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US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold 4
#23658254 - 09/19/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So, this base that "coalition forces" just bombed the shit out of happens to be one of the only Eastern Syrian cities not to be overrun by ISIS. In fact, Deir Ezzor was the most successful military outpost holding off ISIS for over a year.
And we, oops, bombed them.
First off, does anyone really think we accidentally bombed a city thats been a Syrian army position for years? Does anyone really think we convinced Denmark and Australia to make the same accident?
I reeeeaaallllyyyyy dont want this to get moved to the conspiracy sub, but I think its pretty clear that the West is aiding and abetting ISIS in order to destabilize Syria (Iran's last ally).
Thoughts?
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic] 3
#23659179 - 09/19/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was a desperate move by the Americans to prevent their pet terrorists from suffering a total military defeat.
The US is blatantly supporting Al-Qaeda & the Islamic State in Syria, even now going so far as to provide them with close air support.
ISIS has promised to slaughter & enslave all 300,000 civilians that are surrounded in Deir Ezzor. The USA just killed 100 people that were defending them!
I'm so disgusted by this I wouldn't even know where to begin.
We need to find a way to educate Americans about how their government is supporting terrorism.
The problem is, nobody cares.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: chopstick] 1
#23659248 - 09/19/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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reminds me of bush jr. taking a chopper 16 miles out to the navy carrier. oh, we thought it was a lot farther away than that
the US will do what it wants, when it wants, and if you step up in the way, prepare for a fight, or "accidental" bombing
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: demiu5]
#23659307 - 09/19/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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the US will do what it wants, when it wants, and if you step up in the way, prepare for a fight, or "accidental" bombing
truth it takes a special kind of retard to see their interests abroad as in any way short of evil
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: demiu5] 4
#23659333 - 09/19/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's pretty clear the US was assisting ISIS in the takeover of the area, which ISIS wasn't able to take on its own.
The US is saying it was an accident, but this opens the doors for ISIS to take control of that area.
Now, Russia will likely need to step in to stop ISIS, and the US will accuse Russia of violating a cease fire and try to drum up more anti-Russian sentiment.
I'm sure the mainstream news agencies will remain silent.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#23659341 - 09/19/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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they (mainstream media) probably won't it's depressing how well maintained american global control is, that most people think of them as 'the good guys' and are terrified of Russia and China invading, and fantastical nonsense like that
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23659412 - 09/19/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It's pretty clear the US was assisting ISIS in the takeover of the area, which ISIS wasn't able to take on its own.
The US is saying it was an accident, but this opens the doors for ISIS to take control of that area.
Now, Russia will likely need to step in to stop ISIS, and the US will accuse Russia of violating a cease fire and try to drum up more anti-Russian sentiment.
I'm sure the mainstream news agencies will remain silent.
I think if someone is going to theorize on a possible scenario, it's important to include the motivations behind that speculation.
People including myself might not like US operations the Middle East, but the US doesn't do things without a reason even if they are misguided reasons.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Ezuma]
#23659416 - 09/19/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: they (mainstream media) probably won't it's depressing how well maintained american global control is, that most people think of them as 'the good guys' and are terrified of Russia and China invading, and fantastical nonsense like that
If the actions are for US interests and they benefit US citizens, then they are "the good guys".
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 1
#23659460 - 09/19/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It's pretty clear the US was assisting ISIS in the takeover of the area, which ISIS wasn't able to take on its own.
The US is saying it was an accident, but this opens the doors for ISIS to take control of that area.
Now, Russia will likely need to step in to stop ISIS, and the US will accuse Russia of violating a cease fire and try to drum up more anti-Russian sentiment.
I'm sure the mainstream news agencies will remain silent.
I think if someone is going to theorize on a possible scenario, it's important to include the motivations behind that speculation.
People including myself might not like US operations the Middle East, but the US doesn't do things without a reason even if they are misguided reasons.
The reasons to support (either directly or indirectly) ISIS are clear.
We got to put heat on an Iraqi PM who was getting too close to Iran, we get to potentially overthrow Iran's last regional ally, we get to spread a bunch of disgruntled Arabs abroad and strip away civil liberties when they inevitably lash out, we get to enrich the "defense" complex, we get to distract from important things like oil spills, prison strikes, and corruption, thats just off the top of my head.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23659485 - 09/19/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ask yourself this:
Given the cluster-fuck imbroglio over there in Syria, and given the history of grotesque U.S. geopolitical activity, do you really think the U.S. government is doing the right thing?
Would it not be more appropriate to ask the question: "What are we doing over there that isn't detestable?"
I'm sure those assholes are doing everything they can get away with. Press exposure isn't a threat.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23659488 - 09/19/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It's pretty clear the US was assisting ISIS in the takeover of the area, which ISIS wasn't able to take on its own.
The US is saying it was an accident, but this opens the doors for ISIS to take control of that area.
Now, Russia will likely need to step in to stop ISIS, and the US will accuse Russia of violating a cease fire and try to drum up more anti-Russian sentiment.
I'm sure the mainstream news agencies will remain silent.
I think if someone is going to theorize on a possible scenario, it's important to include the motivations behind that speculation.
People including myself might not like US operations the Middle East, but the US doesn't do things without a reason even if they are misguided reasons.
The reasons to support (either directly or indirectly) ISIS are clear.
We got to put heat on an Iraqi PM who was getting too close to Iran, we get to potentially overthrow Iran's last regional ally, we get to spread a bunch of disgruntled Arabs abroad and strip away civil liberties when they inevitably lash out, we get to enrich the "defense" complex, we get to distract from important things like oil spills, prison strikes, and corruption, thats just off the top of my head.
