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Mushierage
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23659571 - 09/19/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I fan by opening the lid to mist. The mister moves enough air to be considered fanning IMO.
I fan with the mister bottle when the water from previous fanning has evaporated.
This made me laugh.
But he just told you when to mist. When the glistening layer of water beads on the substrate evaporate. Then mist again.
However many times a day that happens.
Edit: argh beat me to it.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: Mushierage]
#23659609 - 09/19/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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use a bit of common sense when looking at a cake. if it seems dry.. give her a mist  or post a pic and ask.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23659745 - 09/19/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: FAE is passive. FAE isn't user controlled. if you build your SGFC correctly the holes give it FAE all the time 24/7
if you want to give manual FAE you have to fan every few minutes
This is exactly what I was trying to get to but instead was bashed and it was well deserved because I wasn't clear. Totally my fault. I was in a rush to board a plane to Detroit. Ill make sure I'm more clear for now on.
You can take a look at his cakes and take a good look at how the mycelium looks. Its smooth. I have seen this happen several times when someone is attempting to do the mist and FAE process too much causing a borderline drying out. I've even done it my self a couple of times. Thankfully the OP's cake isn't that dry.
With the RH as high as he said it is in that chamber he should have more growth than the little he has especially when it comes to hyphal knots.
What I told him to do would allow the RH in that chamber to do its job and form the micro dew drops on the mycelium that it needs to start pinning. Then if more FAE is needed then he can add more. At least he isn't sitting there with a stalled cake.
A greenhouse is a prime example of proper FAE. A green house exchanges the air but maintains humidity levels. There is always a moving flow of clean water laden air which promotes evaporation. This is what the SGFC does. If someone were to go into a greenhouse and quickly evacuate all of the air within seconds all of the plants are going to wilt and show signs of stress. This is exactly what you are doing when you fan too much in hopes to have good FAE. It would be better to just mist and let the natural fall of the water droplets pull fresh air with it.
The relative humidity in a SGFC does a good job at forming the required water droplets. With 90% RH the op should be able to see these small water droplets forming on the cake. Then the convection air currents in the chamber should be well enough to cause evaporation that will cause pinning.
The fact is IMO hes fanning too much. He really shouldn't be fanning at all in a SGFC unless he see signs of needed FAE. This also goes into the reason why I told him to dial back on his misting to prevent pooling water with the lack of manual fanning.
Guys I get it. I'm considered new here. I don't have many posts but that doesn't mean I don't have experience or that I don't have a good grasp on the science behind it.
So I'm going to stay firm footed :
Stop manually Fanning. Give the cakes time to recover to grow more hyphal knots. If the SGFC is built correctly it will do its job and you will have pins.
I tell people this all the time when it comes to plants. "Leave them alone and let them and the environment do its job. You are literally killing it with love."
Edited by katbusa (09/19/16 07:21 PM)
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: katbusa]
#23659758 - 09/19/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe you just need to keep waiting.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: katbusa]
#23659759 - 09/19/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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katbusa
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: amidogen]
#23659791 - 09/19/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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amidogen said: It sucks being new and having your advice be what people point out as being wrong.
That being said, I don't think waving the lid for 10 seconds over his SGFC 3x a day is increasing evaporation appreciably, and certainly not enough to dry his cakes all on its own, nor do I think it's the sole cause of his lack of fruits Like was said earlier, 9 days isn't that long, and those cakes look bacterial IMO.
You're totally right. 9 days is not that long but he should start having hyphal knots showing up by now or at least some forms of growth. The thing could have a bacterial issue. I blew those images up and looked all over. The cake looks like it in the starting stages of drying out. Diagnosing issues over the web using 2D photos is hard and a lot of detail gets lost.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: katbusa]
#23659803 - 09/19/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, you can't always get it right. Somebody knows the right answers here, and believe it. They will correct you everytime.
Just learn from it. The takeaway is what's important.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: Mushierage]
#23659884 - 09/19/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mushierage said: Hey, you can't always get it right. Somebody knows the right answers here, and believe it. They will correct you everytime.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23659947 - 09/19/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am also a new cultivator. I had my first set of cakes in April and got a staggering 5 grams from 2 flushes on 6 cakes. Colonization took 2 months (1/2 pint brf) and it was 18 days from birth to first pins. I almost threw in the towel on this hobby but I had another syringe to use so I tried a mini mono with WBS>cvg. 2 flushes netted 70 grams dried.
Don't get discouraged is what Im getting at. The payoff is too nice when you succeed.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: Bobabouy]
#23659986 - 09/19/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bobabouy said: Maybe you just need to keep waiting.

I'm going to make the assumption that you didn't let your cakes consolidate for a week inside the jars after colonization If I am correct basically all you have done is let them consolidate in your SGFC I personally think it's best to wait until you see pins in the jars before birthing dunking and rolling
Also more verm!!!
I would re-roll those cakes making sure the verm actually sticks to and creates a layer around your cake. This will provide a few functions. It creates a microclimate on the surface of your cakes that helps trigger pinning and also helps you gauge when to re mist your cakes.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: Mushierage]
#23660023 - 09/19/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I went back and read my own notes. My pride doesn't mean more to me than my word. So I'm going to say it now. When it comes to BRF cakes I'm ultra rusty. I thought I had a better grasp than I did. When I dipped out from growing active's a while back I was doing bulk mono grows which are totally different. The mono's I grew were pretty much dialed in and didn't need any extra help till after the first flush. It's amazing what you forget even if you think you remember its easy to make mistakes.
I would much rather be called out than send someone on their way with bad advice which I gave. I mean this 100% truthfully and not sarcastically thank you for the correction. I need to go back from the start pretty much re-learn the shit I forgot which sucks but it's necessary.
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Re: Why are my cakes not fruiting??? [Re: katbusa]
#23661265 - 09/20/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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katbusa said: So I went back and read my own notes. My pride doesn't mean more to me than my word. So I'm going to say it now. When it comes to BRF cakes I'm ultra rusty. I thought I had a better grasp than I did. When I dipped out from growing active's a while back I was doing bulk mono grows which are totally different. The mono's I grew were pretty much dialed in and didn't need any extra help till after the first flush. It's amazing what you forget even if you think you remember its easy to make mistakes.
I would much rather be called out than send someone on their way with bad advice which I gave. I mean this 100% truthfully and not sarcastically thank you for the correction. I need to go back from the start pretty much re-learn the shit I forgot which sucks but it's necessary.
Nicely said man
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