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How much room do these little fellas need?
    #23658068 - 09/19/16 08:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23658108 - 09/19/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just adjust as they grow, don't spread them out too early or youll ruin the microclimate in there.
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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23658115 - 09/19/16 08:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also, it looks like those little dudes are being severely over misted.  Staaaahp.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23658204 - 09/19/16 09:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I appreciate it mates. It's my first grow, I am sure I am showing them too much attention. As of current I am misting and fanning 5-6 times a day. I am also probably doing a no no, but once I get done fanning I am using a humidifier to get the humidity back to 85% then disconnecting.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23658252 - 09/19/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't bother with the humidifier, just mist and fan when they need it that's all, if you can't see any moisture mist them.
Are they in a sgfc?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23658431 - 09/19/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, it looks like those little dudes are being severely over misted.  Staaaahp.



Idk they look like they were just misted recently from drying out so bad they bruised lol. They either bruised during drying out, or from the rehydration. I'd say that it should look exactly like that when you mist (glistening with moisture and no pooling water), and don't let them dry out so much lol.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23658580 - 09/19/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with the dryness part, probably a heavy mist in an attempt to rehydrate them then?

I've always been one to bottom water dry cakes, because the heavy mist can be more damaging to the surface.  Plus it only really hydrates the surface, but no reservoir of water to tap into to grow those pins out. 

They are mostly pinning at the bottom portion of the cakes.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23658997 - 09/19/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Actually they just dried out a little early in the SGFC, only blued a tiny bit before I caught it. Haha, enjoyed your theory though, entertaining. How fo you bottom water?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659005 - 09/19/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah dude cakes that blue dried out much more than a little bit, which means you need to be misting more frequently.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23659011 - 09/19/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And bottom watering just means....

Watering.  From... The bottom.

Actually... I think you'll figure it out.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23659085 - 09/19/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think bottom watering is an option now, I have dozens of large pins forming on the bottom pushing their way to the light. They are about to flip the cakes, the growth on these in the past few hours is awesome.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659089 - 09/19/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You could always flip those cakes yourself if they are bottom pinning.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23659145 - 09/19/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I read that it would abort the pins because I changed the climate. I was going to do that


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659168 - 09/19/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd let it finish this flush they're nearly done. The next flush might be better my second flushes seem to have more consistent pinning all over
This was a second flush the first flush had bare spots second was thick with fruits


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659175 - 09/19/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

honestly for a first grow you got some decent pins going!

document everything you do or change so you can learn.
also the hydrometer in the chamber isnt really nessecary...

...wonder if there is a FAE meter:rolleyes:

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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mushboy]
    #23659226 - 09/19/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My SFGC isn't working as good as it should as I am keeping them concealed in a closet. I just have too many people in my place and I don't trust dick. I resarched it a bit before hand  and read it was possible in a closet but the flush would be effected. On top of that the only perlite I could manage to obtain was some miracle grow bs that is small pellet and doesn't allow the proper air flow through it. So the odds are stacked against me, that's why I compensated with humidifier for a few minutes in between fanning and misting.
    Next time I will be going with monotub, but I have 5 more BRF cakes that just became 100% colonized today. These cakes seem to take a little a attention but it's fun experimenting and watching how things work. I have been journaling every single interaction I have with the SGFC. By the way this is an easy strain, the Amazonian, I tried GT's but I didn't receive a viable sample. Better luck next time eh? I appreciate all your input, it eases the mind.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mushboy]
    #23659232 - 09/19/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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honestly for a first grow you got some decent pins going!

document everything you do or change so you can learn.
also the hydrometer in the chamber isnt really nessecary...

...wonder if there is a FAE meter:rolleyes:

damn mazda. thats a sweet cake.



They all pretty much did that on the second flush, the first flushes had a lot less and some dodgy mutants


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23659259 - 09/19/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sweet Mazda, what's the strain on that?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659273 - 09/19/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Golden teacher, I was worried that it was a shitty syringe but the second and third flushes really shut me up lol.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23659319 - 09/19/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I was upset my sample wasn't viable and had to wait so long to receive it. I will give it a shot with a more reputable vendor.
    As a young kid I was very lucky and had shroom fields surrounding my house with permission to hunt. Those were the days, I had pillow cases full. They were great for trade and barter, always kept my pockets fat. Now everything is parkinglots and shopping malls, and douchebags with no trespassing signs. I'm amazed at how sterile I have to be while working when these things flourished in the wild so abundantly.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659439 - 09/19/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I read that it would abort the pins because I changed the climate. I was going to do that





Don't know where you heard that, but it simply is not true.  People grow in open air too, and that is changing the climate.  But beyond that...

Your pins #1 concern at this point is water and fresh air.  Give it to them, as well as moderate humidity and lots of FAE, it'll be just fine.    Flipped or unflipped.  But if there are bottom pins, flipping will give it fresh air, which is going to give you more mushrooms. 

Done it a lot of times with cakes.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23659455 - 09/19/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks mate, at my next scheduled fanning in two hours I will flip the little fellas over. I bet I have 50-60 pins on the bottom and they seem to be headed towards the perlite.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659470 - 09/19/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dude if you have 50-60 pins on the bottoms, flipping is gonna give you fucking amazing flushes. 


Now I''m 500% sure.  Flip those fuckers nao.

