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dankington
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: mr_dude]
#23783897 - 10/29/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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from your linked thread:
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FooMan said: The tek looks great and was nicely written. The problem is that most people here aren't big fans of using popcorn as grain spawn except for RR. He loves the stuff!
Obviously said facetiously, as this was the first result in an RR/popcorn search:
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RogerRabbit said: Do what you have to do to get the excess moisture out before proceeding. Agar is right, popcorn is the worst possible choice of spawn out of all that are available. It is not faster to colonize. The large kernel size means there is far less surface area for the mycelium to colonize, so it appears to colonize faster because a quart jar of popcorn will finish in less time than a quart of rye or wbs. However, since there is FAR less surface area to colonize in a quart of popcorn, what appears to be faster colonization is actually much slower because only about 10% of the mycelium that a similar sized jar of rye would be produced, is produced with popcorn.
In addition, popcorn is far more prone to contaminants once spawned to bulk. I arrived at this conclusion after hundreds, if not thousands of popcorn projects a few years ago. The failure rate was higher than with any other spawn, so I went back to the old standard-organic rye berries, which are also about 1/3 the price of popcorn, which gives far more bang for the buck. RR
and this:
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RogerRabbit said: Popcorn seems to colonize very fast, but it's an illusion. There is so much surface area due to the large kernel size that it doesn't take much mycelium to cover a jar full of popcorn. WBS and rye have much smaller kernel size, thus more total surface area for the mycelium to colonize, resulting in much more mycelium for a given jar size. That's why it takes longer for a quart of rye to colonize than a quart of popcorn.
The above aside, popcorn is a medeocre producer at best. When spawned to bulk substrate, the large kernels get the mycelium scraped off them, which now takes longer to recover than a small kernel, while exposed to manure or straw which hasn't been sterilized. Most growers report much higher contaminant rates with popcorn. Additionaly, popcorn is the lowest in natural triptophans of any of the common spawn materials. I quit using it years ago. RR
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RogerRabbit said: That 'oozy' look is bacillus, and it's also why you're seeing 'slow colonization'. An uncontaminated quart jar of popcorn will colonize fully in a week to ten days, so a pint should beat even that. Toss them out and start over with a proper spawn material. Popcorn is rich in bacterial endospores that survive the PC, which leads to wet spot bacteria far too often.
After making hundreds of popcorn jars, I decided a few years ago that the failure rate was simply too high. There's other problems with popcorn as well, such as the large kernel size which gets damaged when you spawn to manure or straw, leading to a higher rate of contamination later on.
Never try to save contaminated jars. That is unsound mycological advice. You'll stir up and release even more contaminants into your grow area, threatening your future projects.
In my experience, rye, millet, WBS, rye grass seed, and even brf are all far superior to popcorn. RR
I mean, it goes on and on. Did you actually research, or did that joke just fly way over your head?
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: dankington]
#23783903 - 10/29/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have you?
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: azur]
#23783917 - 10/29/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have I used popcorn? Yeah I used it quite a bit when I started. I never got any good results from it. I know I was also a noob, but I still wouldn't try it again.
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: dankington]
#23783922 - 10/29/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, sorry. Didn't see your response. Was talking to the dude with the weird avatar, Mork, I think his name is.
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: azur]
#23783948 - 10/29/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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azur said: No, sorry. Didn't see your response. Was talking to the dude with the weird avatar, Mork, I think his name is.
I talked to Mork about the poppycorn...
Mork did a side-by-side mini-mono of WBS vs. Popcorn.
Mork decided to never again try popcorn.
He said popcorn blows...
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: morty422]
#23783974 - 10/29/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ha ha. Sorry dood. I'm frequently banned from here because of cron. Fuck you cron.  So I don't really know anyone in here anymore.
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: azur]
#23784093 - 10/29/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude thats a fucked way to make someone enlarge your "thumb" lmao fucker
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: Boogieman47]
#23784120 - 10/29/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: azur]
#23784152 - 10/29/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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azur said:

If the highfive he just gave you is an accurate representation... then you missed his "thumb"...
If not...

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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: morty422]
#23784211 - 10/30/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha that reminded me of the novie waiting haha
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: Boogieman47]
#23784444 - 10/30/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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fucking pop corn piece of crap.. damnit. can i use colonized popcorn jars and do g2g to millet jars?
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: mr_dude]
#23784470 - 10/30/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can, but you still run the risk of spreading those pesky endospores to your other jars. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. If you have millet, you should start with millet, and g2g with it as well.
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: mr_dude]
#23784507 - 10/30/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Generally one would g2g from a smaller grain to a larger grain, not the other way around
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: Boogieman47]
#23784764 - 10/30/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Haha that reminded me of the novie waiting haha
Nooo. Not the Brain... it's so veiny!!
Haha.
Classic movie
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: morty422]
#23785043 - 10/30/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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how about instead of g2g from popcorn to millet, i prepare an LC jar and use that to inoc new millet jars?
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: mr_dude]
#23785075 - 10/30/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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sure. So you're going to germinate and clean up growth on agar, then inoculate an LC. Right?
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: dankington]
#23785086 - 10/30/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Couldnt he throw some grain into lc if it was clean spawn? Op you dont want to noc up lc with spores ever
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: Boogieman47]
#23785102 - 10/30/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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GLC is not really recommended. Not because it can't work, but because it's so inconsistent. Most often, there are still endospores with the grains, and that nutritious liquid are going to make them multiply like crazy.
You can however, plop a colonized grain on an agar plate.
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: dankington]
#23785109 - 10/30/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never understood why if you already have colonized grain to G2G with, why you would go from grain to LC, to grain, to spawning. Seems sort of counterproductive to me unless you have 40 extra jars sitting around that need to be inoculated.
Also what Dank said.
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Re: First Attempt at Agar and Grain [Re: dankington]
#23785119 - 10/30/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya thats true what about making an li with a quarter of the jar i mean it would be 100% to clean up spores on agar but if he has a master pretty much now... mush because hes using popcorn trying to go into millet i dont use lc period only use li that first day i make it but usually g2g oats...
I saw you ninja dank haha ya that would work faster on agar
Edited by Boogieman47 (10/30/16 11:32 AM)
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