore the gun owners, they're just attention whoring momma's boys, if you
ignore them the shootings will stop, right... that is what you're saying about these
terrorists you're defending isnt it?


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23663764 - 09/21/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ok he might have meant you, what I'm saying is its unfair of him to say that, and what I said is what he should have clarified, if he wasn't being unfair but I dunno
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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23664380 - 09/21/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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PeyoteZen said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
maybe theyre actively lying to you to pursue a hidden agenda?






This is not a Bush Administration apologist sentiment. This is just common sense national security and self-preservation instinct, and for me personally, it's not motivated by any partisan allegiances.







It makes sense you wouldnt want the relatives of the people you've been ruthlessly bombing for the last 15 years in your country. I get it, you're terrified of being hit back.




I didn't ruthlessly bomb anyone. I'm not personally responsible for the decisions and actions of people I never agreed with in the first place.

Do you also condone Cartel hits on innocent family members of rival Cartels? Are you some kind of sadist or something?




Like it or not, youre as responsible for the US military as your Syrian counterpart is for Assad.


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Re: White House Press Secretary: U.S. in a 'Narrative Fight' with Islamic State [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23664387 - 09/21/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So we've come to the conclusion that terrorism is not an issue in the united states and it has been blown way out of proportion ..... Even from qman and prisoner I expect agreements. Which says a lot because I don't expect much from either of you.





no, that's you that concluded it's not an issue, how about telling the people in
Orlando that terrorism in the US isnt a big deal, maybe you should tell the families
of the victims of terrorists on 9/11 that terrorism in the US is not an issue, you
sound like obama, want to tell us how it's all just workplace violence since the
9/11 victims were at work when the shit went down?




It is statistically a non issue.

I dont want to hear appeals of emotion from you when koods has already pointed out cops are a much bigger threat and all I ever see from you on that front is "they were stupid they deserved it. /thread"

Or maybe we can divorce brown people mass shootings from mass shootings in general, that way we dont have to address yet another problem bigger than jihadists.


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