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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 2
#23664254 - 09/21/16 07:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: so you admit america is a force of evil in the international scene. Moreover you're seemingly proud of it. I agree, and that is why I can never respect you or anyone like you
"so you admit America is a force of evil in the international scene"
Hmm no, but being the worlds only superpower brings you into a lot of questionable acts and some of those actions are wrong.
The West has brought the third world into the global economy and raised their standards of living by many multiples, that is a fact you don't seem to appreciate.
Are some of these economic relationships mutually beneficial? Yes, but that does NOT mean the US is "exploiting" disadvantaged people.
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Ezuma said: they (mainstream media) probably won't it's depressing how well maintained american global control is, that most people think of them as 'the good guys' and are terrified of Russia and China invading, and fantastical nonsense like that
If the actions are for US interests and they benefit US citizens, then they are "the good guys".
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 2
#23664414 - 09/21/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Distractions are just a bonus, care to address every single other reason, for which there are explicit monied interests?
Well, going into Iraq provided a shitty return on investment in my opinion. In fact, a negative return.
That is implying the US taxpayer was the monied interest.
Youre not this naive. At least I dont think you are.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23664466 - 09/21/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Distractions are just a bonus, care to address every single other reason, for which there are explicit monied interests?
Well, going into Iraq provided a shitty return on investment in my opinion. In fact, a negative return.
That is implying the US taxpayer was the monied interest.
Youre not this naive. At least I dont think you are.
Well, we all know how it works, put the bill on the US taxpayers and the potential positive return on investment into Big Oil's pocket.
Big Oil miscalculated, cut their losses and left a long time ago. By the time they had to pay their staff 3 times the normal salary and repair pipelines in the middle of the desert every 3 days, this cheap oil wasn't so cheap anymore.
What is very difficult to quantify is US influence in that region of the world which protects the "Petro Dollar" and its benefit for US citizens.
Policymakers can't directly say "this is for your benefit Joe Six-Pack", but they can say "we are spreading democracy", there's no real way they can say specifically say how this benefits US citizens other than "we are protecting US interests".
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 3
#23664523 - 09/21/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats a good point about the petrodollar, but I think its pretty clear that "protecting our interests" doesnt yield any benefits for the average American, let alone the people dealing with the consequences of what we're doing to protect those interests.
On the petrodollar, though, something I hadnt considered: what happens when renewables take over the energy market? Dollar value will plummet, making me think we'll do whatever we need to make sure oil exporting nations not only continue to sell a lot of oil, but to do so in dollars.
Saddam was gonna do so in Euros. Invasion. Gaddafi was gonna do so in gold. Invasion.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23664620 - 09/21/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Thats a good point about the petrodollar, but I think its pretty clear that "protecting our interests" doesnt yield any benefits for the average American, let alone the people dealing with the consequences of what we're doing to protect those interests.
On the petrodollar, though, something I hadnt considered: what happens when renewables take over the energy market? Dollar value will plummet, making me think we'll do whatever we need to make sure oil exporting nations not only continue to sell a lot of oil, but to do so in dollars.
Saddam was gonna do so in Euros. Invasion. Gaddafi was gonna do so in gold. Invasion.
"but I think its pretty clear that 'protecting our interests' doesn't yield any benefits for the average citizen"
I think it's unclear, protecting our interest after WW2 clearly benefited every US citizens, how much does it do it today? It's hard to quantify in my opinion.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: chopstick] 1
#23666554 - 09/21/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: It was a desperate move by the Americans to prevent their pet terrorists from suffering a total military defeat.
The US is blatantly supporting Al-Qaeda & the Islamic State in Syria, even now going so far as to provide them with close air support.
ISIS has promised to slaughter & enslave all 300,000 civilians that are surrounded in Deir Ezzor. The USA just killed 100 people that were defending them!
I'm so disgusted by this I wouldn't even know where to begin.
We need to find a way to educate Americans about how their government is supporting terrorism.
The problem is, nobody cares.
In terms of lives thats been lost its a holocaust. Its an industrialized, and systematic eradication of life thats using confusion and terror to turn everyone upon one another, and they use the media with striking effectiveness to cover up what theyre doing. Its like when hitler made mock ups of towns in the concentration camps for the media. Only its the media thats presenting a dialogue that isnt reflective of reality. All the major countries are also doing extensive PR campaigns and flooding the internet with propaganda. Theres entire branchs of governments popping into existence whos only operative is to influence the public and keep them subdued, about the war thats raging, climate change, resource shortages. Its insane.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23666644 - 09/21/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The US is trying to weaken the Syrian government so that after the war with ISIS the Kurds and possibly others have a shot at overthrowing the Syrian government (which is a harsh terrible middle east dictatorship).
