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How do I approach these little guys? (Pic)
    #23657881 - 09/19/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, these have been like this for two or three days and i noticed a few turned purple and broke off and started dropping spores, so think they will just stay this size until they all die, but, should i let them keep going or just scrape them all off with a knife or something or?????
Originally, they were dried out and stalled in the jars until i decided to just dunk them anyway and, sure enough, miracles were had and life was born from my emergency operation, but it still leaves me knowing they were deficient to begin with

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Marley Sheen]
    #23657925 - 09/19/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes you are correct. You have a water deficiency and the cake is too dry. So for the aborts, you can cut them off if you wish. Some people even keep them to eat.

This is just my opinion, but Im not a big fan of PF cake just for the fact they can be high maintenence. Have you ever looked into monotubs? I had a hybrid mono-sgfc a few years back that worked wonders.

I used two smaller rubber made container lined with black plastic to prevent side pinning. They were set inside of a large clear storage container that had a sealed top and a set of holes on each side at different levels, polyfill was inserted in those holes. Then the whole sgfc was set on a towel that had a seedling heater under it that was temp controlled to prevent heat build up in the chamber. This allowed the water in the perlite to evaporate and the natural convection of the air movements going from warm to cold created good FAE with optimal humidity.

I would have these containers in a rotation to where after they were done flushing a new one would replace one of the old ones. It was almost set and forget. I only had to replenish the water in the perlite here and there.

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: katbusa]
    #23657944 - 09/19/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bottom water immediately, and why is it sat on perlite? And has perlite on the cake. Sit it on some foil or a little lid sit it in a bit of water get the perlite off it, and it may recover well, but time is a factor the sooner the better
And to the above poster what has any of that got to do with his cakes? Your opinion on Pf is useless to this guy and you gave no decent advice on very obvious issues.


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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: katbusa]
    #23657950 - 09/19/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That sounds like an awesome set up.
I've just recently come into a situation where i am able to freely grow what i want with no restrictions on cost, time or anything else that was keeping me to a lower closet type operation before. I want to build the ultimate terrarium, a set it and forget it type of thing where i can just walk through a garden of species once a day and thats it, i can let them be free to grow as they want, because this is America after all.
I have been using a sloppy, drunken version of the Paul Stamets book The Mushroom Cultivator, which took me forever to find digitally to compliment the actual physical book that i probably cracked open two times since i stole it from the St. Agnes library ten years ago.
Thank you so much for your response. I will definitely bee looking a little more into the setup you described here.

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23657954 - 09/19/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is the terminology "bottom water"? I dont know what that means exactly :confused:
I rolled it in perlite instead of verm after dunking it because i figured, same thing. Still retains the water. Its in perlite because of the moisture retention, i suppose. Its a super simple setup, just cakes inside a clear plastic container from rubber maid with a latch lid. It's a temp setup until i figure out how to build the ultimate terrarium.
What i am getting here is, to soak the bottom of it in water on some foil, right?

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Marley Sheen]
    #23657960 - 09/19/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not sure if this makes a difference, but these are actually upside down. At first i thought nothing was happening until one day i accidentally knocked one over and saw this on the bottom of it. I flipped over all the cakes in with it and they were all doing the same thing, which i've actually never had happen before and thought it odd.

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Marley Sheen]
    #23657999 - 09/19/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What is the terminology "bottom water"? I dont know what that means exactly :confused:
I rolled it in perlite instead of verm after dunking it because i figured, same thing. Still retains the water. Its in perlite because of the moisture retention, i suppose. Its a super simple setup, just cakes inside a clear plastic container from rubber maid with a latch lid. It's a temp setup until i figure out how to build the ultimate terrarium.
What i am getting here is, to soak the bottom of it in water on some foil, right?




Perlite and vermiculite are not even remotely the same.  Vermiculite absorbs water and holds it.  Perlite is a volcanic glass and doesn't actually absorb anything, nor can it be colonized.  Rolling a cake in perlite is a great way to get mushrooms with perlite in the bases of them.  Once you bite into one and get a taste of that buncha cruncha, you might consider using the correct materials for the job.

I can save you  time on the ultimate terrarium though.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542

If you think perlite and vermiculite are the same you could be spending a lot of time coming up with a working fruiting chamber on your own.

To answer the question, bottom watering entails placing a cake in a saucer of water so that it soaks the water up from the bottom.


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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23658019 - 09/19/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damn I can only imagine biting into a chunk of perilite....I'd be pissed off and the taste is probably horrible

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Leftfield420]
    #23658028 - 09/19/16 07:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There is no taste.  Well, unless you count the taste of blood.  Might just break like a pebble if you're lucky but there's always the chance you could be embedding little tiny glass shards in your gums.

God forbid you're using that miracle gro perlite with the fertilizer in it, that shit would have a taste..  Would probably burn the cake with the nutes too.

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23658034 - 09/19/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Had experience with that fertiIized bullshit.  Get it too close to your cakes, and the cakes will reach out and grab it, and start attempting to absorb it into the cake. 

Prepare for contamination if that happens.


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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23658035 - 09/19/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I hate the taste of blood....

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23658038 - 09/19/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Had experience with that fertiIized bullshit.  Get it too close to your cakes, and the cakes will reach out and grab it, and start attempting to absorb it into the cake. 

Prepare for contamination if that happens.




To elaborate, they're mostly wasting energy doing that, and it doesn't even have to be the fertilized kind to cause that reaction.  Apply your verm layer a little too messy and get some in the perlite and that's enough for it to run wild through there if you don't have a sufficient piece of foil or jar lid as a barrier.  Mycelium will TRY to eat anything, but with perlite it's by and large wasting its time and energy.


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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Inocuole]
    #23658040 - 09/19/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh shit, maybe i should look further into the materials rather than assuming. Thanks for letting me know. Its organic perlite from a company named Espoma. Big thanks on the terrarium link too. Thank you guys so much, i will come back and report on the life support system suggested soon:thumbup:

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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Marley Sheen]
    #23658092 - 09/19/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought it had fell over and got perlite on it lol no don't roll it in perlite verm only


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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23658098 - 09/19/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. And make that sgfc asap. Your holeless chamber is making for some sad fruits


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Re: How do I approach these little guys? (Pic) [Re: Marley Sheen]
    #23661323 - 09/20/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, this seemed to be the thing that was needed to rejuvenate and bring life back into my buddies. Major props for saving their lives, all of you. The one next to it is actually a half a cake that never fully colonized and i just broke the uncolonized part off and dunked it anyway. It worked and i am impressed by the raw survival power these guys posses. Thank you guys so much, and i will keep you updated on this patch up operation as it unfolds. Also, I got all the equipment for that bad ass shotgun fruit chamber and am super excited about it like a little kid lol

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