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Possible new beneficial substrate?
#23655730 - 09/18/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I went to TSC today to get me some whole oats, and I stumbled upon this. The first set of ingredients seem very beneficial for a bulk substrate. Some of them questions as far as being beneficial or not (open for interpretation?), and then the only thing that has me actually worried is the last ingredient which is the preservative. My thought is you could prepare this same block like you would with coir. Either replace this with coir in CVG, or do a 50/50 of this and coir and add in your Verm and gypsum. What do you guys think? Possibly beneficial, or completely detrimental?

These things sit out all hunting season long and don't gather mold. Maybe that's because of all the sodium...or it may be the preservative. I know people have reported putting salt on their bulk subs in attempt to battle contams and it worked for the most part. Not necessarily beat it, but stalls it. But then again, it was applied after the contam showed itself and not during the prep.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: just_curious]
#23655748 - 09/18/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You would have to pc that see all the seeds and grains? I dont see why it wouldnt work but idk if id chance it you could pc it ans try in a small tray with a qt
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655768 - 09/18/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well at first I was thinking of using it as jars. Then for some reason I changed my mind and thought of sub. I think for jars it would be good. You could do it like PF or like grains I think. Obviously you would want to do it more like PF considering it would turn into a powder, but I would probably spawn to bulk. The preservative and all the sodium is what has me worried.
I bet you could actually do it like PF style, crumble, and fruit straight...maybe some Verm. But it appears like it have good nutrients.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: just_curious]
#23655790 - 09/18/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe? I dont think the salt content would matter it may dry it out faster tho but afyer mixing and pcing it should bring it down a bit
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655795 - 09/18/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Maybe? I dont think the salt content would matter it may dry it out faster tho but afyer mixing and pcing it should bring it down a bit
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Inocuole]
#23655798 - 09/18/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha no the salt content or no the whole thing
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655814 - 09/18/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you saying that the salt content is a detrimental thing?
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: just_curious]
#23655829 - 09/18/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Uh... it's salt. You know.. the thing people do to the earth to stop it from growing anything?
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: just_curious]
#23655835 - 09/18/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Salt or not, there is no way that product could be used safely in open air as a bulk sub.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Inocuole]
#23655838 - 09/18/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well there is sodium in water and i meant the sodium content more the salt haha but ya noc is right i forgot about that because i got salt pellets to kill the crab grass growing in my yard
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655840 - 09/18/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's sodium in water? Which water?
Does it not bind to the Cl pretty easily?
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Inocuole]
#23655856 - 09/18/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whats CI? and im sure you know there is sodium in water i think reverse osmosis water doesnt but that shit is dead water
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655862 - 09/18/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You know.. Chlorine. Just wondering how easy it would be for the sodium and chlorine in the water to form NaCl.
The measurement of sodium on a package usually references the amount of salt, since free sodium is a little... reactive by itself.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655868 - 09/18/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sodium is in water if you have a water softener. i tried to grow in a house that had one installed. the results were so terrible i gave up until i moved. even a tiny amount of salt will fuck up the mush.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: mushboy]
#23655875 - 09/18/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, NaCl is what's in your water. Pure sodium is unstable.
When you look at the back of a label of a drink, and it says sodium, it's doesn't mean the alkali metal sodium. It means NaCl. They neglect to mention the chlorine, because who the fuck needs Cl in their daily nutrients.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655880 - 09/18/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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well according to the ingredients list, it only contains 3.5 to 4.3%. That's if your including both salt and sodium. We're there any other alarming ingredients to you guys?
I'm not doubting you Blindingleaf, but what makes you say there is no way that could be used in open air as a sub. I'm assuming the grains. I definitely thought that after I posted it. But what are your thoughts about it using in jars? Possible?
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Inocuole]
#23655882 - 09/18/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh i didnt do good in chemistry actually everything besides recess and lunch i didnt do good at haha ... i know the amount of sodium in water doesnt compare to actually adding salt i was just thought by watering something down with higher sodium content it would affect the amount in it
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655891 - 09/18/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It will dilute it, but you're not actually getting that salt out. It's still in there. It doesn't just evaporate away or get filtered out somehow.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655903 - 09/18/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm extremely skeptical.... but part of my love for this is finding weird ways to grow them and weird things to grow them on.
If you are just doing it for fun to see then go for it! Try a small scale project and let us know! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: funton]
#23655911 - 09/18/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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funton said: I'm extremely skeptical.... but part of my love for this is finding weird ways to grow them and weird things to grow them on.
If you are just doing it for fun to see then go for it! Try a small scale project and let us know! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Inocuole]
#23655961 - 09/18/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just crumble some multivitamins and put a scoop of whey protein in your substrate
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655967 - 09/18/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: actually everything besides recess and lunch i didnt do good at haha ...
Haha you had recess in high school 
On topic though, the consistency of your proposed sub or spawn or whatever (a brick, basically) would make it hard to be useful unless you ground it up and mixed it with verm. It doesn't look like it would hold moisture very well by itself.
Then there is all the salt of course, plus I imagine there is also a binding agent as well. In fact, looking at the ingredients, there are a lot of ingredients I couldn't readily identify that might have a negative impact on your shrooms. Besides all this, you never mentioned how much it costs anyway.
In my opinion the answer is no. It's not something I would attempt to use or substitute with readily-available and proven substrate.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Inocuole]
#23655972 - 09/18/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: You know.. Chlorine. Just wondering how easy it would be for the sodium and chlorine in the water to form NaCl.
The measurement of sodium on a package usually references the amount of salt, since free sodium is a little... reactive by itself.
Lol just a little, that and Lithium hydride my two favourite things to throw in a bowl of water from a good distance lol
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23655981 - 09/18/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya when i skipped class to smoke some un illegal stuff
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: Boogieman47]
#23655986 - 09/18/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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noob47 said: Ya when i skipped class to smoke some un illegal stuff
Never mind school I still do it now lol but I am a kidult I love making things go boom in my garden
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23656067 - 09/18/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reason that block can sit out and not mold (salt content aside) is that it's dry as hell. It's a dry block. Soon as you hydrate that all them seeds and grains are gonna be mold buffet.
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Re: Possible new beneficial substrate? [Re: blindingleaf]
#23656943 - 09/18/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: The reason that block can sit out and not mold (salt content aside) is that it's dry as hell. It's a dry block. Soon as you hydrate that all them seeds and grains are gonna be mold buffet.
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blindingleaf said: Salt or not, there is no way that product could be used safely in open air as a bulk sub.

There is no way
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