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Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. 4
#23658811 - 09/19/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket (also barrel, basket or pot), is a way of thinking best described by the phrase, "if I can't have it, neither can you."[1] The metaphor refers to a bucket of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the bucket, but instead they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise.[2][3][4][5] The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.[6][7][8][9][10]
Its a big problem throughout life, and an integral part of the competitive mindset.
The Pub, and indeed the world, is being mostly held down by this, people competing instead of synergizing.
We can lift each other up using our collective strengths, we, as, all of us, as One. There is no telling what we could do as a group if we United on a deeper level, be it PLUR, Shroomery Island or serious business.
Crab mentality.
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante] 1
#23658828 - 09/19/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup, I see it in myself and others all of the time. I'm actually of the opinion that while individuals can and should act to better themselves and raise their consciousness, we have a tendency to overestimate the willpower and insight available to people generally, and its a bit of a fairy story imo to imagine that we can simply expect people to change the world by thinking differently on an individual level. We need systemic and societal kluges to encourage people to act rationally and humanely, as well as these kinds of mental movements. The environment we find ourselves in today is terribly diminishing of rational thought, and until we fix that a lot of these nasty human instincts will be impossible to eradicate , imo
still, don't want to sound defeatist. The more people that think and behave like you do asante the better
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
#23658829 - 09/19/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This thread just makes me want to eat crab. Perhaps because I'm already so damn misanthropic I would expect nothing other than what the quote suggests.
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
#23658832 - 09/19/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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We come from an intensely competitive environments and that type of behaviour is pretty much the MO for every animal out there. One would have to assume its kind of an integral part of everything. Instinctual even.
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It is instinctual, but we can override instinct with rational thought. In some cases that competitive streak is beneficial for the common good, in others not so much. I'm not big on the appeal to nature, or appeal to instinct however as I tend to see reason as superior
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
#23658915 - 09/19/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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We all have it in us, the Opponent and the Ally. I'm sure you noticed me trying to get the synergism train rolling in threads.
Imagine a Shroomery with more group cohesion. A Shroomery like an awesome fraternaty or better: an Illuminati of its own. Need info, need help, need a job, a room to crash in a strange town, fun drug friendly roommates to share rent with, a bit of cash - interest free - to tide you over? Come to the Organization. we will set you up. One for All and All for One. You contribute so hey, compadre, we'll take good care of you, we know you're good for it.

I'm strictly NOT talking illegal activity but imagine the Shroomery was more synergistic and helpful.
A friend of a friend got a job through his fraternity network that ended up paying him several hundred thousand bucks a year. Connections. I can tell you how many connections the Shroomery has, a million unique visitors a month.
Almost all our potential is unused, as a social group.
To be a devil's advocate, think of the Rothschilds for a moment.
That started out with a father and his sons who made a bold plan. Each of the sons went to live in a major city and started a bank there, and these banks in strategic locations all worked together as One. Now they have a family capital of over 500 Trillion, so its said.
All because of the cunning plan of a father and his sons.
Thats an example of what can happen when people TRULY synergize, when they act as one.
Of course we shouldnt become an international banking cartel, that position is taken but surely, you get my point.
We can work together on a much higher level than we do now and help each other advance in our lives more than we would otherwise.
Nothing illegal! But think of the possibilities if we all added our strengths together and put our eggs into this one Shroomy basket.
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
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well I admit I've got no suggestions, but I'm with ya in spirit Asante  (also if you do start an international banking cartel I'd be down. Just saying)
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
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Its of course wild examples but, there is much potential.
Particularly not a top-down approach, but members connecting more efficiently.
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante] 4
#23659013 - 09/19/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the answer is to take drugs all the time and then shit on everyone who doesn't do exactly the same.
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
#23659017 - 09/19/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it
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goldcaphunter said: Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it 
Synergizing is communism?
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Asante]
#23659024 - 09/19/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have an opportunity for other shroomerites looking for a business connection. I just need a small deposit of $5 from you and also $5 from three people you will recruit into our organization, the shroominarty.