That's nothing more than an emotional response based on wild speculations, it's always about representing big money and their interests, none of your theories addresses that reality.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 1
#23659501 - 09/19/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: I think if someone is going to theorize on a possible scenario, it's important to include the motivations behind that speculation.
People including myself might not like US operations the Middle East, but the US doesn't do things without a reason even if they are misguided reasons.
It's for control of oil in the middle east. There are a ton of sources that back this up. Here's a good one:
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...memo from the Secretary of Defense’s office. It says we’re going to attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years – we’re going to start with Iraq, and then we’re going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.”
Clark said the aim of this plot was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq — before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#23659531 - 09/19/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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qman said: I think if someone is going to theorize on a possible scenario, it's important to include the motivations behind that speculation.
People including myself might not like US operations the Middle East, but the US doesn't do things without a reason even if they are misguided reasons.
It's for control of oil in the middle east. There are a ton of sources that back this up. Here's a good one:
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...memo from the Secretary of Defense’s office. It says we’re going to attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years – we’re going to start with Iraq, and then we’re going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.”
Clark said the aim of this plot was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq — before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”
That's better, it's at least a "rational" reason for US actions in the region.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 1
#23660304 - 09/19/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: they (mainstream media) probably won't it's depressing how well maintained american global control is, that most people think of them as 'the good guys' and are terrified of Russia and China invading, and fantastical nonsense like that
If the actions are for US interests and they benefit US citizens, then they are "the good guys".
see I knew deep down you were a thug all along
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 1
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qman said:
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Ezuma said: they (mainstream media) probably won't it's depressing how well maintained american global control is, that most people think of them as 'the good guys' and are terrified of Russia and China invading, and fantastical nonsense like that
If the actions are for US interests and they benefit US citizens, then they are "the good guys".
this is called the bandwagon fallacy. also, Obama's policies has landed some net benefit for some of US citizens...so what do you say to that? good guy?
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 1
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qman said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It's pretty clear the US was assisting ISIS in the takeover of the area, which ISIS wasn't able to take on its own.
The US is saying it was an accident, but this opens the doors for ISIS to take control of that area.
Now, Russia will likely need to step in to stop ISIS, and the US will accuse Russia of violating a cease fire and try to drum up more anti-Russian sentiment.
I'm sure the mainstream news agencies will remain silent.
I think if someone is going to theorize on a possible scenario, it's important to include the motivations behind that speculation.
People including myself might not like US operations the Middle East, but the US doesn't do things without a reason even if they are misguided reasons.
The reasons to support (either directly or indirectly) ISIS are clear.
We got to put heat on an Iraqi PM who was getting too close to Iran, we get to potentially overthrow Iran's last regional ally, we get to spread a bunch of disgruntled Arabs abroad and strip away civil liberties when they inevitably lash out, we get to enrich the "defense" complex, we get to distract from important things like oil spills, prison strikes, and corruption, thats just off the top of my head.
That's nothing more than an emotional response based on wild speculations, it's always about representing big money and their interests, none of your theories addresses that reality.
Yes they fucking do. And its about power just as much as money.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said:
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qman said:
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Ezuma said: they (mainstream media) probably won't it's depressing how well maintained american global control is, that most people think of them as 'the good guys' and are terrified of Russia and China invading, and fantastical nonsense like that
If the actions are for US interests and they benefit US citizens, then they are "the good guys".
see I knew deep down you were a thug all along
If you want the majority of US citizens to get outraged for their government conducting military operations that directly benefit their economic well-being, you're delusional.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: akira_akuma]
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qman said:
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Ezuma said: they (mainstream media) probably won't it's depressing how well maintained american global control is, that most people think of them as 'the good guys' and are terrified of Russia and China invading, and fantastical nonsense like that
If the actions are for US interests and they benefit US citizens, then they are "the good guys".
this is called the bandwagon fallacy. also, Obama's policies has landed some net benefit for some of US citizens...so what do you say to that? good guy?
"has landed some net benefit for some US citizens"
Really, what benefit for who?
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It's pretty clear the US was assisting ISIS in the takeover of the area, which ISIS wasn't able to take on its own.
The US is saying it was an accident, but this opens the doors for ISIS to take control of that area.
Now, Russia will likely need to step in to stop ISIS, and the US will accuse Russia of violating a cease fire and try to drum up more anti-Russian sentiment.
I'm sure the mainstream news agencies will remain silent.
I think if someone is going to theorize on a possible scenario, it's important to include the motivations behind that speculation.
People including myself might not like US operations the Middle East, but the US doesn't do things without a reason even if they are misguided reasons.
The reasons to support (either directly or indirectly) ISIS are clear.
We got to put heat on an Iraqi PM who was getting too close to Iran, we get to potentially overthrow Iran's last regional ally, we get to spread a bunch of disgruntled Arabs abroad and strip away civil liberties when they inevitably lash out, we get to enrich the "defense" complex, we get to distract from important things like oil spills, prison strikes, and corruption, thats just off the top of my head.
That's nothing more than an emotional response based on wild speculations, it's always about representing big money and their interests, none of your theories addresses that reality.
Yes they fucking do. And its about power just as much as money.
There's a million ways "to distract from important things" that don't involved military operations 5000 miles away from the homeland.
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Re: US, Australia, Denmark Coordinate "Accidental" Bombing of Syrian Military Stringhold [Re: qman] 1
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qman said: If you want the majority of US citizens to get outraged for their government conducting military operations that directly benefit their economic well-being, you're delusional.
you keep putting your authoritarian foot in your mouth, don't you.
it's economic well-being to take from anyone, so does that mean we should just do that? just cause?
there's this thing called morals, and ethics. you're just back-trailing to the hypocritical methods used by your very own sworn enemies, Hilary, and Obama. nice complete backtrack on what you espouse as your so-called "values".
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