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Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket
    #23658754 - 09/19/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Has anybody ever pasteurized there substrate by filling up there inner basket with sub (Not inside of the jars), but I mean putting the substrate directly inside the basket and just place some aluminum foil over the top of the basket, w/ a thermometer punched into the middle of the foil



Might take a while  for the center of the substrate to heat up with so much in  there at once.  Does/ Has anyone here used this method, and does it work ? 

I read that AGAR uses/ used a similar method, but with pots: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6753298


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23658807 - 09/19/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

what kind of substrate?


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: mushboy]
    #23658814 - 09/19/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Poo, CVG, etc


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23658822 - 09/19/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

for poo i boiled it in a pillow case. worked fine. i wouldnt want straight
shit in my AA pc.

CVG doesnt need to be pasteurized. just boiling water and a home depot painters bucket. 5bucks.

ive also pasteurized poo inside quart jars and use a candy thermometer to keep
temp at 160.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: mushboy]
    #23658861 - 09/19/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So, Let me get this straight.  You have not tried it, and had no opinion if this will work; or not.

Why oh why ?
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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23658887 - 09/19/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

of course it will 'work' by bringing your substrate to 160f

i said i used poo in a pillow case in my pc.
and i said i wouldnt want straight shit in my pc.

i could imagine some might burn to the bottom. eww.

so no i have not dumped poo into my pc like a stew and turned up the heat.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23658895 - 09/19/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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candela said:
Has anybody ever pasteurized there substrate by filling up there inner basket with sub (Not inside of the jars), but I mean putting the substrate directly inside the basket and just place some aluminum foil over the top of the basket, w/ a thermometer punched into the middle of the foil



Might take a while  for the center of the substrate to heat up with so much in  there at once.  Does/ Has anyone here use this method, and does it work ? 




I think it may be a bit tedious. The space between the inner basket and cooker sidewalls isn't very much. So the available boiling water to heat the basket won't be alot and you will probably have to add water often as it boils off and the level drops. It will probably take a long time to get the center up to temp. I've found using one larger XL bags with ~15-20lbs of substrate to be harder to keep the internal temp in check than smaller bags in one run. I bet using the whole basket may have similar issues as large bags.

If you have an AA941 I'd suggest pasteurizing in bags the way I do my casing soil in the link below in my sig.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23658898 - 09/19/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It would take a couple of years to get up to temp in the middle this way. The outer part of the sub in the basket will probably get way over-temperature unless you maintain the actual water temp right at 150-160, which will be difficult since there will be only a small amount of water in the pc. You could just fill up ziplocks...or jars.. with sub and go that route...more water in the pot, keeping water temp right will be much easier.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: sandy_vag]
    #23658918 - 09/19/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

also OP you had a thread going where you said you DONT pasteurize your
poo and have 95% success but you had bug issues. gross...

and you got numerous tips for easy pasteurizing teks.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: sandy_vag]
    #23658921 - 09/19/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It would take a couple of years to get up to temp in the middle this way. The outer part of the sub in the basket will probably get way over-temperature unless you maintain the actual water temp right at 150-160, which will be difficult since there will be only a small amount of water in the pc. You could just fill up ziplocks...or jars.. with sub and go that route...more water in the pot, keeping water temp right will be much easier.



It does not matter if the outer part of substrate exceed 160f. You can sterilize the exterior layers, this is what happens during most bag & jar pasteurization teks. The only thing that matters is the core. As long as the core temperature is maintained at the correct temp, the surviving good bacteria in the core will spread throughout the rest of the substrate as it cools back down and should be ready for use in 24 hours.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: mushboy]
    #23659010 - 09/19/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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also OP you had a thread going where you said you DONT pasteurize your
poo and have 95% success but you had bug issues. gross...




Bugs are just extra protein.  Win/ Win

Yes it has worked out pretty good without any pasteurization.  I just had to run a lot of tubs at once, because my yields per tub was low, and running a lot of tubs balanced it out, but it does work well, without any mold issues  at all!

1. Ive tried the bucket tek w/ CVG and boiling water,  with nightmarish results. Failure after Failure

2. Ive tried this no pasteurization tek with success, but yields are very low per tub, and needs to be compensated with a lot of tubs going at once.


I need to finally pasteurize my shit the right way, and see the difference.  I envy you people who only run 1 or 2 tubs and  get those huge, nice monster flushes. :bow2:  I wanna be like you!





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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23659032 - 09/19/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you can't pull off a bucket tek with CVG and your yields are poor, my money is on your spawn being as nasty as a 50 year old hooker. Clean up your spawn, chances are everything else will improve.

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Bucket tek. Coir and verm. 2810 grams wet first flush. Clean spawn man. Clean spawn.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23659051 - 09/19/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If you can't pull off a bucket tek with CVG and your yields are poor, my money is on your spawn being as nasty as a 50 year old hooker. Clean up your spawn, chances are everything else will improve.

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I envy you people who only run 1 or 2 tubs and  get those huge, nice monster flushes. 






Bucket tek. Coir and verm. 2810 grams wet first flush. Clean spawn man. Clean spawn.



There you go, Rub that beautiful tub in my face you mother'effer. Dam you  make me jealous dude. 

BTW Last time, You kicked my ass about my spawn being bad, and I switched and learned agar work, my cultures are clean.  Now, your kicking my ass about my spawn being bad, again. 

Any other possible vectors? Can I really suck this bad!

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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23659060 - 09/19/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you are failing consistently with coir then it's your spawn. Post pics of the spawn so people can try to help you. Test your spawn regularly, put grains of it on plates to see what comes up. Narrow the vectors.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: candela]
    #23659063 - 09/19/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya not pasteurising your poo ... or youre using shitty coir that has grains in it


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23659115 - 09/19/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

unless you get lucky it takes a bit of time to get the massive
flushes..at least IME cause of dirty spores and being noobish.
such as not knowing what bacterial spawn means or thinking higher
humidity was the most important fruiting factor(this was 10years ago)

its taken me about a month to transfer and grow clean cultures to
make master jars with. and a week or 2 for those jars to grow plus
another few weeks for the main spawn jars to grow.. plus another
week after that for the tubs to colonize..all the while ive got a
mini mono and some basic trays going but they are giving subpar results...why??

DIRTY SPAWN


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: mushboy]
    #23659190 - 09/19/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Let's be realistic, making really clean spawn is probably the hardest part of the whole process. I am always my own biggest critic on my spawn. Its served me well.

People are always so defensive about their spawn and look to blame pretty much anything else. I don't understand it. The hardest part of the whole process and the instinct is to blame your fail on the easy stuff? It's laughable.


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23659239 - 09/19/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

back when i was a mega noob it was like a denial reaction..

'not my spawn! its the shit... it must be that b+ strain. should of done golden teachers in bags! it worked once... pssshhhh shroomery ego jerks thinking they know everything' -not a direct quote :p


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: mushboy]
    #23659345 - 09/19/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya even if you think its clean it probably isnt ive been checking my agar before even using it if it has bumps and isnt flat i try to find a flat clean spot make a small transfer and toss the rest and i still get shit depending on how long grain sat before pc and other stuff


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Re: Bulk Pasteurization in AA Inner Basket [Re: Boogieman47]
    #23659732 - 09/19/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oven pasteurization is the easiest and best way to go. Even cooking straight coir shortens my run times a few days.


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