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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23659733 - 09/19/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Flipping those fuckers now!


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659753 - 09/19/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thinking about making some shallow aluminum dishes out of foil and bottom watering, will that work? I figure this many fat ass pins will need a decent water supply. Headed to work in about an hour, I hVe to work about six hours. I figure those pins will have grown drastically by then.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659779 - 09/19/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you decide to bottom water, make sure the substrate isn't already saturated. If it's heavy, it's got water in it already.  If not, just set on a saucer of water for an hour, two if it needs it, then back to regular conditions of misting/fanning only when necessary. When the glistening of the fine mist evaps, mist/fan again.  Just don't overdo it.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23659835 - 09/19/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can't wait to show you mates the first flush of my first grow. These things are almost growing right in front of my eyes, that shits amazing! Think I found myself a new hobby. I don't have room in the SGFC for those other 5 cakes. How long can I put off birthing these little fellas before it damages them?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659859 - 09/19/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A week or two after full colonization.  If you dont get it out before then, it might start to pin in the jar. 

Other options: You can build another SGFC, or if you absolutely need to get them in an FC and have no room, you can stack 'em.  Put a little layer of wet vermiculite in between and knock yourself out.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23659940 - 09/19/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I flipped the cakes and have been counting pins, I stopped at 200. Is this a normal expectation I should have, or should I expect a lot of aborts? I don't figure home made brown rice flour can  nourish that many?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23659982 - 09/19/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would expect a lot of aborts with that many pins.....I had one put off about 40 fruits and no aborts but damn 200...you'd think that would be too many for a cake to support....but not sure...


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    #23661173 - 09/20/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I would expect a lot of aborts with that many pins.....I had one put off about 40 fruits and no aborts but damn 200...you'd think that would be too many for a cake to support....but not sure...



I wouldn't necessarily mine had shit tonnes of pins and well you can see your self on the first page of this thread I had a cake full of fruits couldnt see the cake


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23661258 - 09/20/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23661269 - 09/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nice cake dude



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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23661675 - 09/20/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is how much they have grown since yesterday. The first caps have started to open. When is the best time to harvest them? I want to make a few prints from this flush though.


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    #23661694 - 09/20/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also I just noticed the bruising, the fruits have severely dries
D the cake out. Should I bottom water it immediately?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661716 - 09/20/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes bottom water it, pick just as the veil is about to tear or just after doesn't make that much difference


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23661724 - 09/20/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just put it in a plastic lid with about a quarter of an inch of water.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661735 - 09/20/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm on my first grow too, the first flush sucked, but the second is coming on really nice, I'll flip my cakes over right now haha, they're pinning from the bottom too.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: spongegar]
    #23661743 - 09/20/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome mate, just be sure to keep the little fellas hydrated


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661762 - 09/20/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quick question I should have asked before, how long do I bottom water? Do I judge it by the weight of the cake as to how much water it has absorbed?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661765 - 09/20/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Will and am. It's weird, because I've read before that flipping them isn't recommended. Your results look really good, mine should do as good too.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661769 - 09/20/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And is it okay to bottom water if there are pins around the bottom edge of the cakes, the other cakes have tons of pins and are going to need it?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661776 - 09/20/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have read you can drill a hole in the cake and place a straw in it filled with water, have you heard of this?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23661777 - 09/20/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't bother with the humidifier, just mist and fan when they need it that's all, if you can't see any moisture mist them.





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How many inches of perlite is in your SGFC? A well constructed camber only needs tending tops 3 times in a 24 hour period. IME
Also I have had growth luck with injecting water into cakes once a day until water starts to come out of the cake. Oh yea of course a little bit of indirect sunshine is always a plus.

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Just adjust as they grow, don't spread them out too early or you'll ruin the microclimate in there.
Also kudos on the foil folding, never seen foil so neat




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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Gdivski]
    #23661780 - 09/20/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yep just water let it suck it up. Don't drill it under any circumstances


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Gdivski]
    #23661787 - 09/20/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have a new 18 ga. Syringe will that work injecting water? I have 4.5 inches of perlite in the chamber.


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661793 - 09/20/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Bottom watering is fine I wouldn't want to potentially inject contams deep in my cake but I have seen others do it with success


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23661802 - 09/20/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Better safe than sorry, thanks. Bottom watering it is. What about if it submerges a few pins for a little while?


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23661821 - 09/20/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't want to potentially inject contams deep in my cake but I have seen others do it with success




I have always been under the educated guess that once a substrate is colonized the chance of contamination become minute. Once again that's IME.


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I have a new 18 ga. Syringe will that work injecting water? I have 4.5 inches of perlite in the chamber.




Sounds good and good.

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    #23661981 - 09/20/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the advice and sharing your knowledge mate!


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Cagney]
    #23662038 - 09/20/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A couple hours or so


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Re: How much room do these little fellas need? [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23662701 - 09/20/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For a pin set like those, you can bottom water until that cake is pretty saturated, 2-3 hours, then mist schedule, and if necessary bottom water again. 

And I also have seen injections to cakes done well before also, but only a few Ccs at a time and only if there is a dire need to hydrate the cake quickly.  Otherwise, bottom watering is just fine. 

Those pin sets are looking pretty decent, glad you flipped them.  Don't know why people are afraid to sometimes.


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