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InvisibleStargate
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Medical Tinctures
    #23657354 - 09/18/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So, I got an investor to fund a study of mine, focusing on the suppression of specific cancer cells, using medicinal mushroom extracts. The extracts contain a mix of different medicinal mushroom extracts.

Now, this investor comes back to me, asking to instead be my business partner. I'll receive a damn good share of the company. My part is to make a shitload of extract for a product that we will bring to market. He has something else medicinal in the product as well, but I won't say what that is.

I just barely missed the last Colorado University auction, which I'm totally pissed about. A 40 gallon retort with boiler sold there for $90. Those are great for commercial mushroom farms. I should have been the one to buy that. I'm going to see if I can buy it off the guy that bought it. That way, I can process way more grain at a time.

Anyways, I'm planning on doing these steps:

1. Extract with alcohol.
2. Extract with warm water.
3. Distill the alcohol in order to recollect a good portion, and decrease the volume of the tincture.
4. Distill the warm water extract.
5. Use a hydrometer to find the amount of alcohol left in the alcohol extract.
6. Mix the two extracts together, calculating to have 20-23% alcohol left in the tincture.

After that, I will be mixing it with the preexisting medicinal sample my investor/business partner gave me, and handing the product back so he can check it out.

Now, I'm worried on one part. In the distillation, I don't want to break down any medicinal properties. I'm not sure what temp those break down at. If boiling water/alcohol will break them down, I can instead use a vacuum distillation setup. That will bring the boiling point down.

I can bring the boiling point of water down to 20C/68F, and I can bring the boiling point of alcohol down to 3C/37.4F.

While I have the capability to do the vacuum, I don't want to do it if its not necessary.

Any idea what temperatures may effect the medicinal properties?


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Re: Medical Tinctures [Re: Stargate]
    #23658649 - 09/19/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Aloha is drying and pasteurizing their mycelium product at 190f...

Here's a little  info that could help..

http://www.alohamedicinals.com/full-spectrum-mycoproducts.html#.VpcJPbzfUQo

I have more info that I'll send later..


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Re: Medical Tinctures [Re: micelio]
    #23658856 - 09/19/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the link. I can't wait for the other information later :smile:

Though remember, I'm working on a tincture, extracted from the mycelium and/or fruit body. I'll need to boil them down. 190f is below water's boiling temp.


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Re: Medical Tinctures [Re: Stargate]
    #23659007 - 09/19/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Double extraction..

Alcohol and water extraction..


For the water extraction Don't boil..

Use low heat (simmer) for a few days..


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17144627#17144627

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17727711#17727711


Dilution Calculator

I try to stay above 25% alcohol for a good preservative ratio..

http://homedistiller.org/calcs/rad14701


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Re: Medical Tinctures [Re: micelio]
    #23659368 - 09/19/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Are you looking to recapture the ethanol purely for economic reasons or do you need to get the % down for marketability?

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Re: Medical Tinctures [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23659484 - 09/19/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Pastywhyte said:
Are you looking to recapture the ethanol purely for economic reasons or do you need to get the % down for marketability?



For economic reasons, mostly. We just received an order for 30,000 bottles.

When it comes to volume like that, its worth recovering as much as possible.


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Re: Medical Tinctures [Re: Stargate]
    #23659892 - 09/19/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Stargate..


Double extraction..


Click on the supplement facts right below the Host Defense Extract Box..

http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/host-defense-reishi-extract-2-fluid-oz.html

Notice that Paul Stamets product is 30% to 40% alcohol..

Mycelium is grown on brown rice. (mycelium for liquid extract)..

Fruit body is alcohol extract...

If you let the alcohol percentage go to low  you could have a problem of having unwanted crap growing in your tinctures.
Not a problem if you keep refrigerated..


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