Of course, you all know how well overthrowing governments always turns out...
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#23666756 - 09/21/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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chopstick said: It was a desperate move by the Americans to prevent their pet terrorists from suffering a total military defeat.
The US is blatantly supporting Al-Qaeda & the Islamic State in Syria, even now going so far as to provide them with close air support.
ISIS has promised to slaughter & enslave all 300,000 civilians that are surrounded in Deir Ezzor. The USA just killed 100 people that were defending them!
I'm so disgusted by this I wouldn't even know where to begin.
We need to find a way to educate Americans about how their government is supporting terrorism.
The problem is, nobody cares.
In terms of lives thats been lost its a holocaust. Its an industrialized, and systematic eradication of life thats using confusion and terror to turn everyone upon one another, and they use the media with striking effectiveness to cover up what theyre doing. Its like when hitler made mock ups of towns in the concentration camps for the media. Only its the media thats presenting a dialogue that isnt reflective of reality. All the major countries are also doing extensive PR campaigns and flooding the internet with propaganda. Theres entire branchs of governments popping into existence whos only operative is to influence the public and keep them subdued, about the war thats raging, climate change, resource shortages. Its insane.
and it works alarmingly well, especially if the only media you consume is american I just don't see how one would avoid believing the lies
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23668782 - 09/22/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, this base that "coalition forces" just bombed the shit out of happens to be one of the only Eastern Syrian cities not to be overrun by ISIS. In fact, Deir Ezzor was the most successful military outpost holding off ISIS for over a year.
And we, oops, bombed them.
First off, does anyone really think we accidentally bombed a city thats been a Syrian army position for years? Does anyone really think we convinced Denmark and Australia to make the same accident?
I reeeeaaallllyyyyy dont want this to get moved to the conspiracy sub, but I think its pretty clear that the West is aiding and abetting ISIS in order to destabilize Syria (Iran's last ally).
Thoughts?
Well I mean, as long as it's an accident right?
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Patlal] 1
#23670859 - 09/23/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Assad tells AP the bombing was intentional, lasted for over an hour.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23671370 - 09/23/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Assad tells AP the bombing was intentional, lasted for over an hour.
I don't believe either Russia or the USA in any of this stuff, or my own country obviously. Suffice to say shit's fucked and it's fucked because the big wigs profit from the fuckery
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Ezuma]
#23671601 - 09/23/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not taking Assad's word for anything, just figured it was relevant to the thread 
But yeah, seems to me the big wigs stand to profit the most from an Assad-less Syria, and taking out a major ISIS roadblock in the East with the excuse of "oops" reeks of horseshit.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23671834 - 09/23/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obama loves ISIS.....'he stands with the muslims' to use his own words. And this is what benghazi was about, the obama administration was running guns--specifically shoulder held surface to air missles--to the rebels.
That's why the coverup is so huge.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: starfire_xes] 2
#23671845 - 09/23/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Obama loves ISIS.....'he stands with the muslims' to use his own words. And this is what benghazi was about, the obama administration was running guns--specifically shoulder held surface to air missles--to the rebels.
That's why the coverup is so huge.
Honestly wouldnt surprise me. But this isnt happening because of Obama's personal feelings towards Islam. Its happening because those who really have the power want it to be that way.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23671932 - 09/23/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Obama loves ISIS.....'he stands with the muslims' to use his own words. And this is what benghazi was about, the obama administration was running guns--specifically shoulder held surface to air missles--to the rebels.
That's why the coverup is so huge.
Honestly wouldnt surprise me. But this isnt happening because of Obama's personal feelings towards Islam. Its happening because those who really have the power want it to be that way.
wouldn't be the 14th time or anything anyways......
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23671949 - 09/23/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Obama loves ISIS.....'he stands with the muslims' to use his own words. And this is what benghazi was about, the obama administration was running guns--specifically shoulder held surface to air missles--to the rebels.
That's why the coverup is so huge.
Honestly wouldnt surprise me. But this isnt happening because of Obama's personal feelings towards Islam. Its happening because those who really have the power want it to be that way.
we agree on something...is it once, or twice in a row?
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: starfire_xes]
#23671967 - 09/23/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is this where we start discussing the illuminati and the Rothchilds?
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23672321 - 09/23/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh, those crazy redshields
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: ballsalsa]
#23676589 - 09/25/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How is the US MSM talking about all these events in Syria lately?
I love how naked qman is in this thread
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Tipote]
#23676949 - 09/25/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love how naked qman is in this thread 
They arent.
Luckily, a pipe bomb went off in NYC the same day
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