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Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be?
    #23658582 - 09/19/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In memory of him?


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: imachavel] * 2
    #23658682 - 09/19/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

a nomadic anarchistic raider society akin to mad max, with him a leading warlord with an army of gimps, and a citadel full of cats back home


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23659656 - 09/19/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It all depends on whether zappa came to regret his meanness in the moments before he died.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: viktor]
    #23659796 - 09/19/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lower taxes, eliminate public programs, entrepreneurial endeavor = Zappa's perfect planet.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23660298 - 09/19/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm

What a fail huh? Even in death all his words were purely contradictory

I can still hear him though

"Listen kid, I try to help you. All you kids. I try to help you guys man."

eliminate public programs eh? Like the government service that prints out a death certificate? He never got that wish. Did he?


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: imachavel]
    #23660323 - 09/19/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i think this forum can do with bit of wash of your bashing users.

PS: his personal ideological stance was half in the sane door, half in the quack door, but so is most political ideologies.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23660959 - 09/20/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Zap was your typical libertarian, to put it simply. Low taxes, low regulations, free markets, strong borders, social darwinism, but a strong military.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23660963 - 09/20/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

somewhere within that spectrum we've provided, yes, somewhere literally in and/or directly around that centre.















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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23660972 - 09/20/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Zap was your typical libertarian... a strong military.




This makes no sense.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: viktor] * 2
    #23660978 - 09/20/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Zap was your typical libertarian... a strong military.




This makes no sense.




Which is why I dont often waste time with libertarians.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23661019 - 09/20/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i believe there is too much spending on military, but not all libertarians think that way...not to say i'm libertarian. just rational...libertarian and liberal is about the same thing. it's literally a bifurcation of the scope within a particular ethos, and that ethos is termed "the left"; though libertarians can be found spotting in and among the ranks of "the right", as well.

left and right are fucking stupid terms to denote political thought.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23661068 - 09/20/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, theres the classical left and the post marxist left, not to say there isnt mass confusion about either of these terms.

But the idea of free markets, low regulation, typical laissez faire social darwinism outlook is markedly right, imo. At least in our current climate.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23661085 - 09/20/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and those would be good ideas if they could possibly be handled correctly. sadly, the "movement" um would falter and people would lazily only fend for themselves and their own, and the whole system of democracy  would eventually concede to be a failure in America, if no one thusly stood up and took over again, with a more liberal standpoint.

the only reason all that is, however, is because people are uncoordinated unless there is a pay-off. capitalist liberalism seems like the best option at this current time (not to say that it doesn't become attached to people who give it their misgivings of misapprehension, or are dishonest within their actions involved). things evolve. maybe things might work better in other ways, in other times.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23661097 - 09/20/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also, bifurcation. Good word.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23661110 - 09/20/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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and those would be good ideas if they could possibly be handled correctly. sadly, the "movement" um would falter and people would lazily only fend for themselves and their own, and the whole system of democracy  would eventually concede to be a failure in America, if no one thusly stood up and took over again, with a more liberal standpoint.

the only reason all that is, however, is because people are uncoordinated unless there is a pay-off. capitalist liberalism seems like the best option at this current time. things evolve. maybe things might work better in other ways, in other times.




Agreed.

I think my original point was that people who consider themselves "left" have no business claiming libertarian, its just a catch all for "i vote 3rd party, i want legal weed and low taxes, im a nonconformist."

Look at the "lefties" championing Gary Johnson, the pro tpp, anti regulation test tube candidate cooked up by the Kochs. Granted, theres a distinction to be made between libertarianism and The Libertarian Party, but again, most of those claiming the title dont know that, either.


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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: imachavel] * 1
    #23661208 - 09/20/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/22102653/vc/1#posttop
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/22078947/page/

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I am not entirely sure sobriety is either required or desired.







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And the vulnerable get gulled into entering law.  Another nasty business.  Your link did not support your assertion nor do you respond to my retorts. 

Do strippers enter their profession freely?  Is somebody dragging them to strip joints at gunpoint?  No.  Maybe a few  but not many by any stretch.  Are they being forced into pornography?  Maybe a few, but not many. 

What do you mean by freely?  If they are broke and feel an economic impulse to maximize their earnings potential that is freely.  Just like any other job.







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Legalize it.  And all drugs for competent adults.







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No.  We will just crush them economically like we did in the Cold war. 

They really are a nation of fuckups and zealots.  I can't imagine what any Russian thinks he should be proud of except for the Guiness world record for drunks.







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Why would anybody bother to take over Canada?  That would be even stupider than invading Libya like the idiot French decided was a good idea.  And Mexico?  Fuhgeddaboutit.  That would become our Gaza Strip.  No.  They can keep their shithole and stay there.  And I mean stay there.




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I said foreign policy because that is the purview of the Presidency.  The economy is more important but that is mostly Congress' bailiwick.  Foreign policy is the one area where the President can be almost king.  That includes, by the way, immigration enforcement.  Out cheaters.  Get in line like everybody else who wants to come here and if ou don't respect our laws you are never getting in.




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are you suggesting that a vote for the shroomery party candidate wouldn't be wasted so long as that candidate is actually eligible to run for POTUS?



This is Amurrica, dammit.  Of course furriners are ineligible.  It's in the Constitution.







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Re: Can anyone define what zappaisgods perfect idea of a perfect political world would be? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23661217 - 09/20/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

oh sure. there is alot of confusion all around. you probably can see why. (i mean, see: alt-right...WTF IS AN "ALT-RIGHT"? cultural marxism for sure! gotta be. :Trollface: )

and yeah, Gary Johnson seems like the perfect small minded candidate for the Kochsuckers.

PS: let's all take note of how when i mentioned taking action, imachavel skunked down his OP into a much nicer variable.

competition works.


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