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goldcaphunter said: Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it 
debatable, especially if you consider many European nations to be socialist. IMO socialism works fine, the problem is centralized dictatorships without a replacement for the market, which -although it can get out of hand if not regulated- serves a valuable role the soviets overlooked. imo socialism is totally workable and preferable to what America has currently
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
#23659055 - 09/19/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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But the variable of humans being defiant and inherently greedy would deteriorate the system to the point of failure.
The European nations that implement "socialism" do so with a very mild version. To the point I don't even really consider it to be true socialism!
Just my opinion obviously, and I fucking hate talking about our government let alone other nations governments
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goldcaphunter said: Communism/socialism works on paper. That's about it 
Stop being so crabby.
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: PatrickKn] 3
#23659076 - 09/19/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@asante,
oh indeed sir, you see!! it is not humans that are inherently greedy, it is culture. now we are getting to it!!
Edited by DinduNuffin (09/19/16 03:42 PM)
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I knew that would fit your agenda!
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I disagree (unfortunately i like talking about politics and government ha) I'm of the opinion that its not an issue of socialism vs capitalism, but that rather either system in its extreme is unworkable, and actually the most desirable society would be a mixture of the two. also while indeed there are underlying instincts involved, society exaggerates or quenches those instincts depending on the particular model. The problem with the american model today, imo, is that it encourages greed and 'crab' thinking beyond natural levels. An ideal socialist model, not a totalitarian communist nightmare state, might actually limit greed and selfishness, especially given a good education system and an environment in which rational thought is encouraged and explored as the basis for altruism is essentially a rational one, not an instinctive one imo (that is why I don't think libertarian ideals could ever work in their pure form for instance)
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Re: Crab Mentality [Re: Ezuma]
#23659114 - 09/19/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bunch of crabs in this thread
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Quote from Asante in this thread:
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Imagine a Shroomery with more group cohesion. A Shroomery like an awesome fraternaty or better: an Illuminati of its own. Need info, need help, need a job, a room to crash in a strange town, fun drug friendly roommates to share rent with, a bit of cash - interest free - to tide you over? Come to the Organization. we will set you up...
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, but moreso here than any other site, the above has been my experience. I can't even begin to list all the amazing ways people here have helped me out. Like, it's innumerable. Maybe even illimitable. And I try to do what I can to help out others here. I think most of us are like that.
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DinduNuffin said: @asante,
oh indeed sir, you see!! it is not humans that are inherently greedy, it is culture. now we are getting to it!!
One could argue that anything a human does is inherently human.
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Burke Dennings said: Not trying to be contrarian or anything, but moreso here than any other site, the above has been my experience. I can't even begin to list all the amazing ways people here have helped me out. Like, it's innumerable. Maybe even illimitable. And I try to do what I can to help out others here. I think most of us are like that. 
That's fucking heartwarming man.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Asante]
#23659204 - 09/19/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket (also barrel, basket or pot), is a way of thinking best described by the phrase, "if I can't have it, neither can you."[1] The metaphor refers to a bucket of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the bucket, but instead they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise.[2][3][4][5] The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.[6][7][8][9][10]
Its a big problem throughout life, and an integral part of the competitive mindset.
The Pub, and indeed the world, is being mostly held down by this, people competing instead of synergizing.
We can lift each other up using our collective strengths, we, as, all of us, as One. There is no telling what we could do as a group if we United on a deeper level, be it PLUR, Shroomery Island or serious business.
Crab mentality.
Discuss synergistically.
other than helping one off a stool or to/from a loo, how often do you see people helping each other in pubs?
maybe the pub should be renamed, and all posting while intoxicated should be a bannable offense
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: demiu5]
#23659227 - 09/19/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive had mixed experiences with both helpful shroomerites and unhelpful a-holes. A blend of each.
Cultivation is a good place to start. People can be very helpful or bring u down for not knowing something cause u got 15,000 posts or for posting old info and using that and not realizing its outdated info.
In a perfect world, our community would be positive to everyone, for every situation. Sadly, its a mix.
But i will say, for the most part, members are friendly and helpful with no desire of recipication. But there will always be trolls and shitposters. Always....
The duality of man, just like junkie cop.
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Imagine a Shroomery with more group cohesion. A Shroomery like an awesome fraternaty or better: an Illuminati of its own. Need info, need help, need a job, a room to crash in a strange town, fun drug friendly roommates to share rent with, a bit of cash - interest free - to tide you over? Come to the Organization. we will set you up...
Not trying to be contrarian or anything, but moreso here than any other site, the above has been my experience. I can't even begin to list all the amazing ways people here have helped me out. Like, it's innumerable. Maybe even illimitable. And I try to do what I can to help out others here. I think most of us are like that. 
Not contrarian at all, we already have that to a higher degree compared to many other communities, but what if we went even stronger on that?
We're a very good comunity and I'm proud to be allowed to serve it as an admin, I just look for angles to make a great site even better. We have every website feature known to science and Ythan moved the goalposts to expand that many times.
Its in the community sense we can expand more.
Take Larrythescaryrex' initiative. Isnt that absolutely heartwarming? And there is so much more to it.
We admins hate to be Nazis, so we don't want to force change top-down but if we can we like to promote grassroots initiatives, like Larry's.
This community can give itself momentum.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Asante]
#23660493 - 09/20/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket (also barrel, basket or pot), is a way of thinking best described by the phrase, "if I can't have it, neither can you."[1] The metaphor refers to a bucket of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the bucket, but instead they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise.[2][3][4][5] The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.[6][7][8][9][10]
Its a big problem throughout life, and an integral part of the competitive mindset.
The Pub, and indeed the world, is being mostly held down by this, people competing instead of synergizing.
We can lift each other up using our collective strengths, we, as, all of us, as One. There is no telling what we could do as a group if we United on a deeper level, be it PLUR, Shroomery Island or serious business.
Crab mentality.
Discuss synergistically.
I'd say this is pretty prevalent, but nothing important really goes on in the shroomery so I never notice it here.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Repertoire89] 1
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the shroomery is great. the more i feel it slip to the denizens of the far-reaching anti *insert ideology here* crowds of users, the more that greatness turns to repulsion. i guess i always thought of the Shroomery as somewhat "special" and different from the likes of youtube and the rest of the overly opinionated shit on the internet. but it's not. the only thing worth coming here for is A: the people (whom aren't entrenched in ideological arguments constantly, ruining the pub, for sure) and B: the fact that this website caters to a wide variety of things, and also, is operated smoothly, with the exception of handling ideologues whom simply create problems for the website (they are given free-reign, which is fine. i don't care if they turn the shroomery into a free-for-all. i guess it's one of the downfalls of being such an open environment. still, a bit off.)
i guess that would kind of make me an ideologue, but meh, i don't go on about it. i don't make "shroomery sucks now" threads, but only because it's only half-true. so my bullshit is kept on lock, as far as i'm concerned. that, and i might reply to bullshit, usually with more bullshit, but that's because arguing for or against ideological bullshit bigotry and the non-acceptance of people's various (and mostly uninformed) opinions (as per the definition of opinion) is stupid. and i'm an idiot.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: akira_akuma]
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I don't feel like associating with people when I have something to loose, been burned too many times and it makes me cautious and paranoid.
But if your community plan works you'll get a thumbs up from me. At least what you post is of value. The main problem is (or what it feels like to me, just from skimming over post titles) is there's lots of fuckups who do lots of drugs. Which is fine. I'm a fuckup who (in my own estimation) does a little bit of drugs.
It's not a complaint, it's an observation. Probably a lot of suffering and soul searching, I remember that used to be important to me, whearas now my only priority is comfort.
You know what I'd like to do? Voice overs. I have a decent microphone (zoom h2n), I speak received pronunciation as well as a host of accents from the British Isles which is a hobby of mine, and French. Alas, I never spent enough time in Belgium and France to pick up the nuances of their accents but I'd like to.
So, if anyone wants voiceovers and can sort me out with some goodies for my efforts, or if the project sounds like fun, ask.
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I think a little less alpha competitiveness and a little more beta, social affiliative cooperation would go a long ways towards making this site a better place to coexist.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Asante]
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Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket (also barrel, basket or pot), is a way of thinking best described by the phrase, "if I can't have it, neither can you."[1] The metaphor refers to a bucket of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the bucket, but instead they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise.[2][3][4][5] The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.[6][7][8][9][10]
Its a big problem throughout life, and an integral part of the competitive mindset.
The Pub, and indeed the world, is being mostly held down by this, people competing instead of synergizing.
We can lift each other up using our collective strengths, we, as, all of us, as One. There is no telling what we could do as a group if we United on a deeper level, be it PLUR, Shroomery Island or serious business.
Crab mentality.
Discuss synergistically.
what you describe is the mentality of liberals, it's truly expressed it's self over the last several years with the '99%' horse shit, the 'share the wealth' mantra and all the other anti capitalist crap in addition to other things
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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people never would have gotten there if it wasn't a political farce every goddamn election.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: people never would have gotten there if it wasn't a political farce every goddamn election.
RACIST!
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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i advocate for destroying all races, so i can't be a racist. just misanthropic. i win.
PS: and note, i didn't exclude Obama.
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I was just pretending to be a liberal and treating you like they do anyone that doesnt suck their dick
want to stop being a racist, suck my dick you misogynist
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i think most of it has to do with the main demographic this board serves. 20-40 is an age where you have something to prove. it's the time to be hyper-individualistic while you lay the foundation of a life for yourself. but that necessarily fierce spirit of competition and selfishness breeds bad habits that only experience, namely inevitable failure and tragedy, can remedy. we're all at different points on that trajectory; i'm certainly no exception. so when i look at people here who haven't really figured out how to connect with their fellow person, i mostly just chalk it up to age, or maybe just low self esteem. the true cunts here are few and far between and quite easily ignored. i can't even name anyone off the top of my head of who i'd have in mind that belongs in that category. most of the less pleasant posters are just ignorant, and again, that's appropriate given the age range of most posters here. i think most of our posters want to do the right thing most of the time.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: millzy]
#23661481 - 09/20/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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that's pretty cogent, millzy.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#23661502 - 09/20/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Millzy always drops bombs like that, I love it.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23661528 - 09/20/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have a feeling a lot of bullshit can merely be chalked up to psychology. Millzy has taken a psychology course, for sure; right @Millzy?
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Asante]
#23661838 - 09/20/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said:
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Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket (also barrel, basket or pot), is a way of thinking best described by the phrase, "if I can't have it, neither can you."[1] The metaphor refers to a bucket of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the bucket, but instead they grab at each other in a useless "king of the hill" competition which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise.[2][3][4][5] The analogy in human behavior is claimed to be that members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.[6][7][8][9][10]
Its a big problem throughout life, and an integral part of the competitive mindset.
The Pub, and indeed the world, is being mostly held down by this, people competing instead of synergizing.
We can lift each other up using our collective strengths, we, as, all of us, as One. There is no telling what we could do as a group if we United on a deeper level, be it PLUR, Shroomery Island or serious business.
Crab mentality.
Discuss synergistically.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: memes]
#23662609 - 09/20/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How the fuck am I back to 4 shrooms Asante I was five shrooms yesterday. Ya'll are playing with my crabmotions.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Asante] 1
#23662624 - 09/20/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"members of a group will attempt to negate or diminish the importance of any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy, spite, conspiracy, or competitive feelings, to halt their progress.[6][7][8][9][10]"
This same phenomenon has been described using the phrases "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" Or "the tallest poppy gets chopped down"
Sadly, this does seem to be a very real dynamic.
People often think tall, attractive or intelligent people must have it remarkably easy, which to some extent is true, but the benefit is mitigated to some extent by the way in which these gifted people often elicit reactions of envy, resentment , jealousy, spite , bitterness , possessiveness and even hatred from others.
People often percieve very attractive people as being arrogant , even when those people are internally painfully shy, lonely and self conscious.
Likewise, people often interpret highly intelligent people as being smug, patronizing or condescending, often to the frustrated bafflement of said person.
People who are athletically, musically or mathematically talented may be seen as having everything come easily and naturally to them, without realizing the Amount of hard work and discipline they may have had to Invest to reach the level of achievement they have.
I know lots of extremely hot girls who are extremely , painfully shy, insecure and self conscious .
Ironically, it's sometimes this very shyness and insecurity that leads them to remain distant from people, which people sometimes interpret as being a "stuck up bitch"
Likewise a highly intelligent person may find herself consistently being called patronizing or smug, and that upsets them and makes them feel uncomfortable around others, and the withdrawing is interpreted as being aloof and thinking they are better than others.
The sad irony is that often it's exactly the signs of shyness, loneliness and Insecurity that people attribute to arrogance, aloofness and "thinking you are better than everyone else", creating a painful feedback loop/ reinforcing cycle .
Another example is how short men will often imagine that tall men are being disrespectful To them and be unnecessarily aggressive to the tall man, or how people assume a large muscular athletic man must be a "meathead" or a "dumb jock", or how a big strong man who walks into a bar may become the target of violence simply because he looks big and strong .
Even something that Is attained entirely through hard work can cause people to despise them, such as people who feel highly educated people must be arrogant, or people who feel justified in picking fights with someone who has a black belt .
Highly attractive women are more likely to be sexually harassed by men and at the same time elicit the jealousy of other females.
Highly attractive men, likewise, can cause other men to be unnecessarily defensive around Their girlfriends.
The student with the highest marks In a class Can elicit the bitterness of her classmates and be called a "teachers pet " or a "brown noser" or a "suck up".
Someone who has worked hard to cultivate spirituality or morality may be painted as judgmental , sanctimonious or on a high horse.
Someone with good fashion sense can be called shallow, and someone who is financially successful is painted as greedy or materialistic.
Someone who is successful in sex or romance can be called a whore or slut.
People feel uncomfortable around someone who surpasses them in some way, and this leads to projecting negative qualities that do not exist over positive attributes that do.
The general term for all these examples is "player hating" or just being a "hater".
When a person who is gifted or talented makes an honest and accurate appraisal Of their own qualities, this is taken as arrogance or boasting.
If someone who is actually a genius says "I am very intelligent " they are actually being modest, but will be accused of being egotistical.
If someone who is extremely athletic says "I am in very good shape" he is actually downplayin things, but people will take it as bragging.
If a gorgeous woman describes herself as pretty, men and women alike may call her stuck up or full of herself .
And God forbid you are highly intelligent, tall, athletic and extremely attractive all at Once.
Even if you are always as kind and modest as you can be, Many people will hate you for it.
If you ever give an honest account of your own qualities, you will surely be despised as an egotistical narcissist.
A blonde woman can say she is blonde without being hated for it, but a smart man who honestly recognizes his own intelligence or a sexy woman who doesn't deny the truth of her own beauty will be hated .
When someone feels lesser than you, they automatically tend to assume that you must also feel greater than them, and hate you for it, even if you weren't making any comparisons to them at all.
For a tall man, having a short boss is a nightmare .
For a hot woman, having an ugly female boss is a nightmare.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23662641 - 09/20/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: How the fuck am I back to 4 shrooms Asante I was five shrooms yesterday. Ya'll are playing with my crabmotions.
Someone must have appropriately changed their rating of you.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23662649 - 09/20/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought when someone edited their rating it went back to the top. The best I figger someone changed the "weight" of their rating making it more or less powerful towards the average.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23662826 - 09/20/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I edited a rating of someone a couple days ago, and was surprised to see it not go to the top. They've been tinkering with the feature.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Burke Dennings]
#23662838 - 09/20/16 07:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Indeed, it has been tinkered with. To the benefit of all, IMO.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23662844 - 09/20/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh I see. Fuck you then partoftheshart you snarky bitch
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23662912 - 09/20/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't like that edited ratings don't go to the top. I get why they did it, though.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23662925 - 09/20/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Talk dirty to me, pooprockflushy.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Burke Dennings]
#23662928 - 09/20/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah I get it too. They realized I hit 4.5 and they're like, y'know what? lets round down guys. can hardly blame them.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23885391 - 12/01/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: Asante]
#23885455 - 12/01/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's not everything I dreamed it would be, I'm not getting as much pussy as I expected, but I do feel redeemed.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23885508 - 12/01/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: It's not everything I dreamed it would be, I'm not getting as much pussy as I expected, but I do feel redeemed. 
Looks like you're at 5 now. You're welcome.
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Re: Crab Mentality and a Shroomery that efficiently takes care of its own. [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23885591 - 12/01/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been a five for weeks, but thank you. I couldn't have done it without you.'
What was even more satisfying was knocking Herbologist down to a 4 with a single 0. Who's King Crab now